Legalized "Pot' - who would distribute and sell?
So, if Alberta and/or Canada eventually abandon's the prohibition of products like marijuana (pot) being sold to the general public, how should it be distributed and sold?
Via:
- government stores like the old ALCB stores?
- through licensed liquor and marijuana stores?
- at your neighbourhood grocery stores?
- at 'medical treatment' stores?
Start with pharmacies, and liscence other stores, including 420 stores and convenience stores. Except in dedicated pot stores it should be marketed like cigarettes: available but not prominently displayed.
Replace "pot" in your sentence with "tomato". If by distribution you mean how to get it from the backyard into my house than I guess we're talking about the same thing. This will be a sticky wicket for sure despite the pro-legalization cheerleading. But don't worry, Justin Trudeau and the Libs are hip to the scene.
The present distribution system works pretty good!
Just like cigarettes. End of story.
Read a couple of the Vice Mag stories on the Denver situation and that should clear everything up; it's a mix on in-house production and distribution... like a bakery.
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I pick option B, licensed specialty stores, just like alcohol. A store could be licensed to sell one or the other or both. The existing "420" shops that sell pot-related gadgets would likely be the first to get licensed to sell actual marijuana. Growing could be regulated like tobacco farming.
- government stores like the old ALCB stores? - please no
- through licensed liquor and marijuana stores? - plausible, but unlikely. Although the concept of a "vices" store could work. (porn, liquor, cannabis)
- at your neighbourhood grocery stores? - Please! This would be most ideal. Just like cigarettes.
- at 'medical treatment' stores? - What would most likely happen. Adult dispensaries, for cannabis only.
Its high time to legalize. There is no valid argument to keeping it illegal. The damage inflicted on society from Cannabis being illegal is far greater than any supposed damages of it being legal.
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The whole concept of medical marijuana is a farce, a halfarsed compromise in lieu of full legalization.Originally Posted by Komrade
Alcohol can relieve pain, caffeine can pick you up if you're tired or sick. But we don't push for doctors to prescribe medical booze or java, because those substances are available legally for anyone wishing to self-medicate.
But because governments don't have the guts to legalize pot(and let's face it, the public doesn't have the guts to make them), we're stuck with pretending that it's similar to a pharmeceutical. So we end up with "medical dispensaries" bearing the appearance of head shops, and doctors being pressured to issue prescriptions for people who are essentially recreational users lookng for a buzz under the guise of treatment.
As for the OP's question, I'd go for speciality shops. If we don't see a major need for booze being sold at 7-11, I'm not sure why there would be one for weed.
^It's the topic of legalization, not medicinal. Again, I refer to Vice:
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/t-kid...o-legal-denver
or: http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/i-just-smoked-legal-weed
They have a few more of pre-legalized Denver, but the immediate above article talks about the production and dispensary side of operations. Vice had many articles before on the behind the scenes of the semi-legal/illegal operations of post-November 2012 vote, but in all these articles give Canada the basic idea of how it would operate here; however, they will iron out all the issues and perfect it for us when it comes north. In all it will be easier here after the issues are hashed out south of the 49.
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booze stores and head shops yes. Head shops could get into the boutique pots versus the more generics you may find at a liqour store.
Grocery stores, awww hells yeah, along with booze!!!
Licensed stores after owners have gone through rigorous training and have been thoroughly checked out. If a person is going to sell marijuana they should know the product and different grades of it. Marijuana can be grown in many different ways. It can be blended to have more THC in it or less. If a person just wants marijuana to relax with it can be blended so there are less 'hallucinating' effects. There is high quality marijuana that is made with the flowering buds or low grade that is stems and leaves. The seller should know the blends or be able to recommend blends upon a customers needs. They should also be educated in the side effects of smoking marijuana. If they are going to legalize it they might as well get it right.
Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.
There won't be anything left on the shelves..
"if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"
Good for business!!!There won't be anything left on the shelves..
Wal-mart for the low price guarantee and they have Cheetos....
Drive thru's?
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I don't even want to see legalization or decriminalization of any illicit drugs until the USA softens up their laws. It's already a nuisance crossing the border to get into the USA - I can't imagine the pains it would take if our country softened all our drug laws (even though I think it's a good idea - but it has to go farther than just marijuana, in my opinion).
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They would just treat us like they treat Mexicans
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Uhh the USA legalized adult consumption in 2 states so far already. They are ahead of the times on this issue
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pretty much they have beat us too the punch on this one. *thanks harper/pc crony losers*
Yes, I know that. But those 2 (out of 50) states don't control the US border entrance points, do they?Uhh the USA legalized adult consumption in 2 states so far already.
I don't find this surprising. Despite how Canada likes to project an image of itself as a bastion of progressive liberal attitudes, if one scratches just beneath the surface, it's actually hugely (small c) conservative. When it comes to change, the old "...'cause that's the way we do it here" mantra is still the default setting.
"The only really positive thing one could say about Vancouver is, it’s not the rest of Canada." Oink (britishexpats.com)
I don't find this surprising. Despite how Canada likes to project an image of itself as a bastion of progressive liberal attitudes, if one scratches just beneath the surface, it's actually hugely (small c) conservative. When it comes to change, the old "...'cause that's the way we do it here" mantra is still the default setting.
And how sad is that
If people remember correctly the saddest thing is Canadian officials agreeing to extradite Marc Emery to the US to face some bogus charges for selling Marijuana seeds. Seeds. yes Seeds.
Emery, and many activists in Vancouver were really making headway in furthering the pot lobby.
To this day I feel the crackdown had more to do with US interests feeling too much $ was flowing north than anything else.
Now two US states where you can just walk up and buy pot legally, and Emery still spending time in jail.
Absolute injustice.
10
Sep
DEA Admitted Marc Emery’s Arrest Was Political
submitted by Jodie Emery on September 10, 2011 Tags: arrest, DEA, karen tandy, Marc Emery, Prison, usa
The US Drug Enforcement Administration admitted on the day of Marc Emery’s arrest (July 29th, 2005) that his investigation and extradition were politically motivated, designed to target the Marijuana Legalization organization that Emery spearheaded and ran for over a decade in Canada.
Here is the original text of DEA Administrator Karen Tandy’s statement released on July 29th, 2005:
Today’s DEA arrest of Marc Scott Emery, publisher of Cannabis Culture Magazine, and the founder of a marijuana legalization group — is a significant blow not only to the marijuana trafficking trade in the U.S. and Canada, but also to the marijuana legalization movement.
His marijuana trade and propagandist marijuana magazine have generated nearly $5 million a year in profits that bolstered his trafficking efforts, but those have gone up in smoke today.
Emery and his organization had been designated as one of the Attorney General’s most wanted international drug trafficking organizational targets — one of only 46 in the world and the only one from Canada.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery’s illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marijuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canada. Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on.
"if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"
Just another example of the Canadian govt. cowering to Uncle Sam, God how I hate that.
Maccarthism? Or justified defence against interference in domestic democratic processes?
"Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on."
That's all this was. Marc gave away millions to groups fighting to make Cannabis legal. That's why the Canadian Government gave him to the USA. A disgusting case at best. But he is a martyr of the movement.
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I still suspect that some officials in the US figure there's a high probability of Marijuana essentially being legalized and so a huge new "first-mover" corporate opportunity exists and so a desire to delay legalization in competing markets and countries. Divide and Conquer 101 (or in this case conquer and consolidate a divided market).
Similarly with the Keystone pipeline. As long as they delay it, they pass some advantage to domestic shale oil drillers while weakening the Canadian market position allowing US companies to pick up Canadian assets on the cheap.
There's just no incentive to dispute hardline positions - and possibly even a huge incentive to disingenuously take a hardline position.
International Analysis: Uruguay and Marijuana Legalization
"In fact, if marijuana legalization leads authorities to increase their enforcement efforts in other drug markets, then violence, corruption, and other ills due to prohibition may increase. It would then appear as though marijuana legalization had exacerbated the problems it claims to reduce, thereby supporting the arguments of prohibitionists.
Uruguay’s new law is very restrictive: Individuals can purchase no more than 40 grams of marijuana per month (and must register in a government database), and producers can cultivate no more than six plants unless they join growers’ clubs, which also face strict limits on production. Marijuana can only be sold in state-regulated pharmacies and cannot be exported or sold to tourists. A new Institute for the Regulation and Control of Cannabis will supervise all of this."
http://www.peruviantimes.com/07/inte...ization/21128/
The pharmacies definitely don't want to distribute marijuana.
However in BC the liquor stores do want to.
They'd be ready within a year...Need medical marijuana? You'll have to get it by mail
Under new rules, federal government won't sell it or allow users to grow their own
The Canadian Press Posted: Jun 10, 2013 11:30 AM ET Last Updated: Jun 10, 2013 9:07 PM ET
After two years of study and discussion, the federal government has finalized new rules for medical marijuana and granted a reprieve to pharmacists who opposed the rules in their draft form.
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In previous versions of the regulations, pharmacies were to distribute the product just like other medications, provoking concern from pharmacists, who expressed concerns about dispensing a product without sufficient research. They also cited security concerns.
The final version removes the pharmacists from the loop, leaving patients to rely on mail order for their medical marijuana.
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Pharmacists and physicians alike questioned the lack of ...
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The Canadian Pharmacists Association responded in February to a set of draft rules.
"There is little information available on safety, effectiveness, dosage, drug interactions or long-term health risks," the association said in its letter to Health Canada.
"Pharmacists, physicians and nurse practitioners need evidence-based information to support safe and effective prescribing and dispensing of (medical marijuana)."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/need...mail-1.1306032
B.C. liquor stores press for right to sell legal pot
Longtime pot retailers say they shouldn't be pushed out of the business
CBC News Posted: Dec 02, 2015 11:46 AM PT Last Updated: Dec 03, 2015 2:46 PM PT
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...uana-1.3347228
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It would seem obvious to me it gets sold in liquor stores. They already screen people for age, and have rules regarding the age of staff. It probably should be left to the provinces to decide though.
I would prefer private dispensaries myself. Regulated on all fronts of course, but not in liquor stores. At least not in AB.
With restaurants they segregate the bars and lounges from the standard food services/restaurant side. Maybe all the regulated, sin-tax'able products should be out under one segregated retail roof and don't allow them to mix with healthier retail outlets like grocery stores and pharmacies. (When I was younger I always thought it odd that pharmacies, 7-11s, RedRoosters would sell such unhealthy products (cigarettes) right up front and centre. Now they are hidden but should they even be allowed to sell such products so directly to the public?)
That said, I'd have thought pharmacies would be the obvious choice for any drug but apparently that's not going to happen. ...and they don't sell liquor of caffeine.Still I'd say you want it close to the communities to encourage people to use at home and not when out and about. Especially so with marijuana. Also, I can not see it being a desirable product to have sold in grocery and corner stores which would give it considerable exposure to young kids. Then as for dedicated small corner store / dispensers there would be some risk of a jack of decent control. Say one faces financial issues! would they be more likely to sell to under aged kids to keep their businesses afloat?
So that's sort of pushing the choice out to the regulated and better skilled liquor stores.
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I'm in favour of the Dutch way, through coffeeshops.
Edmonton first, everything else second.
Yuk. They'll be lighting up outside the door or in their vehicles. I don't want to have to beath in gross smoke every time I go to get a tea or coffee.
That's not how it works in Holland.Yuk. They'll be lighting up outside the door or in their vehicles. I don't want to have to beath in gross smoke every time I go to get a tea or coffee.It's very easy to distinguish between the various types establishments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_coffee_shopDutch coffee houses not serving cannabis are called koffiehuis (literally "coffee house"), while a café is the equivalent of a bar.
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In Holland, Coffeeshops sell weed products in all forms, they also serve beverages and have a lounge, Coffee Shops (Starbucks) sell coffee.
Edmonton first, everything else second.
^i think there are a couple of key differences:
1. The Dutch coffee houses came into place before the days when people worried about second hand smoke
2. It's only decriminalized in holland not legalized.
As to those who think it should be sold in pharmacies, I don't think that's any more appropriate than pharmacies selling alcohol. To me, that's the comparable, alcohol is a legal drug and we regulate it (perhaps overly so), by restricting sale to liquor stores. Sure, this approach will upset hippie dope stores, but that's reality, by going legal, it's going commercial.
Except the pharmacies themselves have strongly dismissed the idea of them selling it.
seems that I read that wrong. The pharmacies through their association spoke out against it, but the big businesses (Shoppers, London Drugs ) with pharmacies do seem to want to distribute it.
Pot at the pharmacy? Here are some ways marijuana could be sold in Canada | Globalnews.ca
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“The people who are getting access via Canada Post courier works really well,” said Linton. “The patient interacts directly with the producer on strains, on packaging … and then we evolve our operation to reflect those requirements.”
The Canadian Pharmacists Association said it is concerned about the health effects of marijuana and cautioned the government before proceeding with legalization.
“CPhA is currently reviewing its existing policies to ensure its policy position regarding pharmacist dispensing of medical marijuana reflects patient safety in this evolving area,” the CPhA said in a statement.
Government controlled sales
Another model that has been embraced by the provincial governments like Ontario and B.C. is similar to how beer and liquor is currently sold.
“It makes sense to me that liquor distribution mechanism that we have in place, the LCBO, is very well suited to putting in place the social responsibility aspects that would need to be in place,” Wynne said about recreational users in December.
British Columbia has also eyed the idea of selling pot within the provinces’ liquor stores. The province, unlike Ontario, uses a combination of both private and public retailers. And in Quebec, the province has hinted it would consider selling pot in SAQ (Société des alcools du Québec) outlets.
Dispensaries
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http://globalnews.ca/news/2540626/po...old-in-canada/
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It is highly unlikely that pharmacies will end up selling pot. Reason being that the medical system is already set up with two components (now that the SC ruled home growing is allowed). You can either grow at home, or have it shipped directly to you through health Canada.
As for recreational, it is already illegal in Alberta to sell cigarettes in the same building as a pharmacy. I expect this will be the case for pot as well, given that the same concerns are there.
This 100%
The MMPR was supposed to address the failure of the MMAR. The MMPR was just ruled against by the Supreme Court. This means until the Government 'fixes' the law anyone with a Medical Cannabis card can grow their own medicine legally.
What we will most likely see is Trudeau flip the switch on the MMPR program and allow 'Licensed Producers' IE: Dispensaries sell to the Legal Age Public, not just medical card holders.
If Trudeau is truly serious about Legalization this will also include more licenses being granted to Dispensaries (currently their is only 29 legal dispensaries in Canada, allow the Free Market to dictate as many as needed) and also allow personal growing (as you are allowed to Home Brew beer or grown your own Tobacco)
My hopes / the 'right way' to legalize. Also current restrictions to become a Licensed Producer / Dispensaries is very clearly making it a 'rich mans game' and not the average gardener/mom and pop shop business.
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There are some interesting questions and issues raised in this conversation about legalizing marijuana: http://canadalandshow.com/podcast/le...-poor-people-0
For once, I'm in full agreement with Komrade. Personally, I can't see myself using it. But I'm not sure that it couldn't be regulated the same as beer and wine. Both of those have health effects and age limits. But I can get them in the Big Liquor Store, the mom and pop across the street from me, or I can visit my sister who makes her own wine.
One benefit would be that people who find that it helps their symptoms (whatever they are) can have access in the same way as I can pop over to the pharmacy to get my cold stuff, or my headache and pain stuff, or my vitamins. And those things aren't entirely harmless either.
Promoters of alternative energy schemes push various strategies often arguing that Canada is forever missing the boat to be a world leader and exporter of green technologies and not just a buyer.
So with marijuana should Alberta be a producer or importer?
Is Alberta missing the boat? Will non-Alberta companies, maybe US companies dominate the market before we have a chance?
Does it have potential to be any of: an economic diversifier, user of captured CO2, waste heat or whatever, an alternative tax base for municipalities, and source of more provincial government revenue, a jobs generator, etc.
We are already an importer, its called BC Bud for a reason.
Alberta is already a producer. We have a major commercial medical marijuana grow operation, and several more in planning. I imagine these will transition to recreational supply after the laws change.
This.
Cannabis is very hardy and can be grown in doors with relative ease. Each region would grow their own. Imports would be minimal.
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Recreational weed could be a $22.6B industry: study
https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/que...?client=safari
Intersting (below). I didn't know such ads were even done back then...
I wonder what legalizing pot will do for the ad business.
'Go ahead, you deserve it!' Unbelievable adverts from the 1970s for COCAINE show companies glamorising drug use and promise 'truly exquisite snorting'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...-snorting.html
Well, that's not TOO shocking, as anyone who has been inside a head-shop can tell you, drug paraphenalia gets sold quite openly. I'm surprised to see those ads were so up-front about what the products were for, though I do notice that a few of them cover their legal asses by refering to the substance as "snow", or not mentioning it at all.
Legalizing pot won't do anything for the advertising business, given the ban on radio ads, television commercials, event sponsoring, promotional giveaways & in-store displays for cigarettes plus they're looking to move towards a similar ban for alcohol advertising; it's more than likely that cannabis would have similar restrictions.
Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!
Then there's an opportunity here on c2e for a "Best Dope in Edmonton" thread. Think of the participants it would attract, all in the name of free speech and expression.
So if Foodies are into food, what would we call folks into pot? Potties? Weedies? Dopies?
I am in no way entitled to your opinion...
We are Cannabis Connoisseurs
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^ Cannies? CanConnies? Stoners will need something real short.
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Pot head has long been the most common term, hence why places that sell bongs etc are called "head shops".
Addleheads.
Or, best of all, simply, directly, and charitably:
Smokers.
Marijuana is no different from tobacco in any way that makes any sense. It is as fashionable medically to prescribe one now as it was the other several decades ago.
I think it should be sold side by side with any other kind of cigarettes, in the same place and subject to the same markings, restrictions, and requirements for proof of age.
Shoppers Drug Mart have applied for a licence to sell legal medical marijuana. Not to sure who is going to supply the non prescribed stuff.
Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.
Alberta is to go the private outlet approach.
As for Shoppers Drug Mart I foresee problems as I can’t see pharmacies ever selling non-medical product. They just took away “rewards” points because of their potentially negative health impacts, so businesses like Shoppers might face considerable ‘official’ resistance.
Bolding mine
Quebec unveils ‘rigorous’ legalized-marijuana laws, while Alberta embraces the private sector | National Post
“On Thursday, Alberta also released its pot plans, which include setting no limits on the number of private stores that can sell cannabis once retail sales are legalized next July. The NDP government said it would look to private retailers to sell marijuana from brick-and-mortar storefronts, instead of government-run outlets.”
http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...islation-today
Marijuana to be sold through private stores in Manitoba
STEVE LAMBERT
WINNIPEG
THE CANADIAN PRESS
NOVEMBER 13, 2017
NOVEMBER 7, 2017
The Opposition NDP, as well as public-sector union leaders, have argued that sales should be done exclusively through government-run stores. Workers at the government's liquor stores are already trained to handle intoxicants, they said.
"We've got staff ... that are trained to be able to identify if (customers) are minors," Michelle Gawronsky, president of the Manitoba Government and General Employees Union, said Tuesday.
"They know how to card people. They know not to sell to folks that are already intoxicated. They know how to put public safety first and foremost."
But the Progressive Conservative government said private outlets overseen by government regulators is the best way to ensure a legal system can compete with the black market.
"This model will keep the profits from cannabis sales out of the hands of gangs and organized crime by ensuring adequate supply and accessibility," Justice Minister Heather Stefanson said. ...”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle36861745/
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Sellers, now criminals, will be able to go legit. Those that don't will really be pushing the hard stuff now.
Nope
If you have a criminal record, your chance of being a legit dealer with a licence is ZERO.
I was watching the CBC interview and Jodie Emery made a lot of sense that only big corporations and cigarette companies will be able to afford all the costs and regulations that were created to hinder small players. Jodie was furious that former police officers who arrested marijuana growers and users who end up with permanent records and will be shut out of selling pot, are the same police officers that are now heading or investing in legalized pot and the government that persecuted them and imprisoned them are now wanting to profit from pot but will not allow them in the market. . Basically her argument is that the oppressors are now the profiteers
Global Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=per614_NBJk
related
http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/emery-the-liberals-have-lied-their-pot-plan-is-not-legalization
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No, that statement in bold is not correct.
If my bus drive is a pack a day tobacco smoker or a pack a day pot smoker, there is a safety issue with one and not the former.
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^^ Yes, that was a mistake. Anyone whose only conviction is for a drug trafficking offense (with no convictions for violent crimes or fraud) should be able to get a sales license.
As for the Alberta plan, I think the private store approach is the right one, but I don't like the government distribution monopoly. We seem to be able to collect excise taxes on tobacco without a government distribution monopoly, so why can't we apply the same process to marijuana (and to alcohol for that matter)?
Canada should heed warning from Oregon’s flooded pot market: economists
https://globalnews.ca/news/4222469/p...anada-warning/
As marijuana farmers in Oregon say a flood of supply is killing their businesses less than three years after recreational cannabis was legalized, economists say it’s a warning to Canada.
Stephen Easton, professor of economics at Simon Fraser University and senior fellow at the Fraser Institute, says large fluctuations in price and supply are bound to happen when you create a legal market where an illegal market already exists“I saw just massive fields planted on Instagram, just huge acres and I just knew that was going to be the result,” she said in an interview.
While she once sold her pot to a wholesaler for $2,200US per pound, she said that dipped to $600 per pound.
Cordell said she’s planning to pull the plug entirely on recreational pot and focus on medical marijuana and hemp products until new markets open up across the country.
“I think I am going to actually give up my licence and wait for nationwide legalization to happen, just because the market is terrible,” Cordell said.
Oregon’s inventory of marijuana is staggering for a state its size. There are nearly 450,000 kilograms of usable flower in the system, and an additional 159,000 kilograms of marijuana extracts, edibles and tinctures.
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Guys with guns on dope
Toronto cops who allegedly consumed pot edibles now face charges
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toront...rges-1.3941846
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She’s exactly right. Sometimes things just work that way.
So when they broke the law of the day (with some disregard for society), I suppose one ‘could’ now say that they were conscientious combatators.
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Interesting:
Canada cannabis entrepreneurs 'could face US lifetime ban' - BBC News
“Canadian cannabis entrepreneurs and investors could face a lifetime ban from the US over their involvement in the industry, US media report.“
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45478939
This was on a CBC business news (?) a month ago. As I see it, it is more of politics than law as far as I'm concern. Call it protectionism if you will.
" The strength of a man is in the stride he walks."
Yeah maybe. However does it matter? They don’t even really know how marijuana ended up as a banned product in the first place. Nonetheless once it had that status the regulatory and legal rules hardened and lives got permanently altered through criminal records etc.
Not sure if many would be affected by a ban on entering the US. May not matter at all to many people.
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https://edmontonjournal.com
headline: Province ramps up ‘Cannabis 101’
first sentence: A blunt education campaign on cannabis consumption...says the provincial cannabis program manager.
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As long as it's a joint venture, I'm OK with it.
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