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    Default Capital Boulevard - 108st | under construction

    Sweeping Capital Boulevard planned for Edmonton
    BY TRISH AUDETTE, EDMONTONJOURNAL.COMSEPTEMBER 24, 2009 3:02 PM

    EDMONTON — The Alberta government envisions a sweeping “Capital Boulevard” downtown by the year 2012, allowing a clear view from Grant MacEwan University to the legislature dome, Infrastructure Minister Jack Hayden said Thursday.

    With fellow government members looking on, Hayden described the legislature grounds renovations, including rehabilitating the long-empty Federal Building - just north of the legislature grounds, at 9820 107th St. - and adding new underground parking to the area while making room for a new outdoor skating rink.

    Initially, the province pegged the work - expected to be done by 2012, the legislature’s 100th anniversary - at $356 million. But in recent months, construction companies have become far more competitive, Hayden said, estimating costs will come down by at least 20 per cent and the total cost of the project will ring in under $300 million.

    “Restoring this historically significant building will add to the legislature site (and) help with the rejuvenation of downtown Edmonton,” Hayden said.

    Full Story: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...464/story.html

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    I wonder what kind of work they would be willing to do between MacEwan University and the Legislature. Trees? Statues? Cool Lamp Posts?
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    It's about time this idea was actualized...

    In my books this is pretty much a no brainer.

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    And hopefully this time it just doesn't stop at the announcement. I know this news and possibly a thread like this on c2e was started within the last 2 or 3 years. End result for 108th street? Zero.

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    I would prefer a capital block. 105-109 streets, Jasper to the Leg.

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    It's six one way half a dozen the other.

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    ""Once the renovations are complete in 2011, the building will be home to people who now working at the aging Terrace and Annex buildings, including cabinet ministers, members of the legislature, and staff from the legislative assembly and the Finance and Enterprise Ministry."

    $356,000,000 - the Alberta Conservatives have no problem with spending tax dollars when it comes to their own comfort and convenience. By delaying this project, the 240 acute care hospitals beds in Calgary and Edmonton could have been kept open, waiting lists for surgeries could have been reduced, seniors would not be scrambling to pay for prescriptions, Alberta Hospital residents would not be turned out etc, etc".

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    That area really could be nice. The Bowker Building and Haltain Building adds to the wonderful
    architecture between 107th and 109th Streets. I wonder if the Federal Building will retain the historical name and facade. I think it should

    I, for one, am pleased that the area is being considered for a major upgrade.
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    If we'd let it, Health Care could easily suck up all our gov't expenditures.

    Some investment in what should be the Crown Jewel of the Capital City after neglect since Loughee's day is a drop in the bucket.
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    ^Agreed. No matter how much is spent on health (and it is limitless, just have a look at what many specialists earn) all of us will die eventually. We deserve some things to enjoy before that happens - a revitalized downtown is IMO good value for money, and in itself, is a "healthy" option versus other spends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesC View Post
    If we'd let it, Health Care could easily suck up all our gov't expenditures.

    Some investment in what should be the Crown Jewel of the Capital City after neglect since Loughee's day is a drop in the bucket.
    A world-class health care system should be considered a 'crown jewel' - this is just expensive window dressing.

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    The "healthcare-uber-alles" people are starting to be like the "potholes-before-arts" crowd.

    If you've got an issue with healthcare funding, start a thread on it. Stop banging your monotone drum in any thread that mentions government spending in an area you disagree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^Agreed. No matter how much is spent on health (and it is limitless, just have a look at what many specialists earn) all of us will die eventually. We deserve some things to enjoy before that happens - a revitalized downtown is IMO good value for money, and in itself, is a "healthy" option versus other spends.
    Do you realize that the conservatives are about to push out like 200 unstable mental patients into west end seniors housing? Housing designed for seniors, much like the lovely woman in today's paper whose care request was denied by the government because there's a 96 year old man next door who could possibly care for her.

    Oh but it'd be nice for the ministers to be comfortable.
    Nice priorities. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    The "healthcare-uber-alles" people are starting to be like the "potholes-before-arts" crowd.

    If you've got an issue with healthcare funding, start a thread on it. Stop banging your monotone drum in any thread that mentions government spending in an area you disagree with.
    So sorry that the topics don't fit your liking. Maybe you can go build your own little forum where everyone can share the exact same opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    The "healthcare-uber-alles" people are starting to be like the "potholes-before-arts" crowd.

    If you've got an issue with healthcare funding, start a thread on it. Stop banging your monotone drum in any thread that mentions government spending in an area you disagree with.
    It's sometimes more interesting to consider one issue in relation too another, rather than in isolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armin View Post
    So sorry that the topics don't fit your liking. Maybe you can go build your own little forum where everyone can share the exact same opinion.
    It's not about the opinion, it's about the fact that this is a thread about streetscape improvements in the Architecture and Design subforum. I'm just asking for people to not derail the thread into another healthcare spending rant. If you'd like to discuss spending on healthcare, I'd suggest a thread here or here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by armin View Post
    So sorry that the topics don't fit your liking. Maybe you can go build your own little forum where everyone can share the exact same opinion.
    It's not about the opinion, it's about the fact that this is a thread about streetscape improvements in the Architecture and Design subforum. I'm just asking for people to not derail the thread into another healthcare spending rant. If you'd like to discuss spending on healthcare, I'd suggest a thread here or here.
    Yes, and can you explain why we're putting so much into ill timed projects when we've got considerably more important issues to take care of first?

    The velodrome, federal building, and now this stupid idea.

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    ^ That's your opinion, I think it is a great idea. Healthcare is very important but so is building livable cities. What good is spending all your money on healthcare to live a long life if there is nothing to live for? Sorry, but you have to spend money on things like this, I want some of my tax dollars going to projects like this.

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    Agree with Hilman 100 percent. Great project that needs to go ahead. Health care (or lack thereof) is a seperate issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    Agree with Hilman 100 percent. Great project that needs to go ahead. Health care (or lack thereof) is a seperate issue.

    ...it's not about seperate issues, it's about priorities. 'Garnish' comes later.

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    I am afraid that the tired "what about the homeless/hospitals/potholes, won't someone please think of the homeless/hospitals/potholes" mantra will not have much sympathy here. There's plenty of other venues for such views, namely the SUN letter pages.

    Besides, it is too late to back out now. The funding for this project was already committed a year and a half ago, back when there was still a boom:
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...6&postcount=74

    The construction started soon after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I am afraid that the tired "what about the homeless/hospitals/potholes, won't someone please think of the homeless/hospitals/potholes" mantra will not have much sympathy here. There's plenty of other venues for such views, namely the SUN letter pages.

    Besides, it is too late to back out now. The funding for this project was already committed a year and a half ago, back when there was still a boom:
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...6&postcount=74

    The construction started soon after that.
    I can take or leave potholes to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by armin View Post
    So sorry that the topics don't fit your liking. Maybe you can go build your own little forum where everyone can share the exact same opinion.
    It's not about the opinion, it's about the fact that this is a thread about streetscape improvements in the Architecture and Design subforum. I'm just asking for people to not derail the thread into another healthcare spending rant. If you'd like to discuss spending on healthcare, I'd suggest a thread here or here.
    Yes, and can you explain why we're putting so much into ill timed projects when we've got considerably more important issues to take care of first?

    The velodrome, federal building, and now this stupid idea.
    Does anybody see the contradiction in this statement in regard to health-care (hint, hint)......as usual the health-care, pothole, don't spend money on anything nazis can't see the forest for the trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy8244 View Post
    ...it's not about seperate issues, it's about priorities. 'Garnish' comes later.
    Having a vibrant interesting downtown, and a healthy city where people can live in walkable communities is garnish? OK. Hate to live in your world, it would probably look a lot like one of those eastern bloc cities the communists built - you know, those places where the garnish came after the essentials. We only have one short life, I don't want to waste it all on worrying about extending it - I don't want our government only doing that either.
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    I have to agree with armin 100%. Although I'm not a contributor to this forum I've silently gone along with the general consensus on many things discussed here (closure of city centre airport, downtown arena, etc.) but not this. If what SDM says is true, that the funds are already committed than this argument I guess is moot - but to build this grand blvd in the midst of announced health cuts - it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You guys are seriously 100% OK with this?

    Health care is not a seperate issue by the way - not in my mind.

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    Health Care is most definitely a separate issue from Architecture and Design. Andy8244 already started a thread on it here before he threadjacked this one.

    For the record, I've not stated a position one way or another in regards to funding allocation, all I want is for the discussion to take place in the forum designated for it and leave this thread for the topical discussion.
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    Health Care is a separate issue....
    Since calm logic doesn't work, I guess it is time to employ sarcasm. ...and before you call me an a-hole...remember, I am a Dick.

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    Well why not forget about everything except for heathcare. No new buildings, no renovated buildings, no government funded housing for homeless, no art galleries, no museums, no improvement in transportation such as LRT, no improvements to any major roadways or bridges. Oh while we are at it, let's halt spending on education at all levels, lets stop all spending on any research to do with technology. Hmmmm, does that cover most things. Healthcare loses money from everything in this world so we have to redivert all that money to health care, then we can go visit the doctors on a daily basis. Ok are we happy now????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Well why not forget about everything except for heathcare. No new buildings, no renovated buildings, no government funded housing for homeless, no art galleries, no museums, no improvement in transportation such as LRT, no improvements to any major roadways or bridges. Oh while we are at it, let's halt spending on education at all levels, lets stop all spending on any research to do with technology. Hmmmm, does that cover most things. Healthcare loses money from everything in this world so we have to redivert all that money to health care, then we can go visit the doctors on a daily basis. Ok are we happy now????
    A number of the areas you quote here could quite easily be funded privately - no problem there. The cutting of funding and creeping privatization of your health care system is a backward and morally dubious step.

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    This project has already been started, let's finish it. Something like this will be a boost for tourism for Edmonton. I think, when the economy recovers, Alberta should look at building the Provincial Museum at the site of the Terrace Building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Health Care is a separate issue....
    I have to disagree Richard. The entire issue is timing. I didn't say I didn't like the plan, just the timing is really awful.

    Sorry, but the health care issue should take priority. Just the idea that we're locked into a contract shows this plan was ill conceived.

    If you think our opinion's scope should be reserved to backpatting the 'design', then it doesn't leave much room for debate. Not exactly fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    This project has already been started, let's finish it. Something like this will be a boost for tourism for Edmonton. I think, when the economy recovers, Alberta should look at building the Provincial Museum at the site of the Terrace Building.

    When the economy recovers, Alberta will be preoccupied with trying to shore up it's by then underfunded and understaffed healthcare system, trying to recruit staff and entice nurses from overseas with relocation packages - again.

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    ^ It shouldn't be hard as RN's in Alberta are the highest paid in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    ^ It shouldn't be hard as RN's in Alberta are the highest paid in the country.
    ...are you suggesting they don't earn it? or are you just buying in to Duckett's smear campaign.
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    Oh look, its the same usual characters derailing yet another thread. Congrats Armin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    ^ It shouldn't be hard as RN's in Alberta are the highest paid in the country.
    Health workers / administrators get $27,000 of free pastries too...

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/albe...30321-sun.html

    Maybe we need a split thread "Why health funding is more important than a healthy downtown", or something like that?

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    So some of you want the Fed building reno abandoned RIGHT NOW - a project that started a year and a half ago - and leave an empty fenced-off pit where the parkade is being constructed. I am glad none of you are in a position of decision-making.

    And as Edmcowboy11 alluded to, may as well cancel the Henday construction too.

    Have any of you naysayers considered the fact that, in a period of recession and high unemployment, all this construction activity is actually putting people to work who would otherwise be collecting EI and living in a tent in the river valley?
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    After looking at the renderings there is something wrong with the grade from the new plaza to the old. It appears that the 20 or so foot drop has been taken out...is this so?...what I am referring to is the look out near the Haltain building looking south...in the renderings it appears if there is a new 'flat' grade...but you can't have this due to the natural slope...

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy8244 View Post
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    ^ It shouldn't be hard as RN's in Alberta are the highest paid in the country.
    ...are you suggesting they don't earn it? or are you just buying in to Duckett's smear campaign.
    How do you get that from what I said? Please elaborate.

    I....will....say....this....real....slow....for... you....to....understand. If...I...am...a...nurse...looking...for...a...job, ...would...I....go...to...the..province...that.... pays...the...least...or...the...most?????

    How about we leave this thread to the Federal building grounds renovation and you can use any of the other threads to whine in regarding healthcare. Sorry but I am tired of all of my taxes being used for the basics and want a few of the "garnishes".

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockdoc View Post
    After looking at the renderings there is something wrong with the grade from the new plaza to the old. It appears that the 20 or so foot drop has been taken out...is this so?...what I am referring to is the look out near the Haltain building looking south...in the renderings it appears if there is a new 'flat' grade...but you can't have this due to the natural slope...
    I think this one is the only one that gives a clue:



    That area is all plaza right now. But where the stairs start would be a question, because underneath there is loading docks and mechanical, and that existing visitors centre that leads to the tunnels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by andy8244 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    ^ It shouldn't be hard as RN's in Alberta are the highest paid in the country.
    ...are you suggesting they don't earn it? or are you just buying in to Duckett's smear campaign.
    How do you get that from what I said? Please elaborate.

    I....will....say....this....real....slow....for... you....to....understand. If...I...am...a...nurse...looking...for...a...job, ...would...I....go...to...the..province...that.... pays...the...least...or...the...most?????

    How about we leave this thread to the Federal building grounds renovation and you can use any of the other threads to whine in regarding healthcare. Sorry but I am tired of all of my taxes being used for the basics and want a few of the "garnishes".

    ....be sure to mention that next time you find yourself or a family member in hospital.

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    So anyways, back to the topic, which has nothing to do with health care but partially to do with the federal building and area I'm curious if they will be renovating the part of the existing visitor centre. I was there a few months ago with my daughters class for a field trip and parts of the area looked quite tired and worn down.
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    Newfangled, that grade in the picture you show was there before...the parking lot and road which s being dug out now....Hmmm, I still think the overlook will stay...which has to make sense because the Leg is below the road grade at 99 ave...

    I remember seeing an old photo of the area and 108 street was sloping down to the leg with old houses on either side...

    Now what I hope they do is take out the look out and that concrete and glass wall and start to lower the grade from further back (north)...but that would mean a lot of structural work on the existing bunker roof (current plaza)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy8244 View Post
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    Agree with Hilman 100 percent. Great project that needs to go ahead. Health care (or lack thereof) is a seperate issue.

    ...it's not about seperate issues, it's about priorities. 'Garnish' comes later.
    I think many are forgetting that the funding for these 'garnish' projects were approved by the Legislative Assembly last year. The money has been allocated and spent. The proposed cuts we are hearing about are for next years budget.

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    If you look at the picture recently posted in the Federal Building thread of the entire Government District you can see the overlook is still in place. As it was, the entire area sloped toward the overlook, and that'll be leveled with the top edge of the plaza. The small stairs we see in the renderings newfangled posted are to bring the new plaza level down to the old overlook level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
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    Agree with Hilman 100 percent. Great project that needs to go ahead. Health care (or lack thereof) is a seperate issue.

    ...it's not about seperate issues, it's about priorities. 'Garnish' comes later.
    I think many are forgetting that the funding for these 'garnish' projects were approved by the Legislative Assembly last year. The money has been allocated and spent. The proposed cuts we are hearing about are for next years budget.
    I think they'd prefer that we pull a City Of Ottawa, cancel the contracts mid stream, and end up paying tens of million dollars in penalties and court costs. Because that wouldn't be short sighted at all.

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    108 Street/Capital Boulevard will be a great start for connecting the Legislature with downtown.
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    I'm looking forward to this and am excited to see the detailed plans. I'm really curious when work is going to begin. I also hope that they can somehow spend some additional money and do some of the work at the future Campus LRT station location, to at least get the site prepared for eventual construction of the downtown connector line. It may not be as vital as it was when the NLRT line was prebuilt under Epcor tower but it could help minimize costs a bit at least. I also wonder if they plan on changing the LRT entrance at Jasper ave next to the Mayfair site. It looks fine to me but do they want a different look?
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    The LRT Circulator shows a station at 99 ave and 108 st. Hopefully the improvements planned for that area aren't undone by the LRT. We need these projects, including the Jasper Avenue Renewal, to work together.

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    "I'm really curious when work is going to begin"

    Spring/summer 2011 - 99 ave to jasper
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    I have to imagine they will consider the LRT on 99ave/108st intersection and going from 107-109st.

    I am very much looking forward to this as it is disgraceful currently with some of the worst asphalt in the city as the main entrance to the grounds.
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    ^I do not know if all of 99 avenue will get repaved, but the government had requested that the City do it at the City's expense...not sure if that got sorted out lol
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    ^99 will be paved through this from 107st-109st

    This spring 99 from 104st-107st will be rebuilt (roadway and sidewalks on the north side).
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    This project will be a great benefit to downtown Edmonton, and it revamps quite a lengthy downtown section. The only thing I would like to see is a proper bike lane as opposed to the extra space in the parking lane.

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    ^this roadway will have relatively low traffic counts and is intended to be a shared experience with no curb, just a swale.
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    ^nice, I like that. It has been very effective on 104 street.

    On another note, once all these renos are done, I could see a really nice mixed-use building on the NE corner lot of 108st/98 ave. I could see a nice cafe/restaurant on the corner, so I could sit there and look out over the new gov't promenade towards the Leg.
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    I hope that there will be some sort of restaurant of cafe at 108 and Jasper in the Mayfair building.
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    ^... oh there just might be.
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    ^Is that a "touch my nose" moment or just pure spec?

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    Construction on Edmonton’s showcase Capital Boulevard set to begin in May

    $13M project includes overhaul of Federal Building

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...315/story.html
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    ^ Interesting that the Capital Blvd idea has been floating around since 1929.
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    I'm definitely looking forward to the construction along 108 Street/Capital Boulevard. Washington D. C. and Ottawa have wonderful civic parks complementing their government buildings. Victoria's B. C. Legislature is situated next to the harbour and Regina's Legislature is situated next to Wascana Lake and Wascana Park.

    Edmonton's civic profile would grow even more with an interface between the Legislature and downtown.
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    "The rectangular reflecting and wading pool in front of the legislature will be closed due to mechanical problems, Danyluk said."

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    I was just thinking the same thing. People flock to the pools during the summer... I would hate to see that change.

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    Even with the new water area... The current one should be fixed.
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    With respect to 108 Street, I think this street would rock on Canada Day, along with other holiday weekends.

    Also, I agree that the Legislature pool should be a priority. Perhaps April and May could be dedicated to fixing the pool, with a grand opening on Victoria Day.
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    Asphalt will be replaced by concrete paving stones with a similar beige colour to the legislature building. Each block will feature a wide concrete crosswalk inset with a black granite circle, mid-street planters and eventually sculpture.

    The granite will be shaped in a rectangle at each intersection except Jasper, which is being left alone until it undergoes its own planned upgrading.

    There will be decorative metal street lights mounted on Tyndall stone-clad bases, the arms holding the light fixtures put at the same angle as sides of the triangular podium over the legislature’s front door.

    This will be a huge improvement for 108th Street south of Jasper, but I think the real 180 degree turn will be north of Jasper; that streetscape is in incredible disrepair.

    I also heard (or misheard) that 107th Street was originally part of this project?

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    "I also heard (or misheard) that 107th Street was originally part of this project?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    With respect to 108 Street, I think this street would rock on Canada Day, along with other holiday weekends.

    Also, I agree that the Legislature pool should be a priority. Perhaps April and May could be dedicated to fixing the pool, with a grand opening on Victoria Day.
    One pool should be clothing optional, and require a valid college student ID for entry.
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    The rectangular reflecting and wading pool in front of the legislature will be closed due to mechanical problems, Danyluk said.

    I seriously hope he means temporarily closed while mechanical problems are fixed. A hot summer day, that reflecting and wading pool is jammed with kids having a great time - and grateful parents enjoying the sun.
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    ^yup and while the new plaze with water will be nice, the old one is a big part of the grounds...
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    I hope that when Capital Blvd is completed that the city and province is smart enough to use the blvd and the Legislature grounds and plaza for the Canada Day celebrations. That would be a wonderful way of getting people to walk up and down the whole area.
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    I'm looking forward to seeing more businesses on this street. Right now, it's a bunch of parking lots, and the buildings south of Jasper Avenue are largely institutional, without a lot of frontage for shops or businesses. I'm sure that there will be greater interest in this area once it's fixed up. Also, I think the warehouse district will get a kick-start from this, as it has 104 Street, Grant MacEwan, 108 Street and Jasper Avenue as boundaries.
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    Hey guys, I've got a question regarding all of the offices and buildings located along this corridor.

    Now in the city's "capital boulevard vision" presentation, they talk about encouraging the retrofit of buildings along this route. I realize making a theme around the building materials of the leg/fed/new street pavement/ other historically significant buildings, would really turn this street into what the entire projects goal is....but how is that enforced?

    Are some incentives in place to get owners to retrofit their buildings? And in this event, is their some type of design standard/material list that needs to be adhered to??

    Thanks for answers

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    Has construction started on Capital Boulevard yet?
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    Differences in elevation along 108 Street will mean that from the legislature you'll see little more than the top of the GMCC towers, and from GMCC you'll see little more than the top of the dome.

    You will, however, continue to see all the parking lots north of 100 Avenue, regardless of which way you look.

    "Capital Boulevard" as a fake marketing-toponym goes back to the mid-1980s.

    The street itself and its environment was a close to a dump then, is and will continue to be a far worse dump now.

    Paving stones and vast parking/bomb shelter/whatever substructures south of 99 Avenue do nothing to change or improve the desolation further north.

    But of course, it's only your money you are ever so happy is being spent -- on stones that within a couple of years our climate will fade to uniform dingy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex69 View Post
    The street itself and its environment was a close to a dump then, is and will continue to be a far worse dump now.
    Yes, because improvements somehow actually make things worse. That's an excellent argument.

    Plus, nobody should ever try to improve anything, because improvements don't last forever either. That's another excellent argument.

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    ^^That's the spirit, when all else fails a steady dose of pessimism and opinions like yours will continue to keep this city where it is right now for years to come. I guess you are a fan of mediocrity. Just think of all those foolish people around the world in cities around the world that thought a nice looking boulevard or streetscape was a bad idea.
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    Put trolls on Ignore, don't feed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Has construction started on Capital Boulevard yet?
    It is in the 2011 Construction On Your Streets program, which indicates it will start this year but no timelines are given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Has construction started on Capital Boulevard yet?
    Was down there yesterday, street between Jasper and 99 Ave is all marked up w/ spray paint ready to go. Some equipment is active, but it might be for Petroleum plaza. Either way, looks like it's starting.

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    Funded and will be U/C soon from 99ave-Jasper.

    Jasper to 104ave in 2012.
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    just a question about this, are they going to somehow make it continuous to the leg, because right now there is that huge drop and you have to go around. So are they going to put in a staircase or a slope to make the walk seamless?

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    Look, call me what you like, but be realistic.

    Paving stones along the blue line are not going to do anything about the wastelands marked in red.

    And even so... 101A Avenue and 100A Street found out that a single fire wrecks more than can be fixed by all the paving stones in the world.

    But of course, you'll just keep lying to yourselves about what downtown Edmonton is.

    It's amazing, really. A fully living city that stretches for tens on miles in every direction -- and a bunch here going all huffy about thirty or so square blocks of dead and dying space.


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    I don't know why you bother coming onto a forum like this, really. This space is for people who are passionate about this city and look forward to its growth and evolution.
    If you think streetscape improvements are a waste of money, then you are a fool. Rice Howard Way would not be the same and would have had a much tougher time attracting quality restaurants like Moriarity's, the new mexican restaurant opening up, Soul Soup, etc without it 'being a 'pedestrian friendly' area.
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    ^You really don't get it.

    Edmonton is more that the thirty square blocks of incompleted rot in its centre.

    I love this place just fine without its wasteland in the core. That's where the city's life is. That's where people live, play, and more and more work.

    I come here because is Connect2Edmonton, not Connect2DowntownEdmontonCommunityActivistSuperiori ty.

    And you boosters had better know ninety or more percent of the city live outside your sacred dump.

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    Alex - check your facts BRO... and while I will be the 1st to admit we have a long way to go, you obviously are not informed.

    Green is proposed and a high percentage of going ahead soon. Arena Entertainment District, Scott park, and norquest by themselves will take away a huge chunk.

    Blue are existing accessory parking for existing businesses on site.... or already developed. Maybe if you knew downtown better you would understand this.

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    aaaaand here comes the 'ignore' button
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    Quote Originally Posted by alex69 View Post
    ^You really don't get it.

    Edmonton is more that the thirty square blocks of incompleted rot in its centre.

    I love this place just fine without its wasteland in the core. That's where the city's life is. That's where people live, play, and more and more work.

    I come here because is Connect2Edmonton, not Connect2DowntownEdmontonCommunityActivistSuperiori ty.

    And you boosters had better know ninety or more percent of the city live outside your sacred dump.
    Like most cities in NA... we are just now recovering from the 'donut' effect with revived interest in urban infill.

    Actually 99%... 1% of the region live downtown, up from .5 % just 10 yrs ago.... and has been one of the faster growing neighbourhoods in Edmonton on a % basis.

    Enjoy what you enjoy, but many of us.... MANY OF US are working to improve downtown Edmonton and take it personally when uninformed people like yourself say what you do.
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    If no one takes any steps to improve the downtown core, weather it's in new buildings or in new streetscapes things will simple stay the same. I'm very happy that the city of Edmonton is taking the innitiative to try and improve what they have ability to improve. With a new, clean, fresh looking street will bring optimism that will attract businesses and developers to the area. Yes it would be nice if a bunch of businesses and developers all jump in at once and say they're going to redevelop but that rarely happens. Baby steps are needed and this area has a lot of promiss. With a newly renovated professional building and the new Mayfair Village buildings the Jasper ave end of things bringing new life to the area. If norquest gets moving on their expansion then that will drastically change that area too. I don't doubt that there are many a developer looking and waiting for the right moment to announce their projects for the area. This new streetscape shows businesses and developers that the city is committed to this area.
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    It really upsets me to see comments like these on this forum. I usually find more rational discussion on this forum, rather than forums like the Edmonton Journal, where many discussions get derailed by trolling and name-calling. The comments I read (on various forums) make me think that Edmonton is moving backwards.

    Further, I really wonder if the people who work in Edmonton genuinely want to contribute to this city. When I read about complaints about downtown being a dump, yet they complain about spending money to improve it. While I support debate on various issues, I think the hostility displayed is way of line.
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    TheCat:

    The cost of the paving stones upgrade over several blocks would likely fill at least one empty lot along the path of the paving stones with a medium-density structure, and ensure some sort of economically viable land use for it, in the sense of providing startup and firm-up capital.

    True, there are ideological concerns about welfare of this sort to be ironed out.

    But I still think, even with my reservations about spending public money that way, that it would be a more beneficial redevelopment exercise than paving stones.

    The way downtown "revitalization" has been for thirty years and STILL IS, makes no sense to me. It has made downtown a very easy place to hate -- too easy.

    If you think I am trolling when I write this, there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.
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    Why do you continue to post? Anytime some mentions downtown on this forum you are here to spit on downtown. That my friend is class-a trolling.

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    ^^
    The current effort for downtown Edmonton did not begin in 1981; there is no fixed date. Revitaliazation is a combined effort from people that care about the city, culminating in greater investment from the public and private sector.

    If you want a "medium density" building, then go ahead and invest some money. A well appointed streetscape leading to the cpaital building of this province is not money wasted.

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    Um, the paving stones are paid in part with some small portion of my taxes, too.

    Are we expected to cheer everything? The way you guys want it, it's not "put up [your money for private investement] or shut up", it's "put up [your taxes for public investment] AND shut up [if you're not gonna rah-rah-rah]".

    If my tax money must be invested in my name, I can say that I'd rather it were invested differently.

    And by the way, none of you guys have addressed the other point. You assume implicitly that fancy pavement dressups make a difference. Do they? I don't think so. Four great examples in Edmonton: Rice Howard Way, Whyte Avenue, 118 Avenue, Jasper Avenue. Whyte was dressed up in several stages from about 1985 to about 1995. In each case, dressup followed its development as a happening place. Rice Howard was also dressed up sometime in the eighties. Did that help establish the restaurant quarter there? Doubt it. The main anchor was always Bistro Praha and it had been there since forever. Then one fire knocked RH off and it still hasn't recovered, pavingf stones and rumors of restoration notwithstanding. Then 118, has just been dressed up. And 118 is in the early stages of rebirth. Does the dressup help the rebirth? Maybe, why not. Would there have been a rebirth anyway without the dressup? Yes, the rebirth started before the dressup. Would no dressup have choked the rebirth off? No way. Why? Look at Japer Avenue. The fanciest dressup of all. Has it helped a single place on Jasper stay where it? No. In no way at all. And now they want to redo the dressup!

    Those are my reasons for doubting the re-paving-stoning of 108. Would the same public money invested in actual lot improvement rather than street improvent do more? I think so.
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    ^you don't get it.
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    ^Not a very compelling argument.

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