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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    Sexier.
    So a $1.6Billion porn star is what you want?

    IanO, do you even take transit?

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    You're still talking about the K Days 1972 parade. cough. hrumpphh.

    Don't underestimate the appeal, we'd never feel like we were wasting time. Although it would make for some nervous moments if I'm with the wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Hey, 35 minutes with a porn star? Wow!
    Now I don't feel like I'm weird. how is that a bad thing? Purr.
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    Twice a day, 5 days a week. Can you keep up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
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    Not a feeder Meds, but a transportation option/replacement for many. Buses work well in many cases, but along key linkages, LRT is a more desirable option. A lot of people will not take 'the bus' for a variety of reasons, but the same will take LRT.
    not if the lrt is as slow as a bus...
    You keep saying itís as slow as a bus and I keep showing you the facts that itís 30% faster.

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    The Valley Line LRT will be a very positive step forward when we look back.

    Again, this is about providing people a non-automobile option to get around.
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    Ok, everyone, take a breath. For those of you who love buses, think of it as a double driver-ended express electric trolley bus that happens to run on rails. For those of you who love trains, its a low-floor LRT train that is a bit speed limited to run with traffic and have more community stops. At this point, it is what it is, and it is not going to change. Let's see how it turns out

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    You forgot the 10 times the cost difference

    Elephant in the room ignorance. ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    You forgot the 10 times the cost difference

    Elephant in the room ignorance. ..
    I dont' know if 10 times the difference is accurate. The stations would still need to built, and you either need a long double ended train like the Chinese trackless trains, or you end up paying more for drivers for a bunch of single articulated buses. I've talked to the drivers, and getting single articulated buses to make are corners are about as much as you can do with our roads. Turning a bi-articulated bus all the way around would be too difficult in most of the city. You still need community stations, you still need the same grade separation. The main difference is in the track.

    Regardless of what the additional costs of going low floor LRT versus BRT for the Millwoods line, its is already fait acompli. If I were a BRT advocate, I'd put my energies in changing things far enough away in time that bureaucratic inertia hasn't set in too much for the plans to change. For example, if you could get a successful BRT built to St. Albert over the rail-yards Yellowhead transit overpass before its set in stone as an LRT, you may have hope to alter future plans for Windermere or other sectors of the city. The southeast and west Valley line are already gone; no use crying over spilled milk.

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    Where's a the grasssroots BRT campaign?
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    It's not spilt milk. It was a conspiracy to fraudulently destroy a 127km network, not a line but an important network of trolleys. Typical trolley lines can be built for $10M/km compared to $138M/km for the valley line. At 127 km it was a billion dollar waste and another $1.8B to build a single line 1/10th the length.

    Get that through your head.
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    Blame GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Where's a the grasssroots BRT campaign?
    That has been discussed extensively on another thread. In a nutshell, when stakeholders and transit users wanted an economical and efficient express bus/BRT system and general transit improvements. The Transportation Department and ETS opposed the concept and in order to make it unpalatable to City Council, stakeholders and transit users, proposed an expensive high end BRT system with million dollar buses and route upgrades that made it as expensive as LRT. They gave no real information to City Council and withheld critically helpful guides that kept Council uninformed. That effectively killed BRT because even BRT advocates found the administration's proposal completely unpalatable.

    That paved the way to using knowingly inferior diesel hybrid buses to challenge the obsolete GM electric trolleys rather than modern electric handicapped accessible trolleys. The moment after Council was fraudulently hoodwinked into supporting diesel hybrids, the entire 127km of trolley wires was taken down at lightening speed. When diesel hybrids failed miserably, (has anyone seen any of the 6 buses they bought lately?) the TD and ETS proposed the uber expensive and slow streetcars.

    That is how we all got suckered and drawn away from BRT or even electric mega trolleys.
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    Ya we were all suckered. Meanwhile you talk like there was some mass conspiracy that only you understand, might as well change your name to Q.

    This is absurd.

    I feel like this line is so close to be done and you donít approve so wile the majority of the city is looking forward to it all you can offer is sour grapes. Itís been this way for 10 years.

    Itís beyond getting old...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Ok, everyone, take a breath. For those of you who love buses, think of it as a double driver-ended express electric trolley bus that happens to run on rails. For those of you who love trains, its a low-floor LRT train that is a bit speed limited to run with traffic and have more community stops. At this point, it is what it is, and it is not going to change. Let's see how it turns out
    x 100.

    Now, how about that construction? Exciting to see things moving along so nicely. I'm guessing they shut down construction on Connor Road during Folk Fest, correct?
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    Whats quickly getting old is post like this one ^^

    who removed your ban? I thought it was permanent

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    Also looks like construction at Davies Station is coming along nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Whats quickly getting old is post like this one ^^

    who removed your ban? I thought it was permanent
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    Davies Station is flying. So cool to see.
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    Would like to see the bridge being worked on
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    I've mentioned it before on this thread, but as someone who was really against this LRT line due to the perception of it being nothing more than a "tram", I've got to say that I'm eating my words already.

    Actually driving the line and seeing how they elevated smartly such that it goes into the air such that 75th isnt impacted, drops back below just after Argyll such that the roadway there isn't impacted, stays on the hillside of conners road such that the roadway isn't impacted, then climbs just south of 98th ave and onto the bridge such that 98th ave traffic coming into DT isnt impacted, and then lastly tunnels under Jasper and comes out on 102nd.

    The stretches that are at-grade also make perfect sense in residential neighborhoods like bonnie doon and Hollyrood, the train will feel much friendlier then the high floor does on 111th.

    I was also worried about DT and the 100st crossing, but it looks like the current 102nd ave shut down isn't causing much traffic headaches even at peak conditions.

    To be fully transparent I'm much more concerned about the West Leg because I feel like it WILL be cutting across some major roadways at grade (104th Ave, Stony, etc).

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    my only concern with the southern portion of this line is the whyte avenue crossing, I'm more concerned about the west myself too... Crossing 109th street, and the 147-156 street section.

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    When I see the elevated sections from Davies to Argyle, I cannot imagine what the city was smoking when the Nait line was designed. Such an improvement and yet we STILL insist on staying at ground level. So backward in thinking and design...
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    Quote Originally Posted by millwoods View Post
    I've mentioned it before on this thread, but as someone who was really against this LRT line due to the perception of it being nothing more than a "tram", I've got to say that I'm eating my words already.

    Actually driving the line and seeing how they elevated smartly such that it goes into the air such that 75th isnt impacted, drops back below just after Argyll such that the roadway there isn't impacted, stays on the hillside of conners road such that the roadway isn't impacted, then climbs just south of 98th ave and onto the bridge such that 98th ave traffic coming into DT isnt impacted, and then lastly tunnels under Jasper and comes out on 102nd.

    The stretches that are at-grade also make perfect sense in residential neighborhoods like bonnie doon and Hollyrood, the train will feel much friendlier then the high floor does on 111th.

    I was also worried about DT and the 100st crossing, but it looks like the current 102nd ave shut down isn't causing much traffic headaches even at peak conditions.

    To be fully transparent I'm much more concerned about the West Leg because I feel like it WILL be cutting across some major roadways at grade (104th Ave, Stony, etc).
    The implementation seems to be pretty good. I would have had the rail bridge separate from the pedestrian bridge already existing and had the LRT bridge adjacent but in construction here they want to not work too close to already standing structures. But other than that pretty good. I like the line, will use it a lot. But as the population here ages the Grey Nuns stop is a bit of a misnomer. Its a fair distance from where the Hospital is. Would also have preferred the Station to be a bit south of where terminus is at MWTC albeit that would have required some land acquistition. As it is it seems required anyway as ETS has to acquire land to now move the bus terminal to where the LRT terminus is. That part is clearly screwed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I don't see anyway for people living in Rossdale (walking across the Low Level or James MacDonald) bridge or for that matter people on the west side of 99th Street to access the Station at Muttart. Are they building a sky bridge overtop of 99th? I sure hope so as they don't putting a crosswalk across all that traffic as it will delay traffic into the downtown every time someone hits a button.

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    you can walk under the james mcdonald bridge, and the low level, and then cross to muttart on the pedbridge.

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    They'll definitely have to add some lights to some of those crosswalks or re-think the pedestrian flow. That whole area is a bit of a mess with roads looping around and crosswalks on corners/bends etc. I've still not gotten the hang of biking through that area on multi-use paths without dead-ending myself or just saying screw it and waiting for a break in traffic to cross.

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    If it is not designed that way already, they should extend the footbridge portion of the Tawatin‚ Bridge to follow the grade separation of of the LRT track portion over 98 avenue. There should still be a feeder ramp from the trails on the river side of 98 avenue, but the pedestrian path should end on the ground on the Muttart side of 98 avenue.

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    There's already a ped bridge that crosses 98th avenue. I don't think that's going away. It's right next to the LRT being built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    you can walk under the james mcdonald bridge, and the low level, and then cross to muttart on the pedbridge.
    Except when we had the flood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    If it is not designed that way already, they should extend the footbridge portion of the Tawatin‚ Bridge to follow the grade separation of of the LRT track portion over 98 avenue. There should still be a feeder ramp from the trails on the river side of 98 avenue, but the pedestrian path should end on the ground on the Muttart side of 98 avenue.
    The elevated portion of the bridge the new LRT bridge (the tail) to the south side of 98th ave is within 50ft of the existing pedestrian overpass.

    Only issue that will occur is increased pedestrian/bicycle crossings between the Low Level crossing to the LRT station across the lanes that exit from Connors road and turn east and wrap around on to James Mac bridge. People will not walk from the Low Level to the existing pedestrian bridge and back to the station and will short cut that route. That said, prior to the LRT that was a low use crossing, I doubt it would see much increase as most avoided the Low Level and used the footbridge (new LRT bridge) which is directly aligned with the existing pedestrian bridge over 98th ave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by medwards View Post
    you can walk under the james mcdonald bridge, and the low level, and then cross to muttart on the pedbridge.
    except when we had the flood.
    in 1912?

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    98th ave. has flooded a few times in recent years, not that that's really relevant at all.

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    I think the flood was in 1915.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I think the flood was in 1915.
    I recall a flood in the area in the 80's, although I don't know if 98 Ave was submerged or not. In any event, these days got to watch out for those 100 year floods, they seem to happen more often and sometimes unexpectedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    They'll definitely have to add some lights to some of those crosswalks or re-think the pedestrian flow. That whole area is a bit of a mess with roads looping around and crosswalks on corners/bends etc. I've still not gotten the hang of biking through that area on multi-use paths without dead-ending myself or just saying screw it and waiting for a break in traffic to cross.

    Agreed. I still can't wayfind my way through that quagmire or crossed roads. Spend any time there and basically everybody is confused as pedestrian or cyclist how to access low level bridge or get from there to anywhere. Its so non intuitive and poorly marked out. For instance you have to make around 6 correct either or random decisions just to go from Milcreek ravine to Low Level bridge. I've even got it right occasionally which is worse as the next time you think you got it nailed and take a wrong turn somewhere.


    The point is this is not a pedestrian design, it isn't at all. Its an area in which non vehicular users are made to play scramble and in underlining that they don't count, as per this *design*


    Its an absolutely embarrassing myriad network.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    There's already a ped bridge that crosses 98th avenue. I don't think that's going away. It's right next to the LRT being built.
    The ped bridge is extremely inconvenient at the top of a climb from Millcreek ravine, to go uphill, only to have to go all the way downhill again to get to Muttart. Easier to simply avoid that hill and take the crossing in advance of the hill.


    unless one purposely just likes going up and down hills for the sake of it. That ped bridge is a joke and always was. The kind of thing in this city that reflects that multiuse trail users are complete after thought and don't count..
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    That's the ped bridge over connor's road. the one over 98ave is much better located, it's approaches are just a bit too steep for some people. That's pretty common for paths in our valley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    That's the ped bridge over connor's road. the one over 98ave is much better located, it's approaches are just a bit too steep for some people. That's pretty common for paths in our valley.
    Completely lost now. What ped bridge over 98AVenue? This area is so confusing. I've lived here all my life and its a veritable pathway puzzle. I'll try to make sense of this on google maps.

    edit, oh, you mean the one that is way east, where the pedestrian bridge used to be? is that even still there with the LRT construction going on? Is it staying? Seems weird to deviate all that way to try to connect with the Low Level bridge..

    especially if one is coming from Millcreek ravine or ANYWHERE from the southside it makes no sense to go all the way east and then come back to Low level bridge.

    the 98 ped bridge is poorly located. It always meant deviating way east and then back again. It just wasn't perceived as much as a detour when the ped bridge was there. But its a pointless detour. Its maybe a good location for the few people that live nearby. For everybody else an inconvenient crossing. Certainly from a commuter pov it made no sense to have the bridge located there as DT access.
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    It's there, still open, and pretty sure its staying. When the LRT bridge is open, there will be a ped underneath it, like the other LRT bridge. It's a perfect place for commuters by bike, as the paths leading directly out of millcreek ravine end up here, and millcreek ravine is a pretty big commuting path for those on bike, funneling people from many parts of the southside into downtown. The footbridge over the river is also great for those coming from the east like Forest heights or Mcnally etc...
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    And great for anybody parking at Muttart and walking down to Accidental Beach.

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    dont park at muttart, they will ticket/tow you now. Muttart guests are asked to register their plate at reception.

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    ^ With all these privacy laws etc is Muttart allowed to do this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    It's there, still open, and pretty sure its staying. When the LRT bridge is open, there will be a ped underneath it, like the other LRT bridge. It's a perfect place for commuters by bike, as the paths leading directly out of millcreek ravine end up here, and millcreek ravine is a pretty big commuting path for those on bike, funneling people from many parts of the southside into downtown. The footbridge over the river is also great for those coming from the east like Forest heights or Mcnally etc...
    Its an inefficient commuter path from Millcreek ravine, which could be much more directly connected to the DT rather than detouring all the way to Cloverdale, then back West to access the DT at for instance the Funicular. Which is why many thing a ped crossing should be right at Funicular, Low level bridge vicinity, not a Km away. The LRT ped bridge crossing point adds around 2K each way to the trip. First going East, then back west to get to the DT. Only for multiuse trails would this be considered acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    And great for anybody parking at Muttart and walking down to Accidental Beach.
    Or complete aholes that park at parking lots next to major city facilities which have a clear purpose being next to that facility and that use that only to get to other places. Typical though of the Accidental Beach type user.

    Good that they are towing people again. That parking lot should be for the use of Muttart or the nearby small park. Not for other jaunts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    It's there, still open, and pretty sure its staying. When the LRT bridge is open, there will be a ped underneath it, like the other LRT bridge. It's a perfect place for commuters by bike, as the paths leading directly out of millcreek ravine end up here, and millcreek ravine is a pretty big commuting path for those on bike, funneling people from many parts of the southside into downtown. The footbridge over the river is also great for those coming from the east like Forest heights or Mcnally etc...
    Its an inefficient commuter path from Millcreek ravine, which could be much more directly connected to the DT rather than detouring all the way to Cloverdale, then back West to access the DT at for instance the Funicular. Which is why many thing a ped crossing should be right at Funicular, Low level bridge vicinity, not a Km away. The LRT ped bridge crossing point adds around 2K each way to the trip. First going East, then back west to get to the DT. Only for multiuse trails would this be considered acceptable.
    While it's a much bigger deal when you're on foot, isn't this exactly what we did with the 50th street truck route?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    It's there, still open, and pretty sure its staying. When the LRT bridge is open, there will be a ped underneath it, like the other LRT bridge. It's a perfect place for commuters by bike, as the paths leading directly out of millcreek ravine end up here, and millcreek ravine is a pretty big commuting path for those on bike, funneling people from many parts of the southside into downtown. The footbridge over the river is also great for those coming from the east like Forest heights or Mcnally etc...
    Its an inefficient commuter path from Millcreek ravine, which could be much more directly connected to the DT rather than detouring all the way to Cloverdale, then back West to access the DT at for instance the Funicular. Which is why many thing a ped crossing should be right at Funicular, Low level bridge vicinity, not a Km away. The LRT ped bridge crossing point adds around 2K each way to the trip. First going East, then back west to get to the DT. Only for multiuse trails would this be considered acceptable.
    While it's a much bigger deal when you're on foot, isn't this exactly what we did with the 50th street truck route?
    Fair enough. But several trucking routes exist and Henday is almost always a better option anyway. if you're that far east anyway why not take Henday as a trucker? Its not like Wayne Gretzky drive would be any great route. Its an absolute bottleneck crossing one Avenue choke point after another. Going from 95- the bridge usually being interminable. not to mention 66/75 is basically unusable during the LRT construction.

    In anycase one bad thing shouldn't support another. Except in COE planning..
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ With all these privacy laws etc is Muttart allowed to do this?
    ? It's their parking lot, they can do what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    And great for anybody parking at Muttart and walking down to Accidental Beach.
    Or complete aholes that park at parking lots next to major city facilities which have a clear purpose being next to that facility and that use that only to get to other places. Typical though of the Accidental Beach type user.

    Good that they are towing people again. That parking lot should be for the use of Muttart or the nearby small park. Not for other jaunts.
    I'm pretty sure there was a sign up last year directing people to park there instead of on the street. Either that or it was suggested in the Journal. The memory is a bit hazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    It's there, still open, and pretty sure its staying. When the LRT bridge is open, there will be a ped underneath it, like the other LRT bridge. It's a perfect place for commuters by bike, as the paths leading directly out of millcreek ravine end up here, and millcreek ravine is a pretty big commuting path for those on bike, funneling people from many parts of the southside into downtown. The footbridge over the river is also great for those coming from the east like Forest heights or Mcnally etc...
    Its an inefficient commuter path from Millcreek ravine, which could be much more directly connected to the DT rather than detouring all the way to Cloverdale, then back West to access the DT at for instance the Funicular. Which is why many thing a ped crossing should be right at Funicular, Low level bridge vicinity, not a Km away. The LRT ped bridge crossing point adds around 2K each way to the trip. First going East, then back west to get to the DT. Only for multiuse trails would this be considered acceptable.
    You should look at google maps - turn the bicycle feature on. It more easily lays out those paths. If you dont want to 'detour' all the way to the ped bridge, you can easily take the low level or James Mcdonald bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
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    And great for anybody parking at Muttart and walking down to Accidental Beach.
    Or complete aholes that park at parking lots next to major city facilities which have a clear purpose being next to that facility and that use that only to get to other places. Typical though of the Accidental Beach type user.

    Good that they are towing people again. That parking lot should be for the use of Muttart or the nearby small park. Not for other jaunts.
    I'm pretty sure there was a sign up last year directing people to park there instead of on the street. Either that or it was suggested in the Journal. The memory is a bit hazy.
    There's new signs up all over the parking lot for muttart asking guests to register their car or they may be ticketed/towed.

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    And great for anybody parking at Muttart and walking down to Accidental Beach.
    Or complete aholes that park at parking lots next to major city facilities which have a clear purpose being next to that facility and that use that only to get to other places. Typical though of the Accidental Beach type user.

    Good that they are towing people again. That parking lot should be for the use of Muttart or the nearby small park. Not for other jaunts.
    I'm pretty sure there was a sign up last year directing people to park there instead of on the street. Either that or it was suggested in the Journal. The memory is a bit hazy.
    There's new signs up all over the parking lot for muttart asking guests to register their car or they may be ticketed/towed.
    Interesting. I mean I guess that's their right, but it really just adds to the parking problem that Cloverdale residents were vocal about last year.

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    And great for anybody parking at Muttart and walking down to Accidental Beach.
    Or complete aholes that park at parking lots next to major city facilities which have a clear purpose being next to that facility and that use that only to get to other places. Typical though of the Accidental Beach type user.

    Good that they are towing people again. That parking lot should be for the use of Muttart or the nearby small park. Not for other jaunts.
    I'm pretty sure there was a sign up last year directing people to park there instead of on the street. Either that or it was suggested in the Journal. The memory is a bit hazy.
    People here, in the thread on the accidental beach were telling people to park at Muttart. A bad idea I was against from the start. Why should the parking lot at Muttart service people to go to Accidental beach?


    A suggestion would be to find accidental bus. Or Accidental bike.
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    And great for anybody parking at Muttart and walking down to Accidental Beach.
    Or complete aholes that park at parking lots next to major city facilities which have a clear purpose being next to that facility and that use that only to get to other places. Typical though of the Accidental Beach type user.

    Good that they are towing people again. That parking lot should be for the use of Muttart or the nearby small park. Not for other jaunts.
    I'm pretty sure there was a sign up last year directing people to park there instead of on the street. Either that or it was suggested in the Journal. The memory is a bit hazy.
    There's new signs up all over the parking lot for muttart asking guests to register their car or they may be ticketed/towed.
    Interesting. I mean I guess that's their right, but it really just adds to the parking problem that Cloverdale residents were vocal about last year.
    Parking at the Muttart for non muttart reasons impacts the Muttarts ability to host events, and provide parking for their visitors...
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    I agree, I guess I just always thought the lot was bigger then they would require at any given time. But you're righr, they hold enough events there that it would be problematic.

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    New Landscape Renderings/Diagrams posted today on transed site:

    http://transedlrt.ca/gallery/landsca...gallery/page/1

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    ^Neat! Looks pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danimori View Post
    New Landscape Renderings/Diagrams posted today on transed site:

    http://transedlrt.ca/gallery/landsca...gallery/page/1
    Did I miss it, or is the Avonmore station conspicuously missing? I live near there and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of station building.

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    I think they really goofed with the sidewalk adjacent the road and no real treed boulevard between road and sidewalk. I tried to tell theC ity this was the opportunity to put a real treed boulevard where one was previously not there, but I guess walking next to 1 lane of traffic isn't the worst in the long run. Still curious and yet no answers on the vancant lots along 83 st and at the corner of 76 ave.

    Just e-mailed TransEd about Avonmore stop. Odd they left it out.
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    I don't see Churchill or 101-102 Street station maps. Also the links don't work for zone areas.

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    What lucky SOB is gonna go out and do a photo tour of the line? It's been months and I am hankering for some updates....

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    There are some pics of the railway tracks being installed around 34-38 Avenue, that can be taken.
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    The north pier on the LRT bridge across the North Saskatchewan River is being built.
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    Took a relative to Grey Nuns today for a checkup and decided to take a look at how things were going. Not bad at all!








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    I think the only thing that disappoints me is that there seems to be a flurry of work on a section of line and then they stop and just leave that area partially completed with no signs of completion. I'd understand if they have to wait for concrete to cure so they can move on to more space adjacent to that area, or hop scotching to other parts but there are parts that have been left incomplete for months with no signs that they are trying to meet a completion date. Comparatively I remember on other LRT line constructions that construction seemed to flow and you could see progression. There just seems to be parts of the overall construction site that doesn't seem that organized.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    They're building the retaining wall to the approach ramp at 98 Avenue.
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    Taken September 11, 2018
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    ^ Great photos. I like Valley_17. Looks pretty tight for that bus in this shot.
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    Why are we getting this glorified street car garbage when Calgary gets this:

    City looking at massive 'single-bore' tunnel for Green Line http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...for-green-line

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    Itís because Calgary is Manhattan and Edmonton is The Bronx

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    Because Edmonton started its LRT as a Manhattan wannabe and now has to be The Bronx that it actually is.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Because we elect a mayor and council that wants a slow streetcar that is designed "good enough"

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    I think it's dumb for a city to have buses running down the same street along with LRT. Also, what streetcar goes 50+ km/hr?
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    I think it's dumb for a city to have buses running down the same street along with LRT. Also, what streetcar goes 50+ km/hr?
    You're right. Let's remove all the buses from Jasper ave and, when the valley line opens, 102 & 104 ave. The LRT should only service people along it's route that can walk between stations.

    Or we can realize that buses serve as fill in between the stations.

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    I was thinking 7 Avenue S in Calgary.
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    I still say let us remember that city council may vote on and decide what we will be doing in regards to LRT, but it is city administration that comes up with the ideas they want city council to vote on and/or potentially dissuade council on ideas that they don't like themselves. I would like to know who's the person that first suggested the low floor train was the way to go. I would like to know who was the planner that felt that at grade crossing of Whyte ave was the best option to have council decide upon. Council has to trust city admin otherwise nothing could get accomplished which I understand, but how does admin prove they are being effective? Who is it within the admin that is running the show and making those decisions on what is best for us for our LRT designs. Also whoever that person is, what is his or her qualifications regarding designing effective LRT?
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    ^ Should public engagement help decide any of that for council?
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    FFS guys, can we at least wait for the line to open before we ***** about it? Sheeeesh, seriously! Tram systems are a common feature in many major cities throughout the world. Whether it pans out in Edmonton remains to be seen, but let's actually SEE how it works before pulling out the torches and pitchforks, shall we?

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    FFS guys (and gals!) Lets spend billions upon billions of dollars, then decide if this is a reasonable solution to the problem we are trying to overcome... Lets ignore the track record from this administration past and present of other failed mass transit iniatitives... "This will be different, they've changed, they said they won't hit us anymore" said the abused citizen.... like #metoo

    SOUNDS BRILLANT!!!

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    ^^ I get it OJ - just that so many of us haven't been asking for much - just grade separation at a couple (actually on the SE portion just one) intersection(s).

    We get trolley-lovers portraying us as Doug-Ford style subway-wannabe's, when it's just a tweak to one intersection to avoid disaster that we're asking for.

    I get your frustration, but it's not like there isn't already ample evidence of how this Transportation Dept fu*ks things up through its never-ending intransigence.

    And ample evidence of how City Council rolls over and lets the insanity repeat itself.
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    Why do we need to wait until it's open to criticize the obvious shortcomings. We know around Bonnie Doon will be messed up

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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    ^^ I get it OJ - just that so many of us haven't been asking for much - just grade separation at a couple (actually on the SE portion just one) intersection(s).

    We get trolley-lovers portraying us as Doug-Ford style subway-wannabe's, when it's just a tweak to one intersection to avoid disaster that we're asking for.

    I get your frustration, but it's not like there isn't already ample evidence of how this Transportation Dept fu*ks things up through its never-ending intransigence.

    And ample evidence of how City Council rolls over and lets the insanity repeat itself.
    Sure, I'm not saying that discussions about various aspects (such as grade separation at particular intersections) should be off-limits. But in a series of posts before mine people constantly seemed to be dumping on the low floor system as a whole. That's what annoyed me.

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    I can't believe we are discussing low floor vs high floor for the 1,000,000th time. In reality, they both can serve the same purpose, and can both be implemented in a very similar fashion. Yes, high floor will need a slight ramp to get to the higher platform, but take a look at what's proposed on the NAIT line extension.

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    I saw more caternary poles up on the line on 66 Street, north of 34 Avenue.
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    The sidewalks are being poured along 83 Street. I’m sure the warm weather will mean that the street will be moved over before the snow flies.
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