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    To be honest and my perspective, i dont care to dine with people above potentially looking down or fkick their cigarette ashes on my food. The stantec Podium is a better choice imo.
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    A bit off topic, but I'm pleasantly surprised now prominent Symphony is from that vantage point.

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    I absolutely love this angle of our fair city.


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    Ah. Looks like the crown is taking its final form already. Maybe there aren't going to be any additional non-concrete core "floors" above after all.

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    ^ That's too bad. I was expecting 10 more floors heh

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    Good morning.

    I did archive the latest duplicate photo derail.

    I would rather post about this in a separate thread. Please continue to discuss the topic of this thread.
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    Love the early morning sunrise shot!

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    Cool shot

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    Good job on the photographer capitalizing on the heavy air settling around downtown lately.
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    View from the Sunlife building yesterday:

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    Any idea why they needed to raise the JW crane so high on its last bump up when the tower now appears to be topped off? I.e. the crane on Raymond Block is a mere few meters above the roof of the top floor, the JW crane looks to be some 30+ meters above the topped off height.

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    Maybe to keep clear of Stantec's crane?

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    If only they had a luffing jib, eh DM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick5150 View Post
    If only they had a luffing jib, eh DM?
    its about damned time we have started to use them but only on other projects it's a shame they didnt use them on stantec or JW tbh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magnus View Post
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    If only they had a luffing jib, eh DM?
    its about damned time we have started to use them but only on other projects it's a shame they didnt use them on stantec or JW tbh
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
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    If only they had a luffing jib, eh DM?
    its about damned time we have started to use them but only on other projects it's a shame they didnt use them on stantec or JW tbh
    Why?
    Luffing jib cranes just look cool and they shout "big city" to me. It makes sense to use them in tighter streetscapes and higher density locations where you don't necessarily have room for a tower crane's swing radius, which is why (I'm assuming) Clark is using one for the Maclaren site?

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    At minimum to meet OH&S's construction law and to meet the distance of objects being flown up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FitzGer View Post
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    If only they had a luffing jib, eh DM?
    its about damned time we have started to use them but only on other projects it's a shame they didnt use them on stantec or JW tbh
    Why?
    Luffing jib cranes just look cool and they shout "big city" to me. It makes sense to use them in tighter streetscapes and higher density locations where you don't necessarily have room for a tower crane's swing radius, which is why (I'm assuming) Clark is using one for the Maclaren site?
    Because they look cool? It's a piece of construction equipment. It needs do it's job for the most effective cost, looks are irrelevant.

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    If only they had a luffing jib, eh DM?
    its about damned time we have started to use them but only on other projects it's a shame they didnt use them on stantec or JW tbh
    Why?
    Luffing jib cranes just look cool and they shout "big city" to me. It makes sense to use them in tighter streetscapes and higher density locations where you don't necessarily have room for a tower crane's swing radius, which is why (I'm assuming) Clark is using one for the Maclaren site?
    Because they look cool? It's a piece of construction equipment. It needs do it's job for the most effective cost, looks are irrelevant.
    Lol, I wasnít suggesting contractors should start using luffing jib cranes just because they look cool, I simply stated that i think they look cool.

    And of course itís about cost and benefit. Thatís why I followed up with the Maclaren site remark. Iíd be interested in the details behind the desision to use a luffing job crane at that site, and not at other seemingly tight sites, especially some of the ones downtown -the ultima or encore sites for instance. Besides site size limitations and proximity to nearby buildings, I wonder what other variables are considered.

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    Maybe property trespass? Some aren't comfortable having a crane directly above it I imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RicoLance21 View Post
    Maybe property trespass? Some aren't comfortable having a crane directly above it I imagine.
    Yes, that is one of the primary reasons for the use of a luffing jib vs. horizontal.

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    I did some digging and according to a research paper by Leor Margulies of Robins Appleby & Taub (Law firm in Toronto), the law in Canada is unsettled regarding air space property rights, particularly with regards to whether or not an over-sailing crane can/should be deemed trespassing or just a nuisance. There have been cases where judges have favored contractors as they have had difficulty accepting the landowners' rights to air space when the owner could not reasonably use the air space and could not demonstrate that they suffered any incurred harm from the crane's overhead presence. In those case, some judges have issued delayed injunctions to allow the contractor to complete construction. That said, I'm sure most contractors would rather avoid any legal hassle if they encountered a resident that was going to fight them on this issue. Interesting that it's not black and white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FitzGer View Post
    I did some digging and according to a research paper by Leor Margulies of Robins Appleby & Taub (Law firm in Toronto), the law in Canada is unsettled regarding air space property rights, particularly with regards to whether or not an over-sailing crane can/should be deemed trespassing or just a nuisance. There have been cases where judges have favored contractors as they have had difficulty accepting the landowners' rights to air space when the owner could not reasonably use the air space and could not demonstrate that they suffered any incurred harm from the crane's overhead presence. In those case, some judges have issued delayed injunctions to allow the contractor to complete construction. That said, I'm sure most contractors would rather avoid any legal hassle if they encountered a resident that was going to fight them on this issue. Interesting that it's not black and white.
    the legal discussions in areas like these are certainly interesting.

    there are related conversations that are less visible but very similar regarding the underpinning needed to secure below grade shoring in place. those are somewhat more interesting than the crane discussion in that the horizontal piles and rebar are typically abandoned "in place" after construction is completed as - unlike the cranes - there is no way to physically remove them.
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    Nice photo. Love how the sun squeezed between the two towers.
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    Anyone know when the pedways between Edmonton Tower-JW and Stantec-JW will get put in?

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    ^ Wow. I would have never imagined a 5 star hotel in Edmonton!

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    It has to come at some point, and here it is.This is just the beginning in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    That’s excellent - I think.

    What does “five star” mean in Canada?

    In some places I know that it means some sort of strict legal or association criteria are met and placed on some rating scale, hence the prestige association. In Canada? I have no idea.

    Also, how can it be rated before its open and running for a while?


    I’m back - there’s 7 star hotels. Hmm.

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    “In North America, the CAA and American Automobile Association jointly patrol the hotel (and restaurant) scene, with 10 inspectors in Canada visiting about 1,200 properties each week.

    I did a hotel inspection in Montreal with the CAA a few years ago and it was both fun and informative. The inspector checked under beds for left-behind unmentionables, noted the types of tile in the bathrooms and even examined the top of the inside of hotel-room microwaves.”

    The CAA and AAA have rigid sets of rules. Five-diamond hotels (the switch to diamonds from stars occurred after the organization's 75th anniversary a few years ago) need a certain number of wooden coat hangers, as well as a couple for silky fabrics. I also was told a five-star hotel doesn't bolt its hair dryers to the wall. Instead, a classy hotel that wants five-diamond status wraps the dryer up in a nice bag and places it on a very clean shelf in a very clean closet.

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    5 stars refers to the highest end price point and service is my understanding.
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    What makes a hotel five-star? Or seven-star? - The Globe and Mail
    ď...need a certain number of wooden coat hangers, as well as a couple for silky fabrics.
    Sooo... your telling me that I've been paying an extra $100/night so I can hang my silky fabrics?

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    JW Marriott Edmonton @JWMarriottEdm

    Should mention that we will be a 4 star property, not a 5.

    https://twitter.com/JWMarriottEdm/st...62244379738118

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    Just booked our Spring 2019 luncheon there. Can't wait to explore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonicboom View Post
    JW Marriott Edmonton @JWMarriottEdm

    Should mention that we will be a 4 star property, not a 5.

    https://twitter.com/JWMarriottEdm/st...62244379738118
    Awwwww.... at least be 4.5 stars! or 4.9 so I can round up to 5!

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    It will be assigned a star rating upon opening based on a preliminary assessment by the various rating groups ( CAA/AAA etc.). After that, it will vary based on periodic inspections. They may open as a 4 star, have a disastrous opening and drop down to a 3 for a year and work hard and get up to a 5 at some point. The rankings are not set in stone.

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    If you truly understand branding, JWM would not allow that. Just like Tim Horton or other franchise has their standards. JWM means an automatic standard of minimum 4 stars out of 5.
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    I've worked in hotels since 1987 including a decade at the Mirage in Las Vegas. Simply having a particular name doesn't guarantee a certain star/diamond rating. If they get a lower rating, Marriott would work to bring it back up to their standard. That doesn't mean that they can't get a rating lower than 4 stars.

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    I thought star rating was based solely on amenities. It doesn't have much to do with price point (although that's the natural effect of having said amenities) or even quality. There are some pretty sketchy 5-star hotels, but they tick the boxes.

    By the way, the Staples article clearly says, in large font in the headline no less, that this will be a 4-star hotel, which is not news.

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    The JW won't 'drop down', it is going to be an incredible property and be the most modern and top tier hotel in the City.
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    Amenities, service, staff, etc. Different organizations use different rankings. CAA is easier to hit the top tier than the Michelin Guide for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    The JW won't 'drop down', it is going to be an incredible property and be the most modern and top tier hotel in the City.
    Any property can drop down. It's the nature of the game. Will they drop? Can't tell. Will they rise to 5 star? Again, can't tell. But to state that they won't, that it's impossible for them to drop is being naive. Simply wishing for it won't make it so.

    Oh look, a JW Mariott that didn't live up to it's quality rating. But that can't happen, right? Management would never let something like this happen, eight?

    Sure, it's a guest review but it sure doesn't bode well if this had happened to a Michelin Guide reviewer now, would it?

    Management dropped the ball
    Review of JW Marriott San Antonio Hill Country Resort & Spa

    https://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowUserR...nio_Texas.html
    Or is Edmonton somehow shielded from such managerial screwups?
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    Why always reaching?
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    Why always saying something won't happen?

    Do I hope they succeed? Yup, defiantly. Do I think that it's impossible for things to go sideways? Absolutely.

    Things can always go wrong. You can have the wrong people in the wrong places in the organization. Unexpected problems can crop up, particularly in a brand new building. Staff training can be done improperly. Any number of things can affect the quality of a property.

    Refusal to even consider the possibility shows a lack of foresight.

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    The sun might not come up tomorrow, but it likely will.

    Things can often go right. You can have great teams who support and enrich.

    ..or perhaps a lack of appreciation, recognition and awareness.
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    OK, everything will always go right. You don't even need any effort or knowledge or even luck. It'll just be tickety-boo because it's downtown Edmonton.

    How could I have ever doubted you?

    Getting and maintaining a 4 star rating, let alone a 5 star, takes a lot of work from every single department of a hotel. There's attention to detail on a scale that, unless you've worked at such a property, you can't even imagine. Why? Because when you're doing it right, it looks effortless and most people never notice the little things that make a difference. Unless you're a hotel inspector scoping out a property looking at every little detail.

    Last fall I was downtown one morning, waiting for an appointment and I decided to walk around the arena and the casino. Brand new properties. Not notch. Except, plainly visible from outside a window near the entrance of the casino, was a pile of dirty dishes left over from the night before. The serving staff didn't see it. The cleaning staff didn't either. But I saw it just walking past.

    I'm sure everyone at the casino had been trained to keep the lobby area presentable at all times and yet these dishes sat there for hours.

    Don't think that little things can't be a sign of bigger problems.
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    ^i have to agree. Those little things matter, especially to the OCD inspectors who make the call. Most people who pay the bill never see any of the work that goes into making everything go perfect, which is hard to do when there are so many little things that can go wrong.

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    It is true that ratings can drop; if that happens to JWM in Edmonton, the company will disassociate itself with Katz. That is like telling me in retail, LV, Versace, and other high names are willing to classify themselves to a lower end. Sure!
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    ^^ From that angle it looks like the Telus World of Science is really close to downtown

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    That is a great angle! Love that picture!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
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    Its amazing to see what edmonton has come to , from our first tower. (Barely visible in this picture) ... to now!

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    Most of the posters in here seem to be speaking in absolutes regarding star ratings, but no one has posted which governing body the JW's rating will be based on, or the criteria used to determine its rating. As I mentioned earlier, my understanding is that most ratings systems are based on objective qualities - ticking the boxes with regards to amenities. If that is the case, one could say with certainty what rating this hotel will achieve.

    If they are going with a subjective rating system, then they could swing all over the place. I just don't think that's the most common way of rating a hotel, as it's wildly inconsistent and unreliable.

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    It's going to have a number of different ratings and they'll promote which ever one is the highest. Chances are that it'll be one of the more prestigious ratings. Something with a bit more oomph than a CAA/AAA.

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    It is a prestige entity, so expect high end plain and simple. Just like when I'm in Asia, i stay at the Mandarin hotels where everything is high quality from beds, furniture, flooring, and service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whattagame View Post
    Most of the posters in here seem to be speaking in absolutes regarding star ratings, but no one has posted which governing body the JW's rating will be based on, or the criteria used to determine its rating. As I mentioned earlier, my understanding is that most ratings systems are based on objective qualities - ticking the boxes with regards to amenities. If that is the case, one could say with certainty what rating this hotel will achieve.

    If they are going with a subjective rating system, then they could swing all over the place. I just don't think that's the most common way of rating a hotel, as it's wildly inconsistent and unreliable.
    "Going with a subjective rating system?" Name 1 fu$&ing subjective rating system out there? Relax dude....it'll be a fancy nice hotel......don't worry about it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whattagame View Post
    Most of the posters in here seem to be speaking in absolutes regarding star ratings, but no one has posted which governing body the JW's rating will be based on, or the criteria used to determine its rating. As I mentioned earlier, my understanding is that most ratings systems are based on objective qualities - ticking the boxes with regards to amenities. If that is the case, one could say with certainty what rating this hotel will achieve.

    If they are going with a subjective rating system, then they could swing all over the place. I just don't think that's the most common way of rating a hotel, as it's wildly inconsistent and unreliable.
    "Going with a subjective rating system?" Name 1 fu$&ing subjective rating system out there? Relax dude....it'll be a fancy nice hotel......don't worry about it....
    Poster dropping F-bombs tells me to relax. Adorable. I honestly don't care - I was initially responding to all of the bickering over the rating.

    As for a subjective rating system, it would be any system weighted heavily on metrics such as hospitality, desirability of location, attractiveness of design, or quality of amenities.

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    Are there any plans for the crown to be illuminated?

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    I believe there is crown lighting, been a while since I have seen the lighting plan.
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    Just in case anyone thinks that the CN Tower is too old to play with the new kids on the block.
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    Exactly. The CN is a gem.
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    Riddle me this: why is the concrete pump arm still up there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonk View Post
    Riddle me this: why is the concrete pump arm still up there?
    I wish it were there to pour the base for a 20m spire.

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    JW and a giant moon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iano View Post
    holy man does that delta need a face lift or what!?

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    holy man does that delta need a face lift or what!?
    It really does. Honestly, the entire exterior of CCM badly needs a face lift.

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    ^love how the reflected southern horizon line matches up with the actual northern horizon line making it seem like we can look right through the two towers

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    You can see the towers as far west as Highway 16A and Range Road 12 (39 km).
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    Not my photo, but taken off my balcony by my best friend on Friday. The evening burst of light is kinda neat, but man oh man does it make driving east down Jasper Ave a nightmare for about 10-15 minutes in the evenings.
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    ^ The Stantec office/resi blend looks pretty good from that angle.

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    Not my photo, but taken off my balcony by my best friend on Friday. The evening burst of light is kinda neat, but man oh man does it make driving east down Jasper Ave a nightmare for about 10-15 minutes in the evenings.
    This is makes me glad that my condo faces west, all I have to worry about is the small glass sections on the Fox Towers. Even then I think that is a reflection of a reflection off of the Ultima.

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    I would imagine the affect of it would only occured if you are on the 7th floor or higher; at least let's hope so. Imagine the potential accidents if one is driving?
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