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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    Looks like the entire building is prepped and they're ready to install the actual end product, of which a small section is visible near the swooping front/side. So contrary to the popular belief earlier in this thread, it is not essentially a standing seam roof. I'm looking forward to having a full side done so we can get a real understanding of what the finished product will look like rather than the constant barrage of negativity that this thread has turned into.
    i'm pretty sure the vertical "board and batten" is the finished zinc cladding and the small section you're looking at is still to be covered... you can see some of that sequencing in IanO's photos in post 804.

    the window caps and flashings and mulions all look complete until you get to that point as well.

    the south side and then wrapping north on the east and west elevations is, as near as i can tell, the "full side done" you're looking for. the fact you think it still looks like a building prepped and ready for the actual end product speaks volumes.
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    Maybe it's the angle, but that section does not look like what was installed below everything else to me.

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    I just had a sneak peak at the new Capilano branch (opens in 2 days), and I asked one of the communications people there about the Milner exterior. She said that there's only a small patch of the exterior that's done with the finished product (I don't think it's zinc, she used a different name). Most of what you see is not the finished product. I also mentioned to her about this thread.
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    In all honest, it is irrelevant how the lipstick is applied to the pig. The design conception is wrong from the very start; on top of which, the architect firm- which we paid for their services- stole the design from a local.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    I just had a sneak peak at the new Capilano branch (opens in 2 days), and I asked one of the communications people there about the Milner exterior. She said that there's only a small patch of the exterior that's done with the finished product (I don't think it's zinc, she used a different name). Most of what you see is not the finished product. I also mentioned to her about this thread.
    there might be "only a small patch" on the front but what looks like finished "board and batten" material on site as shown in the above photos looks pretty close to the finished material shown on their own web-site:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    Looks like the entire building is prepped and they're ready to install the actual end product, of which a small section is visible near the swooping front/side. So contrary to the popular belief earlier in this thread, it is not essentially a standing seam roof. I'm looking forward to having a full side done so we can get a real understanding of what the finished product will look like rather than the constant barrage of negativity that this thread has turned into.
    I agree. We know little with any certainty of its final appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    I just had a sneak peak at the new Capilano branch (opens in 2 days), and I asked one of the communications people there about the Milner exterior. She said that there's only a small patch of the exterior that's done with the finished product (I don't think it's zinc, she used a different name). Most of what you see is not the finished product. I also mentioned to her about this thread.
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    I took a stroll past after work and it appears Ken is right. I had it backwards. It's still not as bad as some here are making it out to be, but not what we were sold in the renderings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I took a stroll past after work and it appears Ken is right. I had it backwards. It's still not as bad as some here are making it out to be, but not what we were sold in the renderings.
    Never are. Those are just slick marketing devices used by sleazy salesmen and the sleazy committees seeking approval.

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    Some kind of siding is going up (top right).
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    The interiors and function of the revised Milner will be fantastic... and I will hold my comments on the exterior until it is complete, but I am not thrilled at the moment.
    I heard from someone else today that the interior is very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    The interiors and function of the revised Milner will be fantastic... and I will hold my comments on the exterior until it is complete, but I am not thrilled at the moment.

    emphasis added...

    isnt that a comment?
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    One good thing about it is this, city council will have to stare at this juggernaut on a daily dosage.

    Off topic, does anyone know what is happening at the fountain pool at city hall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    One good thing about it is this, city council will have to stare at this juggernaut on a daily dosage.

    Off topic, does anyone know what is happening at the fountain pool at city hall?
    City Council decided it did not want a knee deep ďpoolĒ and wanted to get rid of the children out of front. So itís a foot splash area - kids need to go to the Legislature for fun. Such a bother those future voters are for the bureaucrats.

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    I’ve wondered if the roof angles will create any interesting reflections of sunlight. (High daytime sun in summer might reflect northward a bit after a rain, moisture or frost and possibly even snow could add to its refectiveness.)

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    Liking the windows, but those beams make it look like a pedway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    The interiors and function of the revised Milner will be fantastic... and I will hold my comments on the exterior until it is complete, but I am not thrilled at the moment.

    emphasis added...

    isnt that a comment?
    I won’t comment on whether or not it’s a comment even though, at the moment it sounds like it.

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    Yep, not an attractive feature to have beams right in front of the windows to obscure them.

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    True, but I guess question is if those beams had to be there?
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    ^ Probably had needed to be, not a great look none the less.

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    They were either there originally, or added to support the false front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K364 View Post
    They were either there originally, or added to support the false front.
    either way, with the angled non-continuous windows prevalent elsewhere, youíd think they could have done a better job hiding them/incorporating them in the wall construction...
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Liking the windows, but those beams make it look like a pedway!
    That’s what it is isn’t it? Outer wall walkway.


    They may become a non issue as other interior pieces and furnishings are put into place. Like most buildings, people will normally be looking inwards and only periodically looking outwards.


    Also one needs to view the angled beams against the backdrop of the the angles on City Hall with its pyramidal roof. (Same goes for the angled windows - cladding on the exterior).



    Now, if I were designing the re-cladding I might have instead mirrored the overall look of City Hall. Vertical front topped (maybe some similar pillars) with a backset sloped roof angled to match the angles on City Hall’s glass roof. Maybe steel with glass or glassed balconies inset into a copycat (aka “sympathetic complementary” hahaha ) pyramidal “form” ( aka shape). Possibly not peaked unless something could be used in the peak beside hearing cooling equipment, such as a conference room, meeting space, display area for events. Matching roof angles might have been tricky depending on distances the tower was from the streets on the east and west sides. In fact, the north face wall could have been mirrored to reflect back City Hall and Churchill Square.
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    Did anyone figure out if that south-side cladding is final? I've seen some material on top of the west side so it might not be done yet. Here's hoping.

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    Are you taking about the corrugated material? Iím almost 100 percent certain thatís not the final cladding because they said it would be a zinc exterior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Are you taking about the corrugated material? Iím almost 100 percent certain thatís not the final cladding because they said it would be a zinc exterior.
    yeah the upper grey material. Post #899 shows it well. Looks like they could fit something in between the sides maybe but I'm no expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmontonian108 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Are you taking about the corrugated material? Iím almost 100 percent certain thatís not the final cladding because they said it would be a zinc exterior.
    yeah the upper grey material. Post #899 shows it well. Looks like they could fit something in between the sides maybe but I'm no expert.
    Yeah they usually use corrugated material underneath a final exterior cladding on buildings like this to help strengthen and reinforce it with added incentive of flexibility.

    I doubt theyíre gonna leave it looking like a Quonset.

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    Fascinating that here with a public building, interested citizens can’t determine even such basics as the final cladding on the project. “You get what you get and you don’t get upset.”

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    Listened to part of this interview. Interesting. Mentions Fahrenheit 451, Carnegie’s donations of library buildings as long as the community promised support...


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    It's Orlean's natural curiosity that makes her work so distinctive. From Rolling Stone to Vogue to The New Yorker — where she's been a staff writer for more than 25 years — she's earned a reputation for surprising...”


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    Oh look, they're putting lipstick on a pig.

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    maybe if it were buried in a mountain so the outside was not visible...

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    Finished cladding is definitely that raised seam Grey barn siding. It comes with peel off plastic protection. Too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    Huh? Tall and cylindrical?

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    Easier to say than, "The grain bin"



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    What I do not get is that our many years working on winter city design guidelines suggesting warmer materials, not grey, and not metal seem to have been less than adhered to in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    What I do not get is that our many years working on winter city design guidelines suggesting warmer materials, not grey, and not metal seem to have been less than adhered to in this case.
    i thought you were going to reserve comment until it was done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    What I do not get is that our many years working on winter city design guidelines suggesting warmer materials, not grey, and not metal seem to have been less than adhered to in this case.
    i thought you were going to reserve comment until it was done?
    Ohhh its done alright

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Finished cladding is definitely that raised seam Grey barn siding. It comes with peel off plastic protection. Too bad.
    Materials shouldn’t be typecast like that. Standing seam can be a great product and you’ll rarely see it on a barn. It’s like spruce vs walnut or cherry. Both the application and the value can vary dramatically with dramatically different appearances depending on how it’s applied.

    Then there’s the quality of the product itself. I have two boathouses both roofed with standing seam metal. Neither even needed sheathing under the metal. Now zinc, copper or aluminum might be a far, far higher priced type of material that they could have used. Great looking but soft so all might be fine until a hail storm pounds the life out of them and dents the shingles or panels all to hell.

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    The exterior would have been nicer, with the same material, if only they installed it with random widths of standing seam.

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    https://www.architectural-review.com...cmcyejlXIn0%3D

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    i am still hopeful for the interiors although that may have to continue to come from library operations and not its architecture.

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    Coloured glass is now up on the north elevation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    https://www.architectural-review.com...cmcyejlXIn0%3D

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    i am still hopeful for the interiors although that may have to continue to come from library operations and not its architecture.

    On designing around library operations, I was astounded to learn that Frank Lloyd Wright designed poorly functioning but aesthetically pleasing furniture for his clients and required that they take it with the house. What a *****.



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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Coloured glass is now up on the north elevation.

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    This building just looks wrong...my gawd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Star View Post
    This building just looks wrong...my gawd.
    Why's that?

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    IanO, thanks for posting the photo!

    Interesting that the cladding (or is it a sub-layer) on this side looks to have a silver / galvanized look to it.

    As an aside, I know other buildings downtown have sloped metal roofs so my early postings of concern about avalanches didn’t seem valid. However, I do note in the photo that some snow fall seems to have slid downward. I would assume that that risk to street level pedestrians has, or will be addressed. (Or the risk of a few tonnes of snow and ice crashing down vertically orientated, at speed, on a lower roof.)
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    ^

    still ugly...

    some if those proportions and transitions and selected shapes are just strange.

    on the other hand, i never thought i would see a picture of canada place with another building in it that would make it look graceful and well proportioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    ^

    still ugly...

    some if those proportions and transitions and selected shapes are just strange.

    on the other hand, i never thought i would see a picture of canada place with another building in it that would make it look graceful and well proportioned.


    lol..........

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    I try to stay positive, but..........this is going to be one ugly oversized building. Do not understand how our city could have approved this.

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    I always thought it was ugly, the inside will be great though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    I try to stay positive, but..........this is going to be one ugly oversized building. Do not understand how our city could have approved this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    ^

    still ugly...

    some if those proportions and transitions and selected shapes are just strange.

    on the other hand, i never thought i would see a picture of canada place with another building in it that would make it look graceful and well proportioned.
    The biggest problem I have with Canada Place is that it's unfinished and will probably never be finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
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    still ugly...

    some if those proportions and transitions and selected shapes are just strange.

    on the other hand, i never thought i would see a picture of canada place with another building in it that would make it look graceful and well proportioned.
    The biggest problem I have with Canada Place is that it's unfinished and will probably never be finished.

    Is it really a problem lol.
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    A problem? No. Does it make the entire building look unfinished? Yes, it does. Meanwhile, the government continues to rent space in other buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    I try to stay positive, but..........this is going to be one ugly oversized building. Do not understand how our city could have approved this.
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    Touche. ..
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    Yeah this is the “Real Estate and Development” forum thread. Not a program and operating / services thread.

    However, does much of this discussion more appropriately belong in the Architecture and Design thread.



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    Who cares?

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    KC cannot see what he himself posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    A problem? No. Does it make the entire building look unfinished? Yes, it does. Meanwhile, the government continues to rent space in other buildings.
    The govt doesnít even own the building. If the space was there, it would be rented.

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    Yes, probably to the government. For the reason that they built Canada Place in the first place, to keep the various government offices close to each other.

    But, it's a very Edmonton "let's do things halfway and call it good enough" sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Yes, probably to the government. For the reason that they built Canada Place in the first place, to keep the various government offices close to each other.

    But, it's a very Edmonton "let's do things halfway and call it good enough" sort of thing.
    It's who's responsibility in Edmonton to dictate how the GoC loses space exactly?

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    It's not but it's typical of things here. For example, look at Canada Place in Vancouver, notice how unfinished it looks? Oh right, it isn't.

    OEG knows it as well and they are willing to put forward an unfinished plaza unless they city pony up more money. "Remember thaose rendering os all the stuff going on in Oiler's Plaza? Well, it's gonna cost you."

    Even going back into the 1970's with the first bike routes that ended up with unconnected sections. It's just something that is intrinsic to Edmonton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It's not but it's typical of things here. For example, look at Canada Place in Vancouver, notice how unfinished it looks? Oh right, it isn't.

    OEG knows it as well and they are willing to put forward an unfinished plaza unless they city pony up more money. "Remember thaose rendering os all the stuff going on in Oiler's Plaza? Well, it's gonna cost you."

    Even going back into the 1970's with the first bike routes that ended up with unconnected sections. It's just something that is intrinsic to Edmonton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It's not but it's typical of things here. For example, look at Canada Place in Vancouver, notice how unfinished it looks? Oh right, it isn't.

    OEG knows it as well and they are willing to put forward an unfinished plaza unless they city pony up more money. "Remember thaose rendering os all the stuff going on in Oiler's Plaza? Well, it's gonna cost you."

    Even going back into the 1970's with the first bike routes that ended up with unconnected sections. It's just something that is intrinsic to Edmonton.
    Canada Place in Vancouver is a convention centre and venue...
    Every City has things that didn't go as originally planned out... I mean look at the Vancouver Seawall and their City Hall. The interior of this building will hopefully be almost as good as the Calgary one or some of the newer branches in the City. Fulton Ravine / Capilano branch is really nice.
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    I walked around the perimeter of the library today and albeit I donít think itís going to get on the front page of architecture magazines, I feel it doesnít have the awful street presence that I was expecting.

    I still think rebuilding from the ground up was the right thing to do, but I also encourage people to walk down to Churchill and get an in person loom to make their call. I didnít mind what I saw.

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    ^ that is always the sense I get when I'm around that area. I actually don't mind it so far. We'll see what the finished product looks like.
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    One thing that will help this building is that there will be two entrances, and especially that there will be an entrance facing the plaza south of the building.
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    During the day a lot will depend on how the light reflects off the building's exterior and the color and shading that it creates. At night it will benefit from the light and activity emanating from the windows. For some reason I had a dream recently where the exterior was corrugated aluminum which obviously didn't look too good.

    I am rather disappointed that it won't have the entrance way and the extensive use of glass depicted from this rendering. This had a very inviting presence.

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    Indeed. Itís too bad we are getting what we are getting instead of that. Itís still not a 10/10 but itís a solid 8 instead of the 6 we are getting. Oh well.

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    Well the glass above the entrance isn't there but the entrance is still going to be the same for the most part as in this render.
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    ^The power of the entranceway from the rendering is the pseudo archway that the large expanse of glass creates, in essence what appears to be a "natural" portal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    KC cannot see what he himself posted.
    Real-Estate & DevelopmentThis forum looks at specific real estate projects and developments - past, present, and future - in the Edmonton area. Here’s where to look for updates on developments, read about new projects, suggest improvements to buildings or other projects.
    The library certainly could use suggestions to improve the looks of this gastly renovation in Deconstructivism Tin Shackery...
    I’m saying that this ship has sailed. We get what we get, whether we get upset or not. Speaking of which, any photo updates on what we’ll be getting? Any last minute “transformative” cladding being applied over the battleship grey?

    So, I’m not posting under architecture and design because we lack an appropriate thread on successful re-dos of existing buildings.

    We do have some good material now on unsuccessful re-dos for some great conceptual debates.
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    SIGH....!
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    The “construction” people sure liked it:

    Stanley A. Milner Library rising to become a showcase structure

    JOC News Service May 25, 2018

    https://canada.constructconnect.com/...case-structure

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    I know, I know, we all need to wait for the project to be finished to pass judgement, but it's pretty obvious to many of its outcome. Now, I'm just wondering how many years until the next reclad and whether I'll live that long to see that, lol.

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    It won't be a disaster but a major fail in vission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonicboom View Post



    I'm being facetious. Will reserve final judgment for the grand opening. My hope is that the exterior does present itself better than a typical industrial or farm outbuilding. Perhaps designers / planners fully expected the perception problems this type of facade would garner. I could be wrong about the final exterior. I hope that I am.

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    I see the former rectangle shape; i see the stealthy angles; and I definitely see the corrugated resembled metal works. All that is missing is windows; otherwise, it is a vague example.
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    We must not judge a book by its cover - but if you deface one...


    Also I see that they updated the website - with words only.



    Imagine Milner | Edmonton Public Library
    https://www.epl.ca/about-the-stanley...evitalization/

    For Feb. 14: Heart shaped books! Innovative design! Imagine that!

    https://i0.wp.com/www.ibookbinding.c...9s-2.jpg?ssl=1
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    New renders & information available:

    http://www.epl.ca/about-the-stanley-...evitalization/
    http://www.epl.ca/milner-is-moving/







    (More photos available at the links above)


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    This new rendering is disgusting. Please fire the person that came up with this and hire someone more capable of creating something nice.
    I think it's pretty cool looking. It has that stealth navy destroyer look to it. A bit of a snow drift look I suppose but I still see stealthiness.



    http://www.defensasur.com.ar/imagene...20Stealth3.jpg
    I think that if not stealth, it still has potential for that cool armoured-fortress-of-a-dystopian-future look. Not many cities outside of a few in Russia and North Korea will be able to claim to have this rare architectural form.

    I am very pleased that those in City Hall will get a chance to look at the final product - every single day.
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    Rare architecture? It was a stolen concept from right across Churchill. More like uninspired and uncreative if you ask me. For this brain fart of an effort in design, how much did it cost us?
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    ^Thankfully this is one of the cheaper city screw ups lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Rare architecture? It was a stolen concept from right across Churchill. More like uninspired and uncreative if you ask me. For this brain fart of an effort in design, how much did it cost us?
    Totally accurate. This building will look incredibly cheap, with very little thought put into it. Shape wise, great, materials, atrocious.

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    I wonder how long before the windows are covered when all the creeps start looking in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    I think that if not stealth, it still has potential for that cool armoured-fortress-of-a-dystopian-future look. Not many cities outside of a few in Russia and North Korea will be able to claim to have this rare architectural form.

    I am very pleased that those in City Hall will get a chance to look at the final product - every single day.
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Rare architecture? It was a stolen concept from right across Churchill. More like uninspired and uncreative if you ask me. For this brain fart of an effort in design, how much did it cost us?
    - - - just went right over...

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    Cant believe no one has posted some pictures of the library construction progress of the cladding.
    Quite like the design they did for a simple student service centre in the USA but the design here is so subpar: http://www.teeplearch.com/portfolio/...rvices-center/
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Cant believe no one has posted some pictures of the library construction progress of the cladding.
    Quite like the design they did for a simple student service centre in the USA but the design here is so subpar: http://www.teeplearch.com/portfolio/...rvices-center/
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Cant believe no one has posted some pictures of the library construction progress of the cladding.
    Quite like the design they did for a simple student service centre in the USA but the design here is so subpar: http://www.teeplearch.com/portfolio/...rvices-center/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magnus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Star View Post
    This building just looks wrong...my gawd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Cant believe no one has posted some pictures of the library construction progress of the cladding.
    Quite like the design they did for a simple student service centre in the USA but the design here is so subpar: http://www.teeplearch.com/portfolio/...rvices-center/
    Buildings all over the country use metal panels that somewhat mimic stone blocks. Standing seam panels create a completely different look.

    If anything standing seam mimics board and batten. That can also be fine. A lot of now long gone buildings used to use long boards as roofing. (Shingles and slate were unavailable.) Actually even some large long lasting indigenous structures used boards.)

    Colour is also very important when using what are traditionally see as industrial materials. (Which can cost far more than seemingly more expensive materials.) In my mind what appears to be a plan for 100% grey was a very risk choice.

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    I think that if not stealth, it still has potential for that cool armoured-fortress-of-a-dystopian-future look. Not many cities outside of a few in Russia and North Korea will be able to claim to have this rare architectural form.

    I am very pleased that those in City Hall will get a chance to look at the final product - every single day.
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Rare architecture? It was a stolen concept from right across Churchill. More like uninspired and uncreative if you ask me. For this brain fart of an effort in design, how much did it cost us?
    - - - just went right over...
    No, i didnt missed his sarcasm; hewent for the polite route, and I just spout the honest thought in my head. I don't care to chase around the bush. A as an artist, I wouldn't appreciate my work be devalued in such a manner. Dub was inspired from many elements of Alberta when the city hall was redesigned and built in the mid 80s, so I'm curious what this firm's inspiration point was that lead to an almost mirrorred structure as City Hall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
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    I think that if not stealth, it still has potential for that cool armoured-fortress-of-a-dystopian-future look. Not many cities outside of a few in Russia and North Korea will be able to claim to have this rare architectural form.

    I am very pleased that those in City Hall will get a chance to look at the final product - every single day.
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Rare architecture? It was a stolen concept from right across Churchill. More like uninspired and uncreative if you ask me. For this brain fart of an effort in design, how much did it cost us?
    - - - just went right over...
    No, i didnt missed his sarcasm; hewent for the polite route, and I just spout the honest thought in my head. I don't care to chase around the bush. A as an artist, I wouldn't appreciate my work be devalued in such a manner. Dub was inspired from many elements of Alberta when the city hall was redesigned and built in the mid 80s, so I'm curious what this firm's inspiration point was that lead to an almost mirrorred structure as City Hall?
    Iím still hopeful for an interesting finished product. At the same time Iím somewhat unable to envision a dramatic change from what Iím seeing now. It wonít be the first time that Iíve disliked a work in progress and loved the end product. (I fear budgets and costing was behind what seems to be a downgrade in design.)

    As for it being a mirror image of the City Hall, that may be the end result but I saw it more as an evolution/devolution from the earlier sketches which were quite interesting and not much like a pyramid on a podium. One, my favourite, looked - to me - like the layering of windsweep snow as it drifts.

    For some bizarre to me reason, the current product reminds me of our Gateway to the North / northern exploration / industrial heritage. Maybe itís an old Aircraft Repair / NWI building(s) that my mind is connecting it to. Or some other lost building. The diagonal windows on the side look VERY familiar to me but I sure canít pin down where Iíve seen that look.

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    The back (please excuse the crappy phone shot):

    ďSon, one day this will be an iconic structure shaping Edmontonís skyline.Ē

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    Pretty underwheming....

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    just underwhelming. 'Pretty' need not apply..
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