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    Oh boy, doesn’t look like Trudeau have managed to advance Canada’s interest in G20:

    https://twitter.com/petermartin_pcm/...228384770?s=21

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    Oh boy, doesn’t look like Trudeau have managed to advance Canada’s interest in G20:

    https://twitter.com/petermartin_pcm/...228384770?s=21

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    Jumping to conclusions I see...

    None of you were there, none of you saw anything within its context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    Jumping to conclusions I see...

    None of you were there, none of you saw anything within its context.
    Including you. He's bloody useless.
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    Sooo...BC can burn garbage and that’s not an issue, but burning hydrocarbons is??

    http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...f-eed696720db8

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    Jumping to conclusions I see...

    None of you were there, none of you saw anything within its context.
    Including you. He's bloody useless.
    Did you even bother to read the comments within the link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    Jumping to conclusions I see...

    None of you were there, none of you saw anything within its context.
    Including you. He's bloody useless.
    Did you even bother to read the comments within the link?
    Have to agree with you here. People should watch the whole video exchange, its quite clear then what transpired. Trudeau was not being ignored in that exchange, The attempt to make it look that way through edited video is misleading.

    If one only watches the first video its possible to be misled. In the subsequent comments a longer video showing the whole sequence is presented. It clarifies what took place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    Jumping to conclusions I see...

    None of you were there, none of you saw anything within its context.
    Including you. He's bloody useless.
    Did you even bother to read the comments within the link?
    Have to agree with you here. People should watch the whole video exchange, its quite clear then what transpired. Trudeau was not being ignored in that exchange, The attempt to make it look that way through edited video is misleading.

    If one only watches the first video its possible to be misled. In the subsequent comments a longer video showing the whole sequence is presented. It clarifies what took place.
    The guy* posting the video couldn’t even comprehend everyday common decency. Nor could H.L.

    It’s so incredibly sad that people’s primitive tribal mindsets so over-ride their ability to even present or see reality or if they do they try to concoct a lie out of it.


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    Thank you. Clearly it is not necessary to alter a video for deception. Merely stopping it "early" is sufficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Jumping to conclusions I see...

    None of you were there, none of you saw anything within its context.
    Including you. He's bloody useless.
    Did you even bother to read the comments within the link?
    Have to agree with you here. People should watch the whole video exchange, its quite clear then what transpired. Trudeau was not being ignored in that exchange, The attempt to make it look that way through edited video is misleading.

    If one only watches the first video its possible to be misled. In the subsequent comments a longer video showing the whole sequence is presented. It clarifies what took place.
    The guy* posting the video couldn’t even comprehend everyday common decency. Nor could H.L.

    It’s so incredibly sad that people’s primitive tribal mindsets so over-ride their ability to even present or see reality or if they do they try to concoct a lie out of it.


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    Thank you. Clearly it is not necessary to alter a video for deception. Merely stopping it "early" is sufficient.
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    Yep. Unfortunately the video is purposely misleading as well. Its cropped, altered, zeroing in on Trudeau while freeze framing a moment to make it look like Trudeau was being shunned, as if that portrayal was the basis of the exchange. So it is quite clearly willfully misleading. An attempt to exhibit something like that which is willfully dishonest to that which transpired is the only thing to see here. Thankfully people in that discussion have the patience to point it out with a longer video.
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    A good long-read from Globe & Mail for the fans of Trudeau’s foreign diplomacy “achievements”:

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/resi...WF3CVG7GWE.jpg

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    And did Martin apologize or admit to his error in reposting?

    H.L., if you see this, we await your apology as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
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    Jumping to conclusions I see...

    None of you were there, none of you saw anything within its context.
    Including you. He's bloody useless.
    Did you even bother to read the comments within the link?
    The comments? Why would I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
    Sooo...BC can burn garbage and that’s not an issue, but burning hydrocarbons is??

    http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...f-eed696720db8

    Of course they can, greenies are hypocritical
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    They can cut trees, burn wood and coal, sell wood and coal, sell oil and gas too, a lot. They can drive and jet. YVR is the second busiest airport in the country. Over 60% of BCers support the pipeline though so Horgan has to represent his constituents eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    A good long-read from Globe & Mail for the fans of Trudeau’s foreign diplomacy “achievements”:

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/resi...WF3CVG7GWE.jpg
    Your link leads to an image, not an article.

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    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...nage-1.5191054

    i guess some things never change.

    despite earlier promises for more transparency and qualification based selection, that seems to have gone the way of budgets that balance themselves.

    on the other hand, it seems that the actual criteria used in new brunswick are pretty much the same as those used to overrule his attorney general's pick for the supreme court of canada or selecting our since dis-credited previous ambassador to china. at least there's consistency at play here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    A good long-read from Globe & Mail for the fans of Trudeau’s foreign diplomacy “achievements”:

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/resi...WF3CVG7GWE.jpg
    Your link leads to an image, not an article.

    Sorry, not sure what happened there. Let’s try one more time:

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...t-can-reclaim/

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    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.
    Only 4 months left on it so at this point just ride it out..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.
    Only 4 months left on it so at this point just ride it out..
    We're going to have zero cap room though, so we're probably screwed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.


    More ammunition supporting Liberal claims that they are performing quite well:

    Loonie Soars as the Canadian Economy Firms While U.S. Wobbles - Bloomberg

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-u-s-wobbles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.
    Only 4 months left on it so at this point just ride it out..
    We're going to have zero cap room though, so we're probably screwed....
    Lets see if he spends his last few months screwing us over like Chiarelli did. Right of recall would be good now. heh
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.


    More ammunition supporting Liberal claims that they are performing quite well:

    Loonie Soars as the Canadian Economy Firms While U.S. Wobbles - Bloomberg

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-u-s-wobbles
    The Loonie "Soars" to 76 cents. Big whoop. Still 3 quarters back on the dollar.

    Soaring was perhaps more apt description when the Canabuck was worth 1.06 USD. A brief moment in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.


    More ammunition supporting Liberal claims that they are performing quite well:

    Loonie Soars as the Canadian Economy Firms While U.S. Wobbles - Bloomberg

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-u-s-wobbles
    The Loonie "Soars" to 76 cents. Big whoop. Still 3 quarters back on the dollar.

    Soaring was perhaps more apt description when the Canabuck was worth 1.06 USD. A brief moment in time.
    Again, I don’t credit politicians with much. Not much in terms of the economy. Not really anything in terms of the stock market. Not anything with interest rates. However that’s me.


    We have to live by the perceptions of the general public where a whole lot of people credit or criticize politicians base on all of those factors. It’s like consumers, central banks etc. don’t even exist or have no influence.

    So by conventional measures this is a huge win by the Liberals. If this were news while a conservative government were in power, every supporter would be jumping up and down claiming that their party deserves all the credit.
    Last edited by KC; 04-07-2019 at 07:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.
    More ammunition supporting Liberal claims that they are performing quite well:

    Loonie Soars as the Canadian Economy Firms While U.S. Wobbles - Bloomberg

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-u-s-wobbles
    The Loonie "Soars" to 76 cents. Big whoop. Still 3 quarters back on the dollar.

    Soaring was perhaps more apt description when the Canabuck was worth 1.06 USD. A brief moment in time.
    Just turn the clock back to 2007 and maybe we can hit $1.06 when the oil price hits $140 a barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.


    More ammunition supporting Liberal claims that they are performing quite well:

    Loonie Soars as the Canadian Economy Firms While U.S. Wobbles - Bloomberg

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-u-s-wobbles
    The Loonie "Soars" to 76 cents. Big whoop. Still 3 quarters back on the dollar.

    Soaring was perhaps more apt description when the Canabuck was worth 1.06 USD. A brief moment in time.
    Wait until all that business picks up with China, he has lots of ministers sucking up to them, while two of our men , rot away in some jail..!!

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/chin...-u-s-1.4491791

    China warns Canada..LOL, what a **** JT is..
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.


    More ammunition supporting Liberal claims that they are performing quite well:

    Loonie Soars as the Canadian Economy Firms While U.S. Wobbles - Bloomberg

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-u-s-wobbles
    Economy is a complex system and it is hard to pinpoint causes of growth, particularly in short term, with accuracy. However, recent data points seems to suggest credit does not belong to the federal government.

    The GDP report for April from Statistics Canada suggests Alberta growth, and in particular oil sands starting the pumps again, are the root of the recent Canadian economic boost:

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...90628a-eng.htm


    Oil sands extraction increased 11.0% as facilities scaled up production rather than undertaking maintenance activities, to take advantage of the easing of production restrictions.
    Timing of the report, showing activity during NDP reign suggest they should get the credit. This can be corroborated with an economic activity chart developed by Trevor Tombe which suggests Alberta recovery started around February.

    https://twitter.com/trevortombe/stat...299672576?s=21

    And February is when NDP first eased the production curtailment.

    https://www.alberta.ca/oil-production-limit.aspx

    Finally, keep in mind global oil prices were also rising in the first few months of the year.

    Conclusion: All the evidence suggests the Alberta NDP government, with a helping hand from rising oil prices, is to get the credit.

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    But Kenney will take the credit and Scheer will blame the Liberals.


    Alberta export numbers reach all-time high, with energy leading growth
    Beef exported to Japan is up after implementation of Trans-Pacific PartnershipAlberta monthly exports have reached an all-time high totalling $11.97 billion for the month of May.


    The bulk of the growth of exports came from the energy sector, accounting for $8.96 billion. That is up $1.8 billion over May of last year.


    "Alberta exports did reach their highest levels in history, and that's primarily on growth from energy products, primarily oil that we send to the United States. That is up significantly just in the past few months," said Trevor Tombe, an associate professor of economics at the University of Calgary.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...2019-1.5198833

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    Everyone expecting that the business-friendly Conservatives would wipe the floor with the NDP in an upcoming spring election likely helped.

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    yes that's why the O&G sector continues to layoff jobs in Alberta. Business-friendly... tax breaks for the elite and screwing everyone else over. Lovely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I actually like Justin Trudeau, as a teacher or ski instructor. He seems like a good family man as well but I wish we could buy out his contract.


    More ammunition supporting Liberal claims that they are performing quite well:

    Loonie Soars as the Canadian Economy Firms While U.S. Wobbles - Bloomberg

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-u-s-wobbles
    Economy is a complex system and it is hard to pinpoint causes of growth, particularly in short term, with accuracy. However, recent data points seems to suggest credit does not belong to the federal government.

    The GDP report for April from Statistics Canada suggests Alberta growth, and in particular oil sands starting the pumps again, are the root of the recent Canadian economic boost:

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...90628a-eng.htm


    Oil sands extraction increased 11.0% as facilities scaled up production rather than undertaking maintenance activities, to take advantage of the easing of production restrictions.
    Timing of the report, showing activity during NDP reign suggest they should get the credit. This can be corroborated with an economic activity chart developed by Trevor Tombe which suggests Alberta recovery started around February.

    https://twitter.com/trevortombe/stat...299672576?s=21

    And February is when NDP first eased the production curtailment.

    https://www.alberta.ca/oil-production-limit.aspx

    Finally, keep in mind global oil prices were also rising in the first few months of the year.

    Conclusion: All the evidence suggests the Alberta NDP government, with a helping hand from rising oil prices, is to get the credit.
    Where governments deserve a lot of “credit” for economic numbers is in borrowing tens or hundreds of billions of dollars to dump into the economy today. It’s an easy way boost the numbers and look good in the short term. It’s a great way to save an economy from a downward spiral. However in good times it’s a riskier bet that the debt will generate higher returns than the costs - but that’s just a pesky burden future governments and if no concern to current politicians.
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    jt says he's made mistakes:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jus...tion-1.5214867

    he's too hard on himself.

    he's only made one really big mistake - entering politics in the first place. everything else has flowed from that.
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    The biggest mistakes anyone could make in their lives is supporting the CONS and the United Cretins.

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    Andrew Scheer is the best reason I have to vote Liberal in the next election.
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    ^

    like the last provincial election, it may well be another one of those hold your nose when you cast your ballot elections.

    at least provincially we had a potentially viable third party (at least in terms of being able to vote for them even if they were going to be the swing party in a minority government at best). the federal election won't even offer that and may well be the first time i will exercise my "none of the above" rights by spoiling a ballot.
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    Well, given how close the vote was last time in our riding I will be monitoring the polls & be voting ABC.

    If you'll forgive a bit of overly dramatic quoting: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Andrew Scheer is the best reason I have to vote Liberal in the next election.
    I seriously looked at Scheer for my next vote. Every chance I gave him, what I heard out of his mouth was either disappointing, tired negative talking points or downright scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    ^

    like the last provincial election, it may well be another one of those hold your nose when you cast your ballot elections.

    at least provincially we had a potentially viable third party (at least in terms of being able to vote for them even if they were going to be the swing party in a minority government at best). the federal election won't even offer that and may well be the first time i will exercise my "none of the above" rights by spoiling a ballot.

    Some people are voting a certain way, to get JT out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Andrew Scheer is the best reason I have to vote Liberal in the next election.
    I seriously looked at Scheer for my next vote. Every chance I gave him, what I heard out of his mouth was either disappointing, tired negative talking points or downright scary.
    Every time he opens his mouth the Liberals seem to get a couple more points in the polls.
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    Seems the majority of Edmontonians are NDPers. Why not vote for Jagmeet Singh. He could be your champion. I live outside of the city and am not sure who the candidates will be yet. I’m in a different riding than last time. I voted for Justin Trudeau last time because I was so sick of Harper. No sense voting Rhinoceros Party anymore as marijuana has already been legalized. The Greens, I don’t know, they seem pretty whacky. Maybe I’ll support the Communist Party this time around. They would straighten things out. lol 😆

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Seems the majority of Edmontonians are NDPers. Why not vote for Jagmeet Singh. He could be your champion. I live outside of the city and am not sure who the candidates will be yet. I’m in a different riding than last time. I voted for Justin Trudeau last time because I was so sick of Harper. No sense voting Rhinoceros Party anymore as marijuana has already been legalized. The Greens, I don’t know, they seem pretty whacky. Maybe I’ll support the Communist Party this time around. They would straighten things out. lol 
    i voted for the alberta party provincially because i could comfortably support their platform and their goals even if they became part the minority partner in a minority government, never mind if they had an opportunity to form government. i can't say the same thing for singh and the ndp federally - i believe their closest comparable is the green party in bc where even their involvement as the minority partner in a minority government has been a disaster for bc and for the country.
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    I voted NDP provincially but I haven’t been a fan of the Federal NDP since Jack Layton passed. I tend to vote Liberal nationally, as I live in a well-contested riding & I find the conservative (small c) parties in Canada tend to not share my views, values or ideas on Canada itself. Liberals are far from ideal but they’re the best option I have, especially since they killed electoral reform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    ...the green party in bc where even their involvement as the minority partner in a minority government has been a disaster for bc and for the country.
    Hmmm....in what sense? BC government has been a disaster for our province, but theirs? They are doing just fine.

    The BC economic growth is strong, and is expected to lead the provinces in 2019 and 2020:

    https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...884482652.html

    And the BC government is posting operating surplus that makes any conservative government jealous.

    from today’s the Globe: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ases-and-real/

    The British Columbia government ended its fiscal year in an operating surplus of $1.5-billion with the collection of more revenue from taxation and less money from a softening real estate market.

    The 2018-19 public accounts released on Thursday by Finance Minister Carole James show the province has eliminated its operating deficit for the first time in 40 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Seems the majority of Edmontonians are NDPers. Why not vote for Jagmeet Singh. He could be your champion. I live outside of the city and am not sure who the candidates will be yet. I’m in a different riding than last time. I voted for Justin Trudeau last time because I was so sick of Harper. No sense voting Rhinoceros Party anymore as marijuana has already been legalized. The Greens, I don’t know, they seem pretty whacky. Maybe I’ll support the Communist Party this time around. They would straighten things out. lol 😆
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    He seems like a very nice guy. I’m just afraid he would be a bit timid for such a position. I’ll likely be voting for him though, especially if the new candidate in my riding is a good one. (Edmonton-Wetaskiwin) I’ve heard some rumours that Mike Lake is quitting. I’m not sure yet. Mike has a severely autistic son as well, like me, so I know how tough that can be. If Mike is running again I will be voting for him. He does a lot of things regarding autism especially, because of his son. Last time I voted in the Battle River-Crowfoot riding as I was staying at my cottage out at Little Beaver Lake. I think I was likely the only person that voted for Trudeau at my polling station that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    He seems like a very nice guy. I’m just afraid he would be a bit timid for such a position. I’ll likely be voting for him though, especially if the new candidate in my riding is a good one. (Edmonton-Wetaskiwin) I’ve heard some rumours that Mike Lake is quitting. I’m not sure yet. Mike has a severely autistic son as well, like me, so I know how tough that can be. If Mike is running again I will be voting for him. He does a lot of things regarding autism especially, because of his son. Last time I voted in the Battle River-Crowfoot riding as I was staying at my cottage out at Little Beaver Lake. I think I was likely the only person that voted for Trudeau at my polling station that day.
    Timid? Hmm I don't think so, I mean JT doesn't come across, as a force to be reckoned with. JT is a bit of a pushover, excepts when it comes to firing strong women.
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    ...the green party in bc where even their involvement as the minority partner in a minority government has been a disaster for bc and for the country.
    Hmmm....in what sense? BC government has been a disaster for our province, but theirs? They are doing just fine.

    The BC economic growth is strong, and is expected to lead the provinces in 2019 and 2020:

    https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...884482652.html

    And the BC government is posting operating surplus that makes any conservative government jealous.

    from today’s the Globe: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ases-and-real/

    The British Columbia government ended its fiscal year in an operating surplus of $1.5-billion with the collection of more revenue from taxation and less money from a softening real estate market.

    The 2018-19 public accounts released on Thursday by Finance Minister Carole James show the province has eliminated its operating deficit for the first time in 40 years.

    You're correct, BC seems to be doing exceptionally well at the moment, and John Horgan seems to be enjoying a high approval rating in the province at the moment as well.

    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...ording-to-poll

    And I do believe if an election were held in BC today, the provincial NDP would form a majority government. The BC Greens know this, that's why they've been relatively muted for the last year or so. Towing the NDP line is currently the only way for them to remain relevant. The BC Liberals only seem to be digging themselves deeper into unpopularity.

    Of course if you're a real estate developer you might have a different view of the world. In that world one might wish for the NDP to have been a disaster, but that world is not reality. And when I see a developers from Alberta like Cal Nichols lamenting the current BC government and longing for the corrupt good ol’ days of speculative real estate bubbles, patronage and unaffordability, I can't help but think that BC is on the right track.

    https://edmontonjournal.com/business...ion-on-b-c-ndp
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    ^ what BC NDP has achieved (n collaboration with Greens) is nothing short of a miracle, defying mainstream myths on taxation, growth etc

    - The highest carbon tax in the county with the lowest unemployment rate in the country
    - high corporate taxes and the highest provincial economic growth rate
    - deflating the property bubble, which people said is the only engine of their economy without killing the economy

    I vote not based on political affiliation and ideology but on merit of policies and track record. If that NDP team moves in Alberta, I won’t hesitate a second in voting for them.

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    BC has so many homeless, there are tent cities everywhere. The cost of renting or paying for a house is ridiculous, if it's doing so well, why is that happening?

    Victoria is very NIMBY, I've been to visit a good friend that lives there, and what she pays for a teeny townhouse, is way OTT. They live there for the weather, she cannot handle the cold, they just sold their car, they cant afford it. It's not all peaches and cream
    My niece just moved back to AB ( after 4 years) from Nanaimo, she has three small children, and she calls Nanaimo the dirty drug place, needles are everywhere, panhandlers are everywhere, again, if it's doing so well, dont they bother with their homeless
    She said she has heard more about housing the homeless in AB, than she ever did in BC
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    BC has so many homeless, there are tent cities everywhere. The cost of renting or paying for a house is ridiculous, if it's doing so well, why is that happening?

    Victoria is very NIMBY, I've been to visit a good friend that lives there, and what she pays for a teeny townhouse, is way OTT. They live there for the weather, she cannot handle the cold, they just sold their car, they cant afford it. It's not all peaches and cream
    My niece just moved back to AB ( after 4 years) from Nanaimo, she has three small children, and she calls Nanaimo the dirty drug place, needles are everywhere, panhandlers are everywhere, again, if it's doing so well, dont they bother with their homeless
    She said she has heard more about housing the homeless in AB, than she ever did in BC
    BC is doing a lot for the homeless and those in need, but the issues are bigger here. Either way your comment is completely disingenuous which I guess is par for the course. BC will always have a bigger homeless population because simply put, it's a lot easier to be homeless in BC than the rest of Canada, and it's not uncommon for people to move here just for the weather aspect of homelessness. Alberta is Absolutely NOT doing more for the homelessness than BC. Just because they are more visible doesn't mean they aren't being helped. Additionally housing pressures will always be more extreme here, people are willing to take pay cuts and a pay a premium on housing that they wouldn't in other places.

    I have seen a lot of NIMBYism in Vancouver and Victoria, but it's no different than anywhere else. The difference is that 90% of development is infill instead of greenfield so the NIMBYism happens more often. As a result NIMBYism affects housing more substantially here because instead of a greenfield development occurring that would fill the gap left by a failed infill project, that development doesn't happen at all. The problems occurring in BC are largely because their success is amplifying existing problems that are unique to the province.

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    Health experts denounce Scheer’s comments on Canada’s Food Guide as ‘irresponsible’ and ‘disingenuous’


    At a meeting with the Dairy Farmers of Canada earlier this week, Mr. Scheer criticized the new Canada’s Food Guide, and pledged that, if elected, he would review recent changes including the reduced emphasis on meat and dairy.“[The guide] seems to be ideologically driven by people who have a philosophical perspective and a bias against certain types of healthy food products,” he told the group of farmers and producers in Saskatoon. His comments echo the dairy lobby’s arguments, including a statement this week that the new guide “does not fully reflect the most recent and mounting scientific evidence.”


    Huh, a lobby for dairy says that we need more dairy, what a surprise.

    “It’s irresponsible of him,” said Mary L’Abbé, director of the World Health Organization’s Collaborating Centre for Nutrition Policy for Chronic Disease Prevention.“This was done based on the huge body of evidence that’s clearly well-documented,” said Dr. L’Abbé, who is also a professor of nutrition sciences at the University of Toronto. “What does he want it based on? Not evidence? Lobbying?”
    Another change was Health Canada’s refusal to meet privately with food industry groups during the development process. This was in response to criticisms that previous guides included too much input from the food industry
    Health Canada conducted nearly two years of consultations leading up to the guide. Although private meetings with lobbyists were banned, the food industry was invited to attend stakeholder round tables, and to participate in public consultations.
    So they had a voice, they just didn't like that they couldn't privately convince politicians to suggest that their product is more important to your diet than it is.

    “This is yet another example of the Trudeau Government’s assault on Canada’s farmers who work hard every single day to put food on our tables,” he said.In addition to his pledge to review the food guide, Mr. Scheer promised to scrap the Liberal plan to make front-of-package labels mandatory for foods high in sugar, salt and saturated fat.
    Because profits of industry is more important than the health of Canadians I guess. I thought that it was well understood that the old food pyramid had been the result of industry lobbying, and the new food guide was more of a reflection of actual nutritionist and scientific knowledge.

    I guess Sheer would rather be a shill and pander to interest groups instead of listen to 2 years of stakeholder engagement that focused on what's actually healthy for Canadians.

    To further solidify his pandering:
    But the comment from Mr. Scheer that raised the most eyebrows was his claim that “chocolate milk saved my son’s life.” He explained that his son was a picky eater at a young age and refused to consume most other foods.
    Even as a joke, what a ridiculous comment.

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    65% of the global population is lactose intolerant, but cow's milk is absolutely essential!
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    Scheer owes his position as leader of the Conservatives to the dairy lobby. Bernier was very much against supply management and wanted to scrap it, Scheer did not. So it's no surprise he's going to bat for them. I thought Paul Wells, as usual, had an excellent column on this: https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ott...ter-4329-milk/

    “Complete lack of consultation,” Scheer said. The food guide should “reflect what we know, what the science tells us.”

    Could this be true? Seven seconds of Googling tells us that, indeed, it is not. Over here at foodguideconsultation.ca, we see the results of Health Canada’s consultations on the food guide. In Phase I of the consultation, nearly 20,000 people and organizations made submissions, including 265 organizations representing the food industry.

    In Phase 2, more than 6,000 submissions were received, including 98 from the food and beverage industry. Most submissions agreed with promoting water consumption, noted that milk is a “healthy” alternative, and indeed emphasized that for the youngest children, there’s no need to discourage fatty homogenized milk.

    Where was the Conservative Party during these consultations? Making fun of the Liberals for consulting so much.

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    Thanks for that Marcel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    BC has so many homeless, there are tent cities everywhere. The cost of renting or paying for a house is ridiculous, if it's doing so well, why is that happening?

    Victoria is very NIMBY, I've been to visit a good friend that lives there, and what she pays for a teeny townhouse, is way OTT. They live there for the weather, she cannot handle the cold, they just sold their car, they cant afford it. It's not all peaches and cream
    My niece just moved back to AB ( after 4 years) from Nanaimo, she has three small children, and she calls Nanaimo the dirty drug place, needles are everywhere, panhandlers are everywhere, again, if it's doing so well, dont they bother with their homeless
    She said she has heard more about housing the homeless in AB, than she ever did in BC
    This is rich. "Rent is expensive... why do they have a hard time housing people?!".
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    much easier to be homeless out in Naniamo or Victoria or Vancouver than anywhere else in Canada and that has nothing to do wit economy, and more with climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    BC has so many homeless, there are tent cities everywhere. The cost of renting or paying for a house is ridiculous, if it's doing so well, why is that happening?

    Victoria is very NIMBY, I've been to visit a good friend that lives there, and what she pays for a teeny townhouse, is way OTT. They live there for the weather, she cannot handle the cold, they just sold their car, they cant afford it. It's not all peaches and cream
    My niece just moved back to AB ( after 4 years) from Nanaimo, she has three small children, and she calls Nanaimo the dirty drug place, needles are everywhere, panhandlers are everywhere, again, if it's doing so well, dont they bother with their homeless
    She said she has heard more about housing the homeless in AB, than she ever did in BC
    This is rich. "Rent is expensive... why do they have a hard time housing people?!".
    Where is the housing for the homeless??? Edmonton talks about it, Victoria just tells them to pack and leave
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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    BC has so many homeless, there are tent cities everywhere. The cost of renting or paying for a house is ridiculous, if it's doing so well, why is that happening?

    Victoria is very NIMBY, I've been to visit a good friend that lives there, and what she pays for a teeny townhouse, is way OTT. They live there for the weather, she cannot handle the cold, they just sold their car, they cant afford it. It's not all peaches and cream
    My niece just moved back to AB ( after 4 years) from Nanaimo, she has three small children, and she calls Nanaimo the dirty drug place, needles are everywhere, panhandlers are everywhere, again, if it's doing so well, dont they bother with their homeless
    She said she has heard more about housing the homeless in AB, than she ever did in BC
    BC is doing a lot for the homeless and those in need, but the issues are bigger here. Either way your comment is completely disingenuous which I guess is par for the course. BC will always have a bigger homeless population because simply put, it's a lot easier to be homeless in BC than the rest of Canada, and it's not uncommon for people to move here just for the weather aspect of homelessness. Alberta is Absolutely NOT doing more for the homelessness than BC. Just because they are more visible doesn't mean they aren't being helped. Additionally housing pressures will always be more extreme here, people are willing to take pay cuts and a pay a premium on housing that they wouldn't in other places.

    I have seen a lot of NIMBYism in Vancouver and Victoria, but it's no different than anywhere else. The difference is that 90% of development is infill instead of greenfield so the NIMBYism happens more often. As a result NIMBYism affects housing more substantially here because instead of a greenfield development occurring that would fill the gap left by a failed infill project, that development doesn't happen at all. The problems occurring in BC are largely because their success is amplifying existing problems that are unique to the province.
    I've lived all over BC, tent cities from Penticton to Nanaimo, and no help. So your full of it( protecting your little dippers) . Why are the homeless breaking into motorhomes in Saanich.? They have nowhere to go..
    Yes we all know NIMBY, that's everywhere,
    Links please where BC is doing so, so much

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5438499/b...dden-homeless/


    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...them-1.5148621
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    You can't be surprised, he's a mess without Butts. Just ask him about the waterboxthingy he drinks from..lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    ^ The whole press conference was tough. If you are proposing legislating about anything, especially climate change or banning plastics you have to be very sure that you have specific examples of things you did to help. The water bottle explanation was bad. Was he talking about water at home, water in bottles while working out. Either way, it just sounded like he was making things up.

    First off, having plastic water coolers at home is not good as most homes have water piped in from municipal water plants. If you are concerned about plastics, and the environment you would not buy plastic water bottles ( the large ones) from the store - and then use plastic or paper cups to drink from it at home. Why would you not just use ceramic cups at the very least. Let alone just use ceramic cups to drink tap water.

    Second. When working out. It is ok ( I am somewhat assuming ) to buy a reusable/ refillable plastic bottle, or even the new metal ones. Fill it up each time you work out. Can you imagine running with a paper bottle. How would that even work ?

    He may truly believe he's doing the right thing for Canada, but he is just not a good leader.
    but he has such good hair...

    it's not just that he's not a good leader, it's that he believes he is a good one and that the country is lucky to have him as leader.

    i'm not sure it's the "ems and ahs" as much as statements like "i have determined..." and "i have decided..." that are the more telling.

    it's not only - like the rest of us - that he doesn't know what he doesn't know, he doesn't seem to care about what he doesn't know, being convinced - like trump - that he knows better than anyone else what's best for everyone else.
    I'm trying to find a post, that you may have posted, about our false economy. I didn't have time to read it all, and now I cannot find it..even with search. Sorry if it wasn't you..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    I am just going to leave this here...

    https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-...in-quebec.html
    Just leaving that here to remind us that Albertan steel workers haven't been subsidized since when, four months ago?

    https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-...rn-canada.html

    Or maybe you were leaving that here to remind us that the Alberta and Saskatchewan subsidy was only three times the size of the Quebec one?

    Or maybe you were leaving that here to remind us that the subsidy for Alberta's pipeline was more than 300 times larger?

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    I guess this shows how much Justin cares about following laws.
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politi...urce-1.4516600

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    Seems to be having success on another front:

    Hate crimes drop in Canada for first time in years - BBC News

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49078558

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Seems to be having success on another front:

    Hate crimes drop in Canada for first time in years - BBC News

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49078558
    right... nominally less in 2018 than 2017 and still 50% greater than 2014 according to the graph in the linked article, an article that finishes by reporting:

    "Anti-hate advocates warn to take these numbers with a grain of salt, since many hate crimes are not reported to police.

    "We have to also be sceptical of the data given that police-reported hate crime statistics have many serious methodological flaws," tweeted the Canadian Anti-Hate Network."


    there's not too much real success on that front either as far as i can tell.
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    Scheer caught lying and the report's author calls him on it.

    Andrew Scheer torques study in claim about the new NAFTA deal

    In Ciuriak's assessment, Trump's "arbitrary unilateralism" made the CUSMA negotiations less about gains and more of an exercise in "cost minimization" for Canada.


    And he's slightly perplexed that the Conservatives are citing his work in their attempts to paint the deal as a failure.


    "Scheer's interpretation of our study is not an accurate one," he said.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fac...afta-1.5233104

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    to no-one's surprise, "Prime Minister Justin Trudeau violated Canada's conflict of interest law by improperly seeking to influence a criminal prosecution, Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion has concluded."

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...7-bf3ff8bdaeca
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    He was hoping for a different outlook, the ethics commission and JT, really know one another. He's such a turd..
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    The worst part about this, is the polls are neck and neck.
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    Nice to see that checks and balances are working. Or at least they are, after the fact. It'll be interesting to see if this moves the needle or not.

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    .JT thinks, he can say, but but Harper, and move on.

    People are paying attention! I don't believe they are neck and neck in the polls, JT should resign.

    JWR will comment when she's read the report


    Democracy watch , are saying, JT should be prosecuted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    The worst part about this, is the polls are neck and neck.
    Canadians have never been given a chance to make a clear choice in the next election.

    A. Shoot yourself in the left foot
    B. Shoot yourself in the right foot

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    This will blow over. He was just trying to save 3000 jobs in Quebec after all. Nice guy to be helping eastern provinces to keep jobs. In the west, well not so much. Federal elections are decided before counting reaches the Manitoba border so no worries there. (26m people living east of the Manitoba/Ontario border and 11m living west of). Ten weeks from now it will be Trudeau for four more years. (As if Andrew Scheer or Jagmeet Singh could win. Not) There is no one else. Imo. Myself personally I would like to see a different PM but chances of that are very slim. As I watch Andrew Scheer speaking from Regina I think nice guy but ......

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    Scheer was so much better, when answering questions. JT shut down any inquiries, limited what JWR could say, but not Butts. This reminds me of Adscam, so much. Finally we have the truth, most of us knew the PM was lying, but some liberals would still vote for corruption.
    A liberal report on a liberal scandal, when that liberal was in power during Adscam is weak and hilarious.
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    The Liberal Party of Canada has been forever corrupt. However, I find all politicians to be a little shady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    The Liberal Party of Canada has been forever corrupt. However, I find all politicians to be a little shady.
    A little shady, JT has been found guilty by the ethics commissioner , twice. JT still said it's about jobs, when SNC had said it wasn't. Watching CBC defending JT, is disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    This will blow over. He was just trying to save 3000 jobs in Quebec after all. Nice guy to be helping eastern provinces to keep jobs. In the west, well not so much. Federal elections are decided before counting reaches the Manitoba border so no worries there. (26m people living east of the Manitoba/Ontario border and 11m living west of). Ten weeks from now it will be Trudeau for four more years. (As if Andrew Scheer or Jagmeet Singh could win. Not) There is no one else. Imo. Myself personally I would like to see a different PM but chances of that are very slim. As I watch Andrew Scheer speaking from Regina I think nice guy but ......
    Yeah, buying a pipeline for billions of dollars had NOTHING to do with western jobs.

    The report is in. The penalty should be served. That's how the system is supposed to work.

    If he was a Conservative, I'd bet real money that H.L. would be screaming about how it was all a plot and "fake news"

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    I'm betting, without looking, or caring vapid KKK, is defending JT.lol
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    JT broke the law, he reacted as if he did nothing wrong. He violated rules. I hope we hear from JWR!
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    https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/1...f-Power-Final/

    Not to engage in whataboutism here, but to say the Conservatives are somehow cleaner than the Liberals requires a massive double dose of cognitive dissonance & willful ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    This will blow over. He was just trying to save 3000 jobs in Quebec after all. Nice guy to be helping eastern provinces to keep jobs. In the west, well not so much. Federal elections are decided before counting reaches the Manitoba border so no worries there. (26m people living east of the Manitoba/Ontario border and 11m living west of). Ten weeks from now it will be Trudeau for four more years. (As if Andrew Scheer or Jagmeet Singh could win. Not) There is no one else. Imo. Myself personally I would like to see a different PM but chances of that are very slim. As I watch Andrew Scheer speaking from Regina I think nice guy but ......
    Yeah, buying a pipeline for billions of dollars had NOTHING to do with western jobs.

    The report is in. The penalty should be served. That's how the system is supposed to work.

    If he was a Conservative, I'd bet real money that H.L. would be screaming about how it was all a plot and "fake news"
    emphasis added...

    so far i'd have to say that even though your opening statement was meant to be facetious, it's probably pretty damned accurate.

    because there certainly haven't been any new jobs created - or old jobs protected - that i'm aware of.

    they didn't invest billions of dollars in new jobs, they spent billions of dollars acquiring an existing pipeline and then only because they had backed themselves into a such a stupid corner it was politically expedient and nothing more because they needed to be seen as doing "something" and they had closed every other single option available to them (not exhausted, closed).

    the one saving grace is that its revenues at least provide a positive return on the acquisition they made on our behalf even though a case could be made that they drastically overpaid.

    and what if they had not bought it at all? the pipeline would continue to be operating and the very same number of western jobs would have been affected in exactly the same way.
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    It's not like everyone was waiting in their trucks with the engines running Ken. Note the date.

    Trans Mountain pipeline construction to resume in Burnaby after NEB approval
    August 3, 2019 5:30 pm

    The National Energy Board (NEB) has given the green light for construction to resume this year at two Burnaby, B.C., terminals linked to the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.


    In a letter sent Thursday to Trans Mountain Canada, the NEB approved Trans Mountain’s request to resume work at the Westridge Marine Terminal and Kinder Morgan’s Burnaby terminal.


    Construction will also ramp up again on the Burnaby Mountain Tunnel that will connect the two terminals.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5724245/t...ction-resumes/
    And the main reason that things got as tied up as they did was that the Harper era deregulations were found to be unconstitutional in regards to environmental and native consultation. So they had to go back and do it again.

    But I'm sure you were just too worried what sort of socks people are wearing to pay attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It's not like everyone was waiting in their trucks with the engines running Ken. Note the date.

    Trans Mountain pipeline construction to resume in Burnaby after NEB approval
    August 3, 2019 5:30 pm

    The National Energy Board (NEB) has given the green light for construction to resume this year at two Burnaby, B.C., terminals linked to the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.


    In a letter sent Thursday to Trans Mountain Canada, the NEB approved Trans Mountain’s request to resume work at the Westridge Marine Terminal and Kinder Morgan’s Burnaby terminal.


    Construction will also ramp up again on the Burnaby Mountain Tunnel that will connect the two terminals.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5724245/t...ction-resumes/
    And the main reason that things got as tied up as they did was that the Harper era deregulations were found to be unconstitutional in regards to environmental and native consultation. So they had to go back and do it again.

    But I'm sure you were just too worried what sort of socks people are wearing to pay attention.
    "First, the Government of Canada has approved the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Expansion Project.

    This pipeline will twin a line that has been in operation since 1953, which extends from Edmonton, Alberta, to Burnaby, British Columbia.

    The project will effectively triple our capacity to get Canadian energy resources to international markets beyond the Unites States.

    It will create 15,000 new, middle class jobs – the majority of them in the trades.

    This major initiative will get hardworking Canadians back to work, put food on the table for middle class families, and grow and strengthen our communities.


    It will give much needed new hope to thousands of hard-working people in Alberta’s conventional energy sector, who have suffered a great deal over the past few years.
    Aside from the many and obvious economic benefits, we approved this project because it meets the strictest of environmental standards, and fits within our national climate plan."

    sound familiar? that was the boy wonder announcing his approval of the trans mountain pipeline expansion. why do i call it "his" approval? because he followed that up with:

    "to all Canadians — I want to say this: if I thought this project was unsafe for the BC coast, I would reject it. This is a decision based on rigorous debate, on science and on evidence. We have not been and will not be swayed by political arguments -- be they local, regional or national."

    you can read the whole thing here:

    https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/speeches/20...e-announcement

    and, for the record, i neither know nor care what sort of socks he wore that day.

    "that day", by the way, was november 29, 2016.

    if any of those 15,000 new middle class job workers were waiting in their trucks with the engines running, it's pretty much guaranteed that they've all have run out of gas in the interim.

    and, as the boy wonder says himself, the decision had nothing to do with harper - or anyone else for that matter - and everything to do with his "thoughts" as to what is or isn't unsafe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/1...f-Power-Final/

    Not to engage in whataboutism here, but to say the Conservatives are somehow cleaner than the Liberals requires a massive double dose of cognitive dissonance & willful ignorance.
    But that's exactly what you're engaging in here. Harper is not the PM, and he's not even in opposition. He's totally irrelevant as far as this matter goes. Wells and Geddes both put out excellent pieces, as usual, in response to today's report:

    https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ott...faults-the-pm/

    https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ott...its-best-case/

    Trudeau's response so far today has been absolutely unacceptable. He "takes full responsibility" but disagrees with most of the findings? What the hell does that even mean? At this point he and Randy Boissonnault have entirely lost my vote. Which is unfortunate, as I'm not all that interested in voting for Scheer and the Conservatives, nor the NDP or Greens. Normally it takes a Liberal government a solid 2-3 terms before they get arrogant enough to think that ethics are secondary to their re-election chances. JT managed that in record time. It's a shame because as far as policy goes, I didn't have many big concerns. But JT has shown he's not cut out for the job ethically or in terms of seriousness (playing Mr. Dressup and pissing off an entire sub-continent. Namaste!).

    Here's to hoping for some sort of minority government and JT resigning after the election to clear the way for Freeland or someone else who knows ethics from a hole in the ground.

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    Ethics-honesty-responsibility-politics

    Three of these words goes with the other...
    Three of these words are kinda the same...

    One of these words is just Ottawa
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    Trudeau should do the right thing and resign now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Trudeau should do the right thing and resign now.
    if he knew how to do the right thing he wouldn't be in the position of having to do the right thing...

    not to worry though, he's turning into a good example of the pitfalls of simply not knowing what you don't know while continuing to believe only you know what's best.
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    Global national did a nice piece on SNC and JT. Including his telling Canadians, that when the G&M broke the story/scandal, it was all untrue. He's a shallow mutt, but a good liar..
    JWR stated, everything she had said, was in the ethics report, she feels vindicated.. I hope she wins her seat.
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    I am not defending Trudeau but just putting into context the right wing is the first to throw stones

    Yup, Harper did not step down after his many abuses of power. Previous Liberal goverments were awash in corruption and ethics violation. Jean Chretien comes to mind.


    Harper, Serial Abuser of Power: The Evidence Compiled
    The Tyee’s full, updated list of 70 Harper government assaults on democracy and the law.
    https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/1...f-Power-Final/


    Here are just a sample

    PMO Tied to Senate Hush Money Scandal

    Harper Found in Contempt of Parliament

    Against Court Order, Refusal to Share Budget Info

    Conservative Cabinet Staffers Granted Immunity from Testimony

    Conservatives Falsify Reports and Documents.

    Repeated Duplicity in Afghan Detainees Controversy

    Harper Minister Lies, Blames Statistics Canada for Killing Long Form Census

    Conservative MP Admits He Lied to Parliament

    Harper Maligns the Supreme Court Chief Justice

    Conservatives Engage in Abuse of Process with Omnibus Bills

    Harper Minister Caught in Advertising Scam with Public Funds

    The Silencing of the Public Service

    Loyalty Oaths Imposed on Public Servants

    Harper Government Sued by Justice Department Whistleblower

    Clampdown on Freedom of Speech of Diplomatic Corps

    Undue Interference with Independent Agencies

    Conservatives Place Party Logos on Government of Canada Cheques

    Record Amounts of Partisan Political Advertising, on the Public Purse

    Harper Smears Liberal Sikh MP, Insinuating Tie to Terrorism

    Conservatives Run Undercover Sting Operations

    Conservative Convicted on Robocalls Scam

    Cons’ Elections Bill Strips Power from Elections Canada

    Illegitimate Prorogation of Parliament, Twice
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    not defending? bull...

    there is exactly zero point to engage in your what-about-ism if not to downplay the significance of todays findings (and everything else that led to them) and defend the boy wonder.

    not that it's surprising to see that liberal support coming out of montreal under the guise of being non-partisan and objective when it comes to politics.

    after all, we know that all of the problems we have in ottawa are really because there's too much alberta in ottawa and it upsets the natural order of things…
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    Are you trying to profile me based upon where I live?

    I voted for Harper too. I have been sitting on the fence politically and am totally undecided on who to vote for this year.

    Yeah, I guess you missed the point where I pointed out Liberal past issues including Jean Chretien.

    As far as I recall, he was a Liberal PM as well.

    kcantor, if you are soooooo smart, can you tell me who is the perfectly ethical candidate for PM that I can vote for?

    Waiting for your answer with antici-pation
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    kcantor, on the subject of Trans Mountain.

    Kinder Morgan was not looking to sell the existing pipeline but wanted to cancel the expansion project due to unrelenting opposition in BC. The only way to keep the expansion project alive was for the federal government to buy the existing pipeline and related assets like the marine terminal and the tank farms at each end of the line.

    Construction on the expansion project began last Spring only to be brought to an abrupt halt in late August 2018 when the Federal Court of Appeal struck down the federal approval issued in November 2016. The federal approval was re-issued in June 2019 and construction is once again underway.

    The Trudeau government can be faulted for many things but buying Trans Mountain to keep the expansion project alive is not one of them. Had Trudeau followed Andrew Scheer's advice at the time to not purchase Trans Mountain, the expansion project would have been dead by now and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    kcantor, on the subject of Trans Mountain.

    Kinder Morgan was not looking to sell the existing pipeline but wanted to cancel the expansion project due to unrelenting opposition in BC. The only way to keep the expansion project alive was for the federal government to buy the existing pipeline and related assets like the marine terminal and the tank farms at each end of the line.

    Construction on the expansion project began last Spring only to be brought to an abrupt halt in late August 2018 when the Federal Court of Appeal struck down the federal approval issued in November 2016. The federal approval was re-issued in June 2019 and construction is once again underway.

    The Trudeau government can be faulted for many things but buying Trans Mountain to keep the expansion project alive is not one of them. Had Trudeau followed Andrew Scheer's advice at the time to not purchase Trans Mountain, the expansion project would have been dead by now and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
    This is correct. I'm not a Liberal supporter by any stretch, but this was their one good economical move they made.
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    ^ We should have never ended up in this type of situation where we doubling a pipeline in a existing row, which would enable us to sell our commodities to a market, other than the US.
    All of our competitors must be just rolling their eyes.

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    If the Trudeau government bought Bombardier, a whole bunch of people would have lost their minds.

    They bought Trans Mountain and those same people have to be reminded of that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Are you trying to profile me based upon where I live?

    I voted for Harper too. I have been sitting on the fence politically and am totally undecided on who to vote for this year.

    Yeah, I guess you missed the point where I pointed out Liberal past issues including Jean Chretien.

    As far as I recall, he was a Liberal PM as well.

    kcantor, if you are soooooo smart, can you tell me who is the perfectly ethical candidate for PM that I can vote for?

    Waiting for your answer with antici-pation
    i wish i could tell you who the perfectly ethical candidate for pm is that you - or i - could vote for even if we had a direct vote for pm.

    this may be one of those elections where the riding candidate will earn my vote with the party/party leader being able to impose a "veto" on my first choice where it's often the other way around (ie where there is a preference for a party's/leader's platform but no way to vote for the local *****).
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    For me, I had some hope for Scheer. That evaporated with his many comments and actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    not defending? bull...

    there is exactly zero point to engage in your what-about-ism if not to downplay the significance of todays findings (and everything else that led to them) and defend the boy wonder.

    not that it's surprising to see that liberal support coming out of montreal under the guise of being non-partisan and objective when it comes to politics.

    after all, we know that all of the problems we have in ottawa are really because there's too much alberta in ottawa and it upsets the natural order of things…
    So you're opposed to Trudeau's actions in regards to SNC Lavalin but would be in full favour of him telling the courts that they shouldn't have delayed Trans-Mountain again? How exactly does that work?

    He's responsible in the case of SNC but totally to blame in the other?

    How about Northern Gateway? Trudeau to blame for that too?

    Court quashes Enbridge pipeline, slams Harper government for ignoring First Nations
    By Mike De Souza in News, Energy | June 30th 2016

    In their ruling, the judges from the appeal court said Harper's government rushed the consultation process, with orders from the "highest level of government" directing that information of federal knowledge about the harmful impacts of the project "not be shared with any First Nation."


    "The inadequacies—more than just a handful and more than mere imperfections—left entire subjects of central interest to the affected First Nations, sometimes subjects affecting their subsistence and well-being, entirely ignored," said the June 23 court decision that was publicly released on Thursday. "Many impacts of the project... were left undisclosed, undiscussed and unconsidered. It would have taken Canada little time and little organizational effort to engage in meaningful dialogue on these and other subjects of prime importance to Aboriginal peoples. But this did not happen."

    https://www.nationalobserver.com/201...ignoring-first

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