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    Looks like they're shotcreting this section of wall as they dig down...
    What's shotcreting?

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    Like spray cheese, but concrete instead of cheese
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    There is no 'tunnel' connection between the Delta and the Wintergarden. It's a pedway connection at the 3rd storey of the Delta.

    There is also no access from the Wintergarden to the parkade. You'll have to leave the Wintergarden, and then head down to the parkade via multiple different paths, the easiest will be via the building replacing greyhound.
    Hmm... do you have access to the blueprints, or is there a site that provides this kind of detail?
    This is based on all the EDC info I've seen.
    I believe this shows an underground pedway linking to the above ground pedway from the parkade.



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    It looks like the first level of the parkade will be actual pedways, not just connecting through the parking.

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    That would be nice if they could actually be pedways.
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    It looks like one running right down the middle of the lot with ones crossing N & S. Unless they're planning on having people walk down the middle of the parkade, they sure look separate.

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    I'm guessing that underground pedway below the plaza will eventually extend to City Centre Mall
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    I think the one pedway connection that I'm really curious about is the one that extends to the Casino. I have no doubt that it wont be extending to the current casino but I'm now wondering what it will be extending to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by buildings View Post
    Am I right to assume that the black square, showing on the extreme right side (in the photo) of the lower wall will be a tunnel connection between the Delta and the Wintergarden?
    If I recall, when they were doing the piles for the winter garden, they had a deep hole there with shoring and they put in those large tanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
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    There is no 'tunnel' connection between the Delta and the Wintergarden. It's a pedway connection at the 3rd storey of the Delta.

    There is also no access from the Wintergarden to the parkade. You'll have to leave the Wintergarden, and then head down to the parkade via multiple different paths, the easiest will be via the building replacing greyhound.
    Hmm... do you have access to the blueprints, or is there a site that provides this kind of detail?
    I think that cross section they have of the building that shows the piles in the ground would show that theirs no basement or underground connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brody View Post
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    There is no 'tunnel' connection between the Delta and the Wintergarden. It's a pedway connection at the 3rd storey of the Delta.

    There is also no access from the Wintergarden to the parkade. You'll have to leave the Wintergarden, and then head down to the parkade via multiple different paths, the easiest will be via the building replacing greyhound.
    Hmm... do you have access to the blueprints, or is there a site that provides this kind of detail?
    I think that cross section they have of the building that shows the piles in the ground would show that theirs no basement or underground connection.
    Look at the last post from me that has the pedway diagram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
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    There is no 'tunnel' connection between the Delta and the Wintergarden. It's a pedway connection at the 3rd storey of the Delta.

    There is also no access from the Wintergarden to the parkade. You'll have to leave the Wintergarden, and then head down to the parkade via multiple different paths, the easiest will be via the building replacing greyhound.
    Hmm... do you have access to the blueprints, or is there a site that provides this kind of detail?
    This is based on all the EDC info I've seen.
    I believe this shows an underground pedway linking to the above ground pedway from the parkade.



    http://www.ead.ca/ead/uploads/block/...ay-v5-01-2.jpg
    Maybe an elevator connection only. It won't be the way most people get to the parkade. They'll have to go outside via the plaza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
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    There is no 'tunnel' connection between the Delta and the Wintergarden. It's a pedway connection at the 3rd storey of the Delta.

    There is also no access from the Wintergarden to the parkade. You'll have to leave the Wintergarden, and then head down to the parkade via multiple different paths, the easiest will be via the building replacing greyhound.
    Hmm... do you have access to the blueprints, or is there a site that provides this kind of detail?
    I think that cross section they have of the building that shows the piles in the ground would show that theirs no basement or underground connection.
    Look at the last post from me that has the pedway diagram.
    I saw the diagram and that's why I made a separate comment about that open hole they had dug there to installed those tanks. I was hoping someone knew how deep down they went with them. It does make sense, that this would be the access point if it would be from the elevator. If you watch the time lapse back in Aug. when they were digging there it shows them installing forms for a elevator shaft.

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    Opps. My bad, I looked back at the photos around August and September and saw that the tanks had nothing to do with that open hole. Clearly their will be a elevator connection below surface. If you look at the time lapse, and look at the base of the elevator shaft in the winter garden, you can see tarps covering the opening to below.

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    Would this elevator give patrons access to the parkade? If so it would be one busy elevator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Would this elevator give patrons access to the parkade? If so it would be one busy elevator.
    Can't see it being just an elevator.. If they're going to put in an elevator, accompanying stairs would be relatively trivial. Also, what if the elevator breaks down? Wouldn't be surprised if there was a building code that states you have to have stairs along with an elevator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
    Look at the last post from me that has the pedway diagram.
    You mean the one that clearly shows the pedway across 104 avenue is above ground, as it is colored yellow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Would this elevator give patrons access to the parkade? If so it would be one busy elevator.
    Can't see it being just an elevator.. If they're going to put in an elevator, accompanying stairs would be relatively trivial. Also, what if the elevator breaks down? Wouldn't be surprised if there was a building code that states you have to have stairs along with an elevator.
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    ^^ perhaps the underground pedways clearly emanating from the Winter Garden and spreading through the parkade (in the diagram.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
    Look at the last post from me that has the pedway diagram.
    You mean the one that clearly shows the pedway across 104 avenue is above ground, as it is colored yellow?
    And the teal line that clearly shows an underground pedway connecting to it.

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    That's what I'm thinking. Sort of like how the pedway goes through the Churchill parkade and is mostly marked out using paint on the concrete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
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    Look at the last post from me that has the pedway diagram.
    You mean the one that clearly shows the pedway across 104 avenue is above ground, as it is colored yellow?
    And the teal line that clearly shows an underground pedway connecting to it.
    Maybe I misunderstood the conversation, but wasn't it about whether there was an underground pedway across 104 avenue?

    edit: ah, Channing was also discussing whether the Winter Garden connected directly with the underground pedway system. My bad!

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    So back to that hole in the shotcrete...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    So back to that hole in the shotcrete...
    I'm putting money on that's where the stairs come down... I've only got a dime, two pennies and some pocket lint though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lat View Post
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    So back to that hole in the shotcrete...
    I'm putting money on that's where the stairs come down... I've only got a dime, two pennies and some pocket lint though...
    Me too . If someone has a picture of the ground/ floor of the winter garden then I think one can figure out where the stairs will be. I don't think the elevator base (which clearly has tarps over it are wide enough for stairs to be included there. But it does appear that their are other tarps covering an opening which could be for the stairs. I don't have access for photos.

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    I recall talk of a private, underground connection between the arena and the hotel for VIPs. Don't know if that was the booze talking though.

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    Looking at the parkade plans, doesn't look like any access from Wintergarden into the Parkade. MAYBE something on P1, but no lower. And no pedway in the parkade.

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    Twas mentioned yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Channing View Post
    Looking at the parkade plans, doesn't look like any access from Wintergarden into the Parkade. MAYBE something on P1, but no lower. And no pedway in the parkade.
    It may be similar to the library parkade where they have walkways marked out with paint to be the 'pedway' through the parkade, but there is no physical pedway.

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    You can see the parkade only extent next to the delta footprint.
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    The part that is lowest is the delta footprint. the stuff to the left is parkade only. I think.

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    But Delta will still have parking as well correct?
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    Yes, but different structure... Footings (parkade no tower above) versus piles (parkade and tower).
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    So the parkade portion to the left of the delta footprint will remain underground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Yes, but different structure... Footings (parkade no tower above) versus piles (parkade and tower).
    I'm assuming you're extolling that Delta will be isolating its portion of parkade from the rest although they may/will use the same entrance ?

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    Not necessarily.
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    It would make sense that they have a certain percentage of restricted parking. Unlike other buildings there will be guests of the hotel there into the evening and they will need to be guaranteed parking, especially on evenings where there would be a concert or hockey game.
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    It will be interesting to see a plaza or forecourt with terrace cafes and bar service. Do any of you know if that is a possibility?
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    footprint in the above photo looks quite small compared to the wintergarden structure.

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    Was thinking the same thing, can't wait for this to rise!!

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    ^^
    Remember, this is not a condo with livingroom, kitchen and storage etc. They're single rooms, so how much bigger would you expect? The Winter Garden is the primary access/egress for 19k patrons, so how small should it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    ^^
    Remember, this is not a condo with livingroom, kitchen and storage etc. They're single rooms, so how much bigger would you expect? The Winter Garden is the primary access/egress for 19k patrons, so how small should it be?
    There will be condos with kitchens, living rooms, closets, etc. above the hotel...
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    Hotel + residences with the latter being luxury condos with everything you would expect in them.
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    Who recently bought Delta? Any chance the branding could change with the new owners?

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    Marriott - who knows.
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    ^right. Thanks. Would be nice to see something else... I guess it depends on what they do with their other Delta properties. I could see the company keeping the current Delta in play with some updates but otherwise at a lower price point from the new "Delta/Marriott" property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    ^right. Thanks. Would be nice to see something else... I guess it depends on what they do with their other Delta properties. I could see the company keeping the current Delta in play with some updates but otherwise at a lower price point from the new "Delta/Marriott" property.
    They don't plan on many changes apparently - http://www.thestar.com/business/tech...lta-hotel.html

    Hoffman said the company does not anticipate changing any Delta hotels into Marriott locations, but will extend its Marriott rewards platform to Delta properties.
    Guess you can collect Marriot rewards though? Yippee.

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    60 floors would be a nice round number for this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingCalvin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    ^^
    Remember, this is not a condo with livingroom, kitchen and storage etc. They're single rooms, so how much bigger would you expect? The Winter Garden is the primary access/egress for 19k patrons, so how small should it be?
    There will be condos with kitchens, living rooms, closets, etc. above the hotel...
    True, but this type of luxuries, from what I normally see, don't have many suites per floor; from what I see, I'm predicting 4 suites per floor. Anymore neighbors than that, you just call it high end. I'm only guessing here as I'm use to the ones that have only two , four, or a combination of both in this type of full luxuries hence the footprint.

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    The drawings seem to have more balconies than that per floor. 6 maybe?

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    ^Multiple balconies per suite is not uncommon. Would be hard to count suites that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Hotel + residences with the latter being luxury condos with everything you would expect in them.
    So, it won't be executive suites rentals like TELUS sky? Or is that Stantec? Makes sense I guess to have condo's over the hotel rather than over an office tower, as can order condo room service then (so more premium - sales feature).
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    The Delta parkade is not separated from the rest. All one big parkade. So any differences at the level it's at now will primarily be structural reasons I'd guess.

    For Delta, 20 hotel rooms per floor. 13 residential units per floor (1 balcony each, 6 pairs of balconies together, the south facing balcony is a single).

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    ^if you buy a unit, can it be added to the hotel pool (ala, One King West in Toronto, where if you stay, you are actually paying a unit owner)? Or is it a hard division between hotel and condo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Hotel + residences with the latter being luxury condos with everything you would expect in them.
    So, it won't be executive suites rentals like TELUS sky? Or is that Stantec? Makes sense I guess to have condo's over the hotel rather than over an office tower, as can order condo room service then (so more premium - sales feature).
    Stantec is rental, Delta is luxury condo.
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    ^TBD... but that is what we have heard yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^if you buy a unit, can it be added to the hotel pool (ala, One King West in Toronto, where if you stay, you are actually paying a unit owner)? Or is it a hard division between hotel and condo?
    They're separated by floor, have separate entrances (hotel vs residential) and have separate elevators. I'm thinking no, but I'm not on the design team.

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    The Delta parkade is not separated from the rest. All one big parkade. So any differences at the level it's at now will primarily be structural reasons I'd guess.

    For Delta, 20 hotel rooms per floor. 13 residential units per floor (1 balcony each, 6 pairs of balconies together, the south facing balcony is a single).
    whoa! That is a lot of suites per floor (13) for luxuries. Part of of that nostalgia, normally, includes limited neighbors. I did have interest in purchasing into this project but not anymore..
    No way would I pay high prices for that many neighbors. I have nothing against it; I just enjoy privacy, and that ratio would be too much to achieve tranquility. 6 would have been tolerable.

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    533-1010 square feet in the residential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    whoa! That is a lot of suites per floor (13) for luxuries. Part of of that nostalgia, normally, includes limited neighbors. I did have interest in purchasing into this project but not anymore..
    No way would I pay high prices for that many neighbors. I have nothing against it; I just enjoy privacy, and that ratio would be too much to achieve tranquility. 6 would have been tolerable.
    It's a big building. Unless every suite was 1000-2000 square feet and close to a million bucks each, that's just not feasible.

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    ^^
    Thanks Channing! That is way too small.


    I'm use too luxuries starting at a million+..
    .Not pretentious but just part of the realm of accustoms as I reside in NY-Manhatten 1/2 + annually. 1 or 2 million is cheap there, but I forget Edmonton is a different atmosphere. I guess that is reasonable .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    ^^
    Thanks Channing! That is way too small.


    I'm use too luxuries starting at a million+..
    .Not pretentious but just part of the realm of accustoms as I reside in NY-Manhatten 1/2 + annually. 1 or 2 million is cheap there, but I forget Edmonton is a different atmosphere. I guess that is reasonable .
    Good 'ol Manhattan - got offered a job to work there back in 2000 - after doing some research - couldn't afford to pay the rent on a car parking stall, let alone rent in an apartment.....

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    The tiny little maid suites in the new 432 park avenue tower in Manhattan are a Million each .
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    Looks like they are starting to set up another crane for the Hotel portion

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    Yay.

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    I would love to see a JW there, hopefully that come to fruition.

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    That would be excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    I would love to see a JW there, hopefully that come to fruition.
    What's a JW?
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    Johnny Walker.

    Gold please.


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    Marriott brand
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    What's the difference?

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    It's the luxury/high end brand of Marriott.

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    ^ Correct. There's only one J.W Marriott in Canada right now (Muskoka Resort in Ontario)

    Upgrading from a Delta to a J.W would be awesome for the EAD

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    Ya, but what is the difference tangibly for the guest? Mints on the pillow? Softer sheets?

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    I sure hope this turns out to be true. The J.W. Marriott brand at the arena would be a huge selling point to other brands considering retail or restaurant operations in the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Ya, but what is the difference tangibly for the guest? Mints on the pillow? Softer sheets?
    It's like a comparing a Corolla to a Rolls Royce, everything is upgraded, food, service, aesthetics, etc.

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    ^^^ mints on pillows, likely. Things like smart/automated window coverings and lighting systems, high end entertainment systems, tv in bathrooms etc.

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    Not a surprise....I found it puzzling that it started out as a Delta...we all knew that the group wanted to "mirror" this development against Staples.....so it only makes sense for a JW....can't wait if it happens. Delta is fine if this were Winnipeg or Hamilton.....lol.

    First a new Westin and now this? Wow.....good day to be a hotel guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridgeman View Post
    Looks like they are starting to set up another crane for the Hotel portion
    Looking at the latest frame from the time lapse, it looks like a crawling crane?

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    JWs are always very nice, I've stayed at a number of them. Another thing to keep in mind with JW hotels, often times they house a very very high end restaurant (often Michelin rated internationally). That would be a very nice addition to the AED compared to what Deltas offer.

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    This is interesting. If it turns out that the new Delta really does end up turning into a JW Marriott, what would Delta do? Build a new tower for itself? I can't see Delta giving up its new hotel to another high-end hotel chain, unless it suddenly ended up in really, really bad shape financially, which is not the case.

    I don't know how plausible this is. Somehow I think it's more likely that JW would build a new tower for itself, while the Delta remains a Delta.

    Not that having a JW here in Edmonton's a bad thing. It'd be awesome, actually!
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    ^theyre the same company (Marriott owns delta)

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    ^I stand corrected. Thanks.
    Is there hope for Edmonton? Yes!!! The Oilers? Wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
    ^theyre the same company (Marriott owns delta)
    The sale to Marriott was finalized just a couple months ago, which would explain the sudden brand change.

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    Presumably that means then the current Delta would stay put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Not a surprise....I found it puzzling that it started out as a Delta...we all knew that the group wanted to "mirror" this development against Staples.....so it only makes sense for a JW....can't wait if it happens. Delta is fine if this were Winnipeg or Hamilton.....lol.

    First a new Westin and now this? Wow.....good day to be a hotel guy
    Delta's new 4 Star offerings (which is what we are supposed to be getting) are quite nice. See Toronto's new downtown Delta. Very lovely building and hotel.

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    We don't know for sure if the new hotel will be rebranded, it's just hearsay at this point.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Presumably that means then the current Delta would stay put.
    Marriott do not own the current Delta. It belongs to Oxford...who have a contract with Delta to operate it. Its a turkey shoot what could happen as they are many possibilities. Marriott will not own the new hotel either - Katz does...and will have a management contract with (now) Marriott for its operation. And that hotel can not be a JW if the design was such that it was made for a 3* hotel. JW is a luxury brand as everyone knows and the designs for the hotel would need to go upscale and more importantly net and gross areas for food, beverage and all amenities would need to significantly increase to accommodate such a transition. That takes time and $$ - and it is Katz Group that will drive that decision if they think they can get a good ROI. If not then its the Delta.
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    ^ I hope they can see the value/RoI in a brand like this.

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    or it may end up a Marriott without the JW.

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    ^^^ the design is a 4 star hotel. A JW would be fantastic but a Marriott would be just fine too.

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    As someone who is in the downtown Edmonton hotel sector (and used to work for the Delta Hotel brand) I can tell you that this property will open as a Delta, and remain a Delta for many years. The only difference Marriott's involvement will make is literally that you can earn Marriott Rewards while staying there. Delta is a great Canadian hotel brand and offers some of the most modern and clean hotels in the country - it's connection (and presence on Marriott.com) will only enhance its position as a great hospitality company.

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    ^In your opinion... Sorry, But this is totally only your opinion and not actually based on inside information or discussions with the brands Etc.

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