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    "The fundamental job of any Canadian prime minister is to hold this country together, to gather us together and move forward in the right way."

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tor...deau-1.5171359

    maybe it's time the boy wonder looked in the mirror and asked himself how well he's managing to do that so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    I cite this only because of how deluded it is.

    Dallaire condemns Trudeaus declaration of Genocide in Canada and so this delusional perspective is written;

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/romeo-...wandas/5680017

    "Interestingly, Dallaire’s criteria for a genocide — “a deliberate act of a government to exterminate deliberately” — better applies to indigenous people in Canada than to the Tutsi in Rwanda"

    Its sad if people can't even recognize the difference of what occurred in Rwanda vs Canada.
    There’s the word and the definition provided by the guy that made up the term and then there’s the convention and connotation applying to the word today.

    Then there’s further usages such as “cultural genocide” which seems redundant by the original intent of the word’s creator but makes sense in terms of killing the beliefs while keeping the people.

    My view is that to murder all members of a group is acting with different intent than to force assimilation. The forced assimilation is driven more by a sense of cultural, religious or other superiority or by necessity in terms of an occupation of another group’s lands and not some warped hatred and desire to end the lives of people.

    As such mass murder is an attempt at extermination. The word genocide is not just a synonym of extermination. A dead person a dead bloodline is something different that someone and their progeny being forced to adopt a different religion, or language, political stripe, etc.

    So genocide might fit but we aren’t ready for that connotation definition. Eg We talk a good story about respecting other cultures. If desiring a multi-cultural tolerant society but then in nearly the same breath talk up the fact that most children of immigrants tend to assimilate. (We don’t want the children of immigrants desiring and demanding their cultural right to multiple wives, etc.)

    Then in terms of planting ideological beliefs we aren’t above going after everyone’s children. Just last week I heard someone on CBC Radio defending CBC and saying something to very close to: we have to get them when they are young. She said that on the air and I expect she viewed they as a reasonable strategy, like taking children to church, but the first thing I thought was that it was a despicable suggestion aimed at the indoctrination of young impressionable and malleable minds.)

    An assimilate-or-die policy is something in between but not far off outright murdering a people. In the name of assimilation a passive-aggressive approach via withholding food and medicine, cheating on treaties and essentially stealing sustainable lands, etc. is also either pretty evil intent or willful negligence.



    What does it mean to call Canada's treatment of Indigenous women a 'genocide'?
    | CBC News

    "My definition of genocide, I read it very deliberately at the start of the Rwandan genocide," he told CBC News. "And it was a deliberate act of a government to exterminate, deliberately and by force and directly, an ethnicity or a group of human beings. And that meant actually going and slaughtering people."
    Dallaire said that the commissioners were right to highlight the systemic racism and double standards that have blighted the Indigenous experience in this country, and Canada's "horrible failure" to ensure that all its citizens are protected.

    "That is scandalous and that is unacceptable in a country that has a Charter and believes that all humans are human," he said.

    "Is that an act of genocide? Is it? Is it deliberate, do we want that to happen? Or is our government just that inept and has been that irresponsible to these people over all these years?

    "I'm simply having a problem of going and leaping to an international convention on a definition of ... “

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ind...deau-1.5162541
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    "The fundamental job of any Canadian prime minister is to hold this country together, to gather us together and move forward in the right way."

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tor...deau-1.5171359

    maybe it's time the boy wonder looked in the mirror and asked himself how well he's managing to do that so far.
    Outside of Alberta, this strategy is unlikely to work well for the Conservatives. The longer Trudeau can keep the conversation away from SNC Lavalin and on the environment the more he will be able to sway centre-left voters back to his side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    "The fundamental job of any Canadian prime minister is to hold this country together, to gather us together and move forward in the right way."

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tor...deau-1.5171359

    maybe it's time the boy wonder looked in the mirror and asked himself how well he's managing to do that so far.
    Maybe it's Jason Kenney that needs to look in the mirror.


    Jason Kenney warns of Alberta separation over Trudeau's environmental legislation

    Just two days after being sworn in as premier of Alberta, Jason Kenney spoke candidly about separation from Canada as he decried federal environmental legislation as a "full frontal attack" on Alberta's economic prosperity and a "blatant violation of the Constitution."


    Speaking before the Senate’s standing committee on energy, the environment and natural resources, he said if the legislation is passed in its current form, it will be “a disaster for the economy and will seriously rupture national unity.”


    Kenney, a former federal cabinet minister in the Stephen Harper government, insisted that he was a “proud Canadian” and not advocating Alberta separatism, but federal ministers suggested his claims were false and irresponsible, provoking polarization.


    Kenney’s visit came two days after an energy company walked away from more than 4,000 wells, leaving over $300 million in clean up liabilities.

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    It was the former Harper government that inserted provisions into environmental laws that gave federal cabinet ministers veto power over independent reviews of new projects. Kenney was a minister in cabinet when that legislation was adopted in 2012. The Harper government’s legislation also dramatically reduced federal oversight of industrial projects, cancelling thousands of environmental reviews overnight after it was adopted.

    https://www.nationalobserver.com/201...al-legislation
    Like his complaints about equalization when he was part of the government that brought in the current formula.

    UCP leader Jason Kenney prepared to hold referendum over equalization payments

    He pointed to a Supreme Court of Canada decision 21 years ago that concluded if Quebec were to hold another referendum to separate from Canada and a clear majority voted in favour of secession, the federal government would have no way to block or deny Quebec from separating, so long as negotiations are done in good faith.


    Based on that decision he said Alberta could hold its own referendum to amend the constitution and seek a “new deal” within the Canadian federation.


    “I believe we could do this with our friends next door in Saskatchewan, the other major ‘have province’ and contributor to fiscal federalism,” said Kenney. “It wouldn’t guarantee a particular outcome, but what it would do is to elevate our fight for fairness to the top of the national agenda.”


    James Muir, an associate professor with the department of history and faculty of law at the University of Alberta, cast doubt on Kenney’s promise.


    “The referendum would have no legal effect and his reference to the Quebec referendum either suggests he doesn’t understand constitutional law or he’s using it to essentially lie to people,” said Muir, explaining the Supreme Court decision was about how a province can separate from Canada not about how it can amend the constitution.

    https://www.rmoutlook.com/article/uc...ments-20190314
    Looks like Kloset Kase Kenney (thanks for pointing out that nicknames are fun kcantor!) is blaming other for problems he had a hand in creating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Yeah, Global Research is very, very good at slipping past people's BS detectors. But it's pretty much nothing but all sorts of anti-West, looney tunes commentary.
    And it's not even consistently left-wing. They'll pretty much publish anyone who says the west, particularly the USA, is evil, so I've seen them host articles about how the Americans are trying to force "cultural Marxism"(which is basically an alt-right dog-whistle for "feminism and gay rights") on the world, and they've even reposted Fox News articles purporting to debunk Trump/Russia. Both those positions of course being in line with Putin's agenda.

    But yeah, on the surface, it looks like a standard left-wing site focused on foreign-policy, until you dig a little deeper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    "cultural Marxism"(which is basically an alt-right dog-whistle for "feminism and gay rights")

    Stop that nonsense right now.

    Cultural Marxism is the end goal of social justice and identity politics. For example, lumping individual people together into hypothetical "groups" (i.e white heterosexual males) then attempting to "constrain" that group in an effort to elevate other hypothetical groups.

    It was done to a great extent in the 20th century in actual countries run by Marxists. And it led to the starvation, internment, torture, and deaths of tens of millions of "privileged" (according to the cultural Marxists) people.

    Alt-right dog whistle, my ***. Peoples' apathy towards the radical far-left (who push cultural Marxism) is going to lead them and their children to be starved and sent to concentration camps, just like what happened to the ancestors of many of us who fled to Canada and the USA to escape it.

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    Actually it is a misnomer.

    Marxism is the exact opposite of "lumping people into groups"

    Marxism; is a type of economic system proposed by Karl Marx in which there are no classes.
    The government would control all resources and means of production to, in theory, ensure equality.
    You obviously failed in political science and history
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    "cultural Marxism"(which is basically an alt-right dog-whistle for "feminism and gay rights")

    Stop that nonsense right now.

    Cultural Marxism is the end goal of social justice and identity politics. For example, lumping individual people together into hypothetical "groups" (i.e white heterosexual males) then attempting to "constrain" that group in an effort to elevate other hypothetical groups.

    It was done to a great extent in the 20th century in actual countries run by Marxists. And it led to the starvation, internment, torture, and deaths of tens of millions of "privileged" (according to the cultural Marxists) people.

    Alt-right dog whistle, my ***. Peoples' apathy towards the radical far-left (who push cultural Marxism) is going to lead them and their children to be starved and sent to concentration camps, just like what happened to the ancestors of many of us who fled to Canada and the USA to escape it.
    Over the centuries though, that’s been a rare situation. By far it’s the rule by a few autocrats, religious leaders, kings dictators, etc and impoverishment and starvation of a huge percentage of the population. The death toll probably has been many times greater than Marxist led mass murders. (Eg Irish Potato famine, most famines even today) Kingdoms, and dictatorships have been and still are so common that it seems to be a sad natural state for human communities. Democracy and actual socialism are rare. Even self proclaimed socialist countries are farces and are actually just dictatorships with the privileged few living far better than the average citizen.

    Marxism just isn’t a big threat. Though a group may use it as a means to fooling a population and followers in order to grab power.

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    Same goes for capitalism, democracy and Marxism
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    In this thread:

    Whiners complaining about the liberals being in power while in another thread, telling people to suck it up, as their party is in power provincially and the other one lost.

    Hypocrisy at it's best.

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    Bang on Medwards.

    That is the value of hypocrisy, the double standard gift that keeps on giving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Actually it is a misnomer.

    Marxism is the exact opposite of "lumping people into groups"

    Marxism; is a type of economic system proposed by Karl Marx in which there are no classes.
    The government would control all resources and means of production to, in theory, ensure equality.
    You obviously failed in political science and history
    There never has been or can be true Marxism in this world. Why? People. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately.

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    "Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."

    George Orwell, '1984'
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    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
    There never has been or can be true Marxism in this world. Why? People. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately.
    I think the only way it could be achieved is if you took people out of the equation - maybe a bot to lead the government / decide who does what jobs and what they deserve to earn (like Max Headroom). Sad reality is communism always leads to dictatorship / corruption - in China we now see a President for life, in Cuba we have a family that lives a super rich lifestyle in a secure compound that runs the country, and its the same in North Korea.
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    The rich and powerful will always step on the heads of the weak and the poor.



    From Bernie Sanders

    "While President Trump and his fellow oligarchs attack us for our support of democratic socialism, they don't really oppose all forms of socialism," Sanders plans to say in the speech, according to CNN. "They may hate democratic socialism because it benefits working people, but they absolutely love corporate socialism that enriches Trump and other billionaires."

    "We must recognize that in the 21st century, in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, economic rights are human rights. This is what I mean by democratic socialism."
    “What democratic socialism essentially means to me is completing the vision that Franklin Delano Roosevelt started some 85 years ago, and that is to go forward in the wealthiest country in the history of the world and guarantee a decent economic standard of living in life for all of our people,” he said. “And to do that, obviously we have to combat oligarchy and the incredibly unfair and unequal distribution of wealth and income, and to take on the incredible political power that the 1 percent have.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by downtownone View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
    There never has been or can be true Marxism in this world. Why? People. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately.
    I think the only way it could be achieved is if you took people out of the equation - maybe a bot to lead the government / decide who does what jobs and what they deserve to earn (like Max Headroom). Sad reality is communism always leads to dictatorship / corruption - in China we now see a President for life, in Cuba we have a family that lives a super rich lifestyle in a secure compound that runs the country, and its the same in North Korea.
    and in the USA, we a have a president that thinks he should be president for life.

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    He KNOWS he should be president for life and gets frustrated that everyone else can't see it too.

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    He is ENTITLED to be President for life because he is Donald Trump. Everyone loves him and he is wonderful, you just don't know it yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    In this thread:

    Whiners complaining about the liberals being in power while in another thread, telling people to suck it up, as their party is in power provincially and the other one lost.

    Hypocrisy at it's best.
    It goes both ways. That’s been obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by downtownone View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
    There never has been or can be true Marxism in this world. Why? People. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately.
    I think the only way it could be achieved is if you took people out of the equation - maybe a bot to lead the government / decide who does what jobs and what they deserve to earn (like Max Headroom). Sad reality is communism always leads to dictatorship / corruption - in China we now see a President for life, in Cuba we have a family that lives a super rich lifestyle in a secure compound that runs the country, and its the same in North Korea.
    and in the USA, we a have a president that thinks he should be president for life.
    And his kids should then take over from him.

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    Default Ban on Single Use Plastics - how then can free and safe needles be handed out?

    So, what is more important to Truedau - saving the world/environment, or making sure prisoners don't get infectious diseases?

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5373931/o...n-site-prison/

    While the pilot program is being praised by medical and drug policy experts as a positive measure to curb rising overdoses behind bars, correctional officers are wary of being forced to acknowledge — and even accept — that illicit drugs are being consumed on their watch.


    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...e-use-plastics

    Syringes, IV tubing, saline bags, plastic-wrapped drugs, catheters — hospitals couldn’t function without plastics.


    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ully-dumb-idea

    The ocean plastic isn’t coming from Canada. In fact, more than half of it is coming from just five countries: China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam. The reason? They don’t have proper dumps.


    I wonder how this is all going to play out with the Bubble Tea connoisseurs in important demographic markets in BC...
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    Quote Originally Posted by downtownone View Post
    So, what is more important to Truedau - saving the world/environment, or making sure prisoners don't get infectious diseases?

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5373931/o...n-site-prison/

    While the pilot program is being praised by medical and drug policy experts as a positive measure to curb rising overdoses behind bars, correctional officers are wary of being forced to acknowledge — and even accept — that illicit drugs are being consumed on their watch.


    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...e-use-plastics

    Syringes, IV tubing, saline bags, plastic-wrapped drugs, catheters — hospitals couldn’t function without plastics.


    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ully-dumb-idea

    The ocean plastic isn’t coming from Canada. In fact, more than half of it is coming from just five countries: China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam. The reason? They don’t have proper dumps.


    I wonder how this is all going to play out with the Bubble Tea connoisseurs in important demographic markets in BC...
    Loaves of bread and meat wrapped in newspapers.

    And keep an eye out for the return of glass pop bottles.
    ;-(
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    ^I remember paper bags at the grocery store. I'm not sure that's really anymore environmental though (I thought everyone was trying to cut down on paper). Its all about "virtue signalling", until it impacts an addict or a patients life. Like the ban on whales and dolphins in captivity, but it turns out, that only exists at one place in Canada (Marineland, Niagara), and surprise surprise, they get an exemption (so what's the F%$# point in the legislation?)

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5376846/c...an-marineland/
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    i have continued to "follow" paula simons activities and her reporting on them since she was appointed to the senate and wanted to share a recent comment posted elsewhere:

    Paula Simons, you have posted some very interesting articles and links in the past while - enough that I had some difficulty deciding which one to comment on. I picked this one only because you were there solely as a representative, not somewhere with a representative position on a subject. Anyone who knows me knows my opinions on our current prime minister and his party and his government and I won't use this post as a forum for those opinions other than to say your appointment as a senator may be one of the few decisions he has made that proves all of his decisions and choices aren't terrible ones. You have done an outstanding job filling the very large shoes of your predecessor and an even better one on communicating your activities and those of the senate to many who think the body does nothing at all, never mind anything of substance. To which all of us can only say "thank you, keep up the good work" - it is such a treat to see someone act and make decisions based on nothing but good information and a good conscience and be prepared to share the entire process.
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    What. A. Joke.

    ...skip to 1:31 if you can hardly stand the stammering...it’s where he stumbles trying to say what his family does to reduce plastics.

    https://youtu.be/Y7orwIHuabY

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    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
    What. A. Joke.

    ...skip to 1:31 if you can hardly stand the stammering...it’s where he stumbles trying to say what his family does to reduce plastics.

    https://youtu.be/Y7orwIHuabY
    No big deal. I don’t expect politicians to have wonderful well spun sound bites all crafted up for every possible question.

    Similarly I don’t freak out or go hypercritical if a politician trips or stumbles getting on or off an airplane or getting into a vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
    What. A. Joke.

    ...skip to 1:31 if you can hardly stand the stammering...it’s where he stumbles trying to say what his family does to reduce plastics.

    https://youtu.be/Y7orwIHuabY
    No big deal. I don’t expect politicians to have wonderful well spun sound bites all crafted up for every possible question.

    Similarly I don’t freak out or go hypercritical if a politician trips or stumbles getting on or off an airplane or getting into a vehicle.
    Saying they switched to plastic bottles and then paper water cartons? I’ve never even seen a paper water carton before...
    ...just goes to show how out of touch with reality he is. So easy to have said they switched to using reusable water bottles or even glass cups...
    ...and banning single use plastics without any clue of how they’re going to implement it...listening to him makes my head hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
    What. A. Joke.

    ...skip to 1:31 if you can hardly stand the stammering...it’s where he stumbles trying to say what his family does to reduce plastics.

    https://youtu.be/Y7orwIHuabY
    No big deal. I don’t expect politicians to have wonderful well spun sound bites all crafted up for every possible question.

    Similarly I don’t freak out or go hypercritical if a politician trips or stumbles getting on or off an airplane or getting into a vehicle.
    If your are the PM announcing what we will do with plastic, you would think he knows what he does at home. He should of stopped digging, it was as if he was lying.* cough*
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
    What. A. Joke.

    ...skip to 1:31 if you can hardly stand the stammering...it’s where he stumbles trying to say what his family does to reduce plastics.

    https://youtu.be/Y7orwIHuabY
    No big deal. I don’t expect politicians to have wonderful well spun sound bites all crafted up for every possible question.

    Similarly I don’t freak out or go hypercritical if a politician trips or stumbles getting on or off an airplane or getting into a vehicle.
    If your are the PM announcing what we will do with plastic, you would think he knows what he does at home. He should of stopped digging, it was as if he was lying.* cough*
    Producing a video on this is nitpicking by moronic political enemies.

    Would you think it reasonable if I tried to undermine you or GranaryMan at every turn by pointing out every grammatical and spelling error in your posts? I overlook them knowing that they are not a reflection of your intelligence. I focus on your message and not the awkwardness you’re displaying.
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    Basically it comes down to taxpayers being tired of footing the entire landfill and recycling bill for universality of garbage disposal. In the 1990s it was about avoiding creating a new landfill at hundreds of millions of tax dollars. Now imagine the costs today and going into the future for landfilling garbage considering our much larger population and the amount of disposable packaging being used these days.



    Elise Stolte: Recycling as we know it failed. Edmonton seeks new approach before reinvesting – Edmonton Journal

    We believed a fairy tale for decades, virtuously filling blue bags and setting them by the curb.

    ELISE STOLTE June 5, 2019

    “The cost of more responsible packaging likely gets passed down to the consumer, but the fees pay for processing waste at the other end. Hopefully, the system also reduces the amount of plastic created in the first place.

    Unsurprisingly, all major municipalities are now behind this lobby effort. They’re starting consultation ...”


    “Officials says sorting equipment needs to be completely replaced at a cost ....

    “We don’t want to go through any significant changes now,” says Michael Robertson, who’s responsible for Edmonton’s recycling facility. “It’s not the best, but we’re doing the best we can with the situation.”

    Funny. If you step back, that comment is actually refreshing, no? For decades, we were sold a bill of goods on how great Edmonton recycling was. Now the city is at least being honest: there is no silver bullet. Recycling is not easy. We need new solutions.”

    https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/...re-reinvesting
    Bolding mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Actually it is a misnomer.

    Marxism is the exact opposite of "lumping people into groups"

    Marxism; is a type of economic system proposed by Karl Marx in which there are no classes.
    The government would control all resources and means of production to, in theory, ensure equality.
    You obviously failed in political science and history
    You obviously didn't read my definition of cultural Marxism. Yes, Marxism = each individual is the same

    But CULTURAL Marxism = each GROUP of people is the same

    Whether you like that term "cultural Marxism" or not, you have to admit that some folks on the radical left are pushing for "group equality" in our society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Actually it is a misnomer.

    Marxism is the exact opposite of "lumping people into groups"

    Marxism; is a type of economic system proposed by Karl Marx in which there are no classes.
    The government would control all resources and means of production to, in theory, ensure equality.
    You obviously failed in political science and history
    You obviously didn't read my definition of cultural Marxism. Yes, Marxism = each individual is the same

    But CULTURAL Marxism = each GROUP of people is the same

    Whether you like that term "cultural Marxism" or not, you have to admit that some folks on the radical left are pushing for "group equality" in our society.
    China’s New Class Hierarchy: A Guide – Foreign Policy
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/25...archy-a-guide/



    Even by its own standards, communism has failed miserably - CapX

    “One of the chief goals of communism, for example, was the creation of a classless society. It was to that end that Soviets killed millions of industrialists, financiers, shop owners, successful peasants and other “parasites.” But, as the New York Times reporter Hedrick Smith observed in his, in my view unsurpassed, examination of the Soviet Union, Russia under communism was a highly stratified society.

    In his 1974 bestseller The Russians, Smith noted that members of the Soviet politburo and their families occupied the highest perch in the Soviet society, enjoying access to special shops, schools and hospitals, as well as virtual immunity from persecution, unsupervised trips abroad and free access to Western publications. Other high-value citizens, including, by his own admission, the nuclear physicist Andrei Sakharov, enjoyed perks that ordinary Russians could only dream about.”

    https://capx.co/even-by-its-own-stan...led-miserably/
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    What. A. Joke.

    ...skip to 1:31 if you can hardly stand the stammering...it’s where he stumbles trying to say what his family does to reduce plastics.

    https://youtu.be/Y7orwIHuabY
    No big deal. I don’t expect politicians to have wonderful well spun sound bites all crafted up for every possible question.

    Similarly I don’t freak out or go hypercritical if a politician trips or stumbles getting on or off an airplane or getting into a vehicle.
    If your are the PM announcing what we will do with plastic, you would think he knows what he does at home. He should of stopped digging, it was as if he was lying.* cough*
    Producing a video on this is nitpicking by moronic political enemies.

    Would you think it reasonable if I tried to undermine you or GranaryMan at every turn by pointing out every grammatical and spelling error in your posts? I overlook them knowing that they are not a reflection of your intelligence. I focus on your message and not the awkwardness you’re displaying.
    I am not the leader of a country, and this isn’t a one off occurrence. Every time he speaks, he stumbles for words and it makes him appear unintelligent, or too arrogant to read the keynotes and speeches prepared for him.

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    ^Agreed. The leader of the country is held to a higher standard. His Ahhs, and umms are terrible, almost as bad as Stéphane Dion. Stephen Harper was much more capable as PM than JT.

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    ^Agreed. The leader of the country is held to a higher standard. His Ahhs, and umms are terrible, almost as bad as Stéphane Dion. Stephen Harper was much more capable as PM than JT.
    Its hard to have consistent flow in oratory when you are aware of how many lies and basic mistruths are spoken. Lying outs itself. It does in stammering, pauses, confusion, misstatements.

    Try it some time. Its much harder to stand up in front of people and tell what you know are bold faced lies.

    I'm not convinced Trudeaus main problem is oratory. I think he's good at some aspect of that. His main problem is continually painting himself in a corner, leaving unintended consequences, and trying to not so white lie his way out of it.

    The other day he's blaming the cons for playing petty, partisan politics. I can't believe he doesn't even notice the irony. I think he does, but he's into trolling the house by now. Seeing how far he can go and still get blind faith by Liberal followers. Indeed Trudeau has been reinforced countless times by how accepting the Liberal support is in this country. Its quite possible Trudeau intended to follow through with a "new way of governing" and bringing some more honesty and transparency. But then noted how much licence he could take with truth before it caught up with him.

    The biggest danger in a Trudeau figurehead is when the person behind that visage actually believes that regardless of actions, whats stated, that they are on the right side of justice, integrity, wisdom, regardless of what they do. A person convinced of that can become anything, no matter how dangerous. When you assume you are great, there are no standards. That is corruption by conceit. It strangely oozes from Trudeau.
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    ^ The whole press conference was tough. If you are proposing legislating about anything, especially climate change or banning plastics you have to be very sure that you have specific examples of things you did to help. The water bottle explanation was bad. Was he talking about water at home, water in bottles while working out. Either way, it just sounded like he was making things up.

    First off, having plastic water coolers at home is not good as most homes have water piped in from municipal water plants. If you are concerned about plastics, and the environment you would not buy plastic water bottles ( the large ones) from the store - and then use plastic or paper cups to drink from it at home. Why would you not just use ceramic cups at the very least. Let alone just use ceramic cups to drink tap water.

    Second. When working out. It is ok ( I am somewhat assuming ) to buy a reusable/ refillable plastic bottle, or even the new metal ones. Fill it up each time you work out. Can you imagine running with a paper bottle. How would that even work ?

    He may truly believe he's doing the right thing for Canada, but he is just not a good leader.

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    What. A. Joke.

    ...skip to 1:31 if you can hardly stand the stammering...it’s where he stumbles trying to say what his family does to reduce plastics.

    https://youtu.be/Y7orwIHuabY
    No big deal. I don’t expect politicians to have wonderful well spun sound bites all crafted up for every possible question.

    Similarly I don’t freak out or go hypercritical if a politician trips or stumbles getting on or off an airplane or getting into a vehicle.
    If your are the PM announcing what we will do with plastic, you would think he knows what he does at home. He should of stopped digging, it was as if he was lying.* cough*
    Producing a video on this is nitpicking by moronic political enemies.

    Would you think it reasonable if I tried to undermine you or GranaryMan at every turn by pointing out every grammatical and spelling error in your posts? I overlook them knowing that they are not a reflection of your intelligence. I focus on your message and not the awkwardness you’re displaying.
    This is a tiny forum, JT is the PM of a country. It's often hard to believe, but it's true, he should of been prepared, and he wasn't. Maybe the rumor he has water delivered, is true and he's a liar. Boxes of water? Come on..
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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    ^ The whole press conference was tough. If you are proposing legislating about anything, especially climate change or banning plastics you have to be very sure that you have specific examples of things you did to help. The water bottle explanation was bad. Was he talking about water at home, water in bottles while working out. Either way, it just sounded like he was making things up.

    First off, having plastic water coolers at home is not good as most homes have water piped in from municipal water plants. If you are concerned about plastics, and the environment you would not buy plastic water bottles ( the large ones) from the store - and then use plastic or paper cups to drink from it at home. Why would you not just use ceramic cups at the very least. Let alone just use ceramic cups to drink tap water.

    Second. When working out. It is ok ( I am somewhat assuming ) to buy a reusable/ refillable plastic bottle, or even the new metal ones. Fill it up each time you work out. Can you imagine running with a paper bottle. How would that even work ?

    He may truly believe he's doing the right thing for Canada, but he is just not a good leader.
    but he has such good hair...

    it's not just that he's not a good leader, it's that he believes he is a good one and that the country is lucky to have him as leader.

    i'm not sure it's the "ems and ahs" as much as statements like "i have determined..." and "i have decided..." that are the more telling.

    it's not only - like the rest of us - that he doesn't know what he doesn't know, he doesn't seem to care about what he doesn't know, being convinced - like trump - that he knows better than anyone else what's best for everyone else.
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    ^Agreed. The leader of the country is held to a higher standard. His Ahhs, and umms are terrible, almost as bad as Stéphane Dion. Stephen Harper was much more capable as PM than JT.
    I would rather have a leader who thinks about what he says, pauses, considers, says Ahhs, and umms before making intelligent responses.

    JT is a much better leader than other loudmouth politicians who spew a constant barrage of mindless talking points, lies, misinformation, deflections and doublespeak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    ^ The whole press conference was tough. If you are proposing legislating about anything, especially climate change or banning plastics you have to be very sure that you have specific examples of things you did to help. The water bottle explanation was bad. Was he talking about water at home, water in bottles while working out. Either way, it just sounded like he was making things up.

    First off, having plastic water coolers at home is not good as most homes have water piped in from municipal water plants. If you are concerned about plastics, and the environment you would not buy plastic water bottles ( the large ones) from the store - and then use plastic or paper cups to drink from it at home. Why would you not just use ceramic cups at the very least. Let alone just use ceramic cups to drink tap water.

    Second. When working out. It is ok ( I am somewhat assuming ) to buy a reusable/ refillable plastic bottle, or even the new metal ones. Fill it up each time you work out. Can you imagine running with a paper bottle. How would that even work ?

    He may truly believe he's doing the right thing for Canada, but he is just not a good leader.
    but he has such good hair...

    it's not just that he's not a good leader, it's that he believes he is a good one and that the country is lucky to have him as leader.

    i'm not sure it's the "ems and ahs" as much as statements like "i have determined..." and "i have decided..." that are the more telling.

    it's not only - like the rest of us - that he doesn't know what he doesn't know, he doesn't seem to care about what he doesn't know, being convinced - like trump - that he knows better than anyone else what's best for everyone else.
    Its the old principled top down thinking where they think: We’ll, it works in theory (or ideology) so let’s JUST put it onto practice.


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    ^Agreed. The leader of the country is held to a higher standard. His Ahhs, and umms are terrible, almost as bad as Stéphane Dion. Stephen Harper was much more capable as PM than JT.
    I would rather have a leader who thinks about what he says, pauses, considers, says Ahhs, and umms before making intelligent responses.

    JT is a much better leader than other loudmouth politicians who spew a constant barrage of mindless talking points, lies, misinformation, deflections and doublespeak.
    I simply rate brains above charisma.

    And I mean actual brains not lawyer-speak. The ability to use words as weapons to win any argument doesn’t make a competent leader, only a winning leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    ^Agreed. The leader of the country is held to a higher standard. His Ahas, and umms are terrible, almost as bad as Stéphane Dion. Stephen Harper was much more capable as PM than JT.
    I would rather have a leader who thinks about what he says, pauses, considers, says Ahhs, and umms before making intelligent responses.

    JT is a much better leader than other loudmouth politicians who spew a constant barrage of mindless talking points, lies, misinformation, deflections and doublespeak.
    ???

    the problem is that what we have is a leader who tries to think about what to say, pauses, considers, says ahhs, and umms and then still makes responses that aren't intelligent and doesn't seem to either know or care.

    as for "better than other loudmouth politicians who spew a constant barrage of mindless talking points, lies, misinformation, deflections and doublespeak?" that's a pretty low bar isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post

    Looks like Kloset Kase Kenney (thanks for pointing out that nicknames are fun kcantor!) is blaming other for problems he had a hand in creating.
    That's funny since you are only one "K" away from being the "KKK" yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    ^Agreed. The leader of the country is held to a higher standard. His Ahhs, and umms are terrible, almost as bad as Stéphane Dion. Stephen Harper was much more capable as PM than JT.
    I would rather have a leader who thinks about what he says, pauses, considers, says Ahhs, and umms before making intelligent responses.

    JT is a much better leader than other loudmouth politicians who spew a constant barrage of mindless talking points, lies, misinformation, deflections and doublespeak.
    How much does it matter that JT thinks about what he says when his thought process is flawed?

    You set the bar low for what you expect in Intelligence from a Prime Minister.
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    But then again, you are couching that to stutter or pause is a sign of low intelligence or that he is lying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    But then again, you are couching that to stutter or pause is a sign of low intelligence or that he is lying.

    I said its harder to speak well, and uninterrupted, and with smooth oration while lying. It is my belief that JT is lying often, and has learned that. Its no amazing claim, and unfortunately its the found domain of many politicians. The trick to some being lying well which JT doesn't even pull off.

    Never once mentioned low intelligence.

    I inferred that a Prime Minister should be more intelligent. A very different take.


    I do think JT concludes, and has a habit of doing that, in things he has limited understanding of. Kcantor mentioned some pretty interesting vernacular. How often JT prefaces with "I have determined". This speaks to JT's own narrative of thinking that he comprehends complex issues better than he does. He's great in his own head. I wish he was less like that.
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    ^I think the best politicians aren't necessarily highly intelligent (able to do complex math in their heads or similar), they are wise (understand the implications of a decision before making it). This was an issue where Trudeau can't relate to the average Canadian (he has never had money worries, or had to concern himself with day to day necessities that his servants take care of), so he would have been wise to have some sort of canned response prepared (or better yet, wiser still not to have introduced this idea in the first place).

    The box thing is trending now:

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    Looks like Kloset Kase Kenney (thanks for pointing out that nicknames are fun kcantor!) is blaming other for problems he had a hand in creating.
    That's funny since you are only one "K" away from being the "KKK" yourself.
    Except I don't have the support of neo-Nazi groups like the Sons of Odin.

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    Best thing I’ve seen all day!

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    So, what is more important to Truedau - saving the world/environment, or making sure prisoners don't get infectious diseases?

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5373931/o...n-site-prison/

    While the pilot program is being praised by medical and drug policy experts as a positive measure to curb rising overdoses behind bars, correctional officers are wary of being forced to acknowledge — and even accept — that illicit drugs are being consumed on their watch.


    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...e-use-plastics

    Syringes, IV tubing, saline bags, plastic-wrapped drugs, catheters — hospitals couldn’t function without plastics.


    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ully-dumb-idea

    The ocean plastic isn’t coming from Canada. In fact, more than half of it is coming from just five countries: China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam. The reason? They don’t have proper dumps.


    I wonder how this is all going to play out with the Bubble Tea connoisseurs in important demographic markets in BC...
    bubble tea places are employing alternative materials for straws.. like the rest of the industry and straw users.
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    Well, there's milk, juice in cartons. Even wine in boxes. Why not water?
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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Well, there's milk, juice in cartons. Even wine in boxes. Why not water?
    It's been done and well observed in the market for well over a decade for water as an alternative to plastic bottles.
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    Best thing I’ve seen all day!
    So Trudeau just invented the water box!

    Next thing will be someone trying to take ice cream out of plastic tubs and into cardboard boxes!

    Or taking hand soap out of plastic dispensers and into something weird and crazy like a solid bar!
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    Well, there's milk, juice in cartons. Even wine in boxes. Why not water?
    Milk even comes in bags!




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    Now that Danielle Smith seems to have completed her transmogrification into Alex Jones she's busy turning the Calgary Herald into Infowars.

    https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...ing-the-planet

    Alberta’s energy industry has solved carbon dioxide. That’s what you need to know as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau drives the final stake into the heart of our province’s innovative oil and gas sector with his obnoxious bills C-48 and C-69.

    Alberta’s energy industry is on the cusp of saving the planet. I believe this after sitting through three days and nearly 50 presentations from CEOs, scientists, financiers and other energy experts at the Global Petroleum Show this week. It was like being in a parallel universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
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    I wish!! God he's such a phoney..
    i don't agree that he's a phoney - a phoney is an imposter or a sham or a pretender or a fraud.

    a phoney knows he is an imposter or a sham or a pretender or a fraud. our boy wonder prime minister honestly thinks he knows better than anyone else and that he deserves to be leader and that he is a good one.

    he is not a phoney, he is a fool. and he is our prime minister not because he is qualified or because he is a phoney, he is our prime minister because he met the criteria and the desire of others to regain and maintain power and control and because he is supported by others who can't recognize when they as well as their emperor have no clothes.
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    Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Well, there's milk, juice in cartons. Even wine in boxes. Why not water?
    The wine in boxes is in plastic lining
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    I wish!! God he's such a phoney..
    Coming from you, that is rich. You believe every word from the snake oil salesman south of the border and defend him endlessly.

    You and your cohorts are a complete clown car of hypocrites.

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    Coming from a resident of Montreal who pretends he’s an Edmontonian. Phoneyism in spades. I voted for Justin so I can’t say too much about the guy. I just know he’s a born and bred politician and is catering to some of his generations thoughts and especially the next generation. You know the type. The people that leave the largest of footprints but blame the world and someone else for it.

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    Don’t we have to cut down trees, producers of oxygen, to make cardboard and paper products?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Coming from a resident of Montreal who pretends he’s an Edmontonian. Phoneyism in spades. I voted for Justin so I can’t say too much about the guy. I just know he’s a born and bred politician and is catering to some of his generations thoughts and especially the next generation. You know the type. The people that leave the largest of footprints but blame the world and someone else for it.
    As if where I live matters. Is that the only thing you got? Wow! You are such a stable genius...

    So, YOU voted for Justin! You are a closet lefty all along. That means that whatever he does, is ALL YOUR FAULT!

    You must feel like **** now.
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    I wish!! God he's such a phoney..
    i don't agree that he's a phoney - a phoney is an imposter or a sham or a pretender or a fraud.

    a phoney knows he is an imposter or a sham or a pretender or a fraud. our boy wonder prime minister honestly thinks he knows better than anyone else and that he deserves to be leader and that he is a good one.

    he is not a phoney, he is a fool. and he is our prime minister not because he is qualified or because he is a phoney, he is our prime minister because he met the criteria and the desire of others to regain and maintain power and control and because he is supported by others who can't recognize when they as well as their emperor have no clothes.
    I mostly agree. Moreover he was chosen among many likely equally qualified candidates that lacked the family name. (I’m not what that says about the Liberal membership but my guess is that it’s not highlighting a pro equality and meritocratic attitude.)

    However I don’t see Trudeau as being significantly different than many past leaders. Though currently inexperienced yes. His father accomplished some significant things but was disastrous on many issues including fiscal responsibility and skills. And initially indigenous rights, etc. We could go through the list and find endless boneheaded and incompetent actions by most PMs.

    Joe Clark is an interesting example of a potentially skilled politician that still received the boot for some potentially sound but politically unpopular positions.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Clark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    Coming from a resident of Montreal who pretends he’s an Edmontonian. Phoneyism in spades. I voted for Justin so I can’t say too much about the guy. I just know he’s a born and bred politician and is catering to some of his generations thoughts and especially the next generation. You know the type. The people that leave the largest of footprints but blame the world and someone else for it.
    As if where I live matters. Is that the only thing you got? Wow! You are such a stable genius...

    So, YOU voted for Justin! You are a closet lefty all along. That means that whatever he does, is ALL YOUR FAULT!

    You must feel like **** now.
    It was a weak and nostalgic moment. First time I ever voted liberal and likely the last. I was likely the only one at my polling station that voted for him so my vote was insignificant and had nothing to do with him gaining power. If you must resort to name calling stable genius sounds better than fricking dikhead I guess.
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    If you prefer the moniker, fricking dikhead over stable genius, I can revert to the original if you wish...
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    The main reason I voted liberal is because I could not vote for Stephen Harper anymore. Raising old age pension to 67 and eventually to 70 was robbery of seniors at its worst. Challenging our basic rights in the courts and other things I didn’t agree with. He had to go.

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    Agreed

    Harper had lost his way and was trying the old "I am King and these are my decrees" approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If you prefer the moniker, fricking dikhead over stable genius, I can revert to the original if you wish...
    One thing I must say. I’m very happy you live in Quebec. I would hate to have to meet up with you on the street or in my favourite restaurant or anywhere for that matter. I do know for sure I will not be going to your neighbourhood in Quebec any time soon. You, noodle, kkozoriz, and medwards can really get under people’s skin and have driven a lot of people out of this forum. There’s a few of us left.
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    That Ignore feature is preety handy! Really, you won't miss anything.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Where I live has no bearing on the issues. In fact, having been born and spent much of my life in Edmonton, then also having lived in more places including the US, Toronto and Quebec and traveled to many countries, gives me more insight and understanding to the wider world and the issues at hand.

    It does not matter if Medwards would live in PEI, noodle in Berlin and kkozoriz was living in Barbados. You just have trouble with people like us who want to know the truth and who shed light on misinformation, propaganda, lies, political spin and hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    That Ignore feature is preety handy! Really, you won't miss anything.
    The trouble is I go in and read without being signed in, then you still see everything. Bad habit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Where I live has no bearing on the issues. In fact, having been born and spent much of my life in Edmonton, then also having lived in more places including the US, Toronto and Quebec and traveled to many countries, gives me more insight and understanding to the wider world and the issues at hand.

    It does not matter if Medwards would live in PEI, noodle in Berlin and kkozoriz was living in Barbados. You just have trouble with people like us who want to know the truth and who shed light on misinformation, propaganda, lies, political spin and hypocrisy.
    Hmm. I am the truth and the light. Where have I heard that before.

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    Me and Jesus.

    People get us confused a lot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Me and Jesus.

    People get us confused a lot
    Lol.

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    Likely some people that would like to nail you onto a tree somewhere, so you do have that in common.

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    Wow! This thread has morphed from Justin to Jesus. Oh wait . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Likely some people that would like to nail you onto a tree somewhere, so you do have that in common.
    Zing!
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    Tomorrow the Liberals will almost certainly approve TMX. The interesting thing is that Trudeau has managed to paint himself into a corner with very little to gain politically though this move.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...sion-1.5176066

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    Tomorrow the Liberals will almost certainly approve TMX. The interesting thing is that Trudeau has managed to paint himself into a corner with very little to gain politically though this move.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...sion-1.5176066
    the article - and your assumption - assume that the boy wonder and his cabinet will act rationally. while i am hopeful you will be right, i am not as optimistic as some.

    furthermore, once you accept that he has very little to gain regardless of the decision, it doesn't take much to imagine him convincing his cabinet to make what would be an irrational decision for anyone else simply because deep down he is convinced he is right - any evidence otherwise notwithstanding - and will want to make the same decision he did with c-48 which was actually announced with him saying "i have decided".

    it doesn't take much to imagine him looking at october's likely outcome and deciding if he's going to be shot down in flames, he might as well try and take what he perceives as the moral high ground as he is forced to exit stage left. the fact he will simply be following in the same footsteps as the first prime minister trudeau in trying to shut down canada's oil and gas sector shows in his mind will only show a long-standing commitment to the cause, not that the cause was wrong.

    it's too bad someone can't calculate what the positive impact of selling canadian oil and gas to the world for the last 40 years would have been in terms of lowering the carbon footprints and pollution that resulted from burning coal etc. instead as we transition to renewables for non-renewables. imagine where we might be if the world and not just north america and europe had made the same strides as the automobile industry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Likely some people that would like to nail you onto a tree somewhere, so you do have that in common.
    Zing!

    I see you and your cohorts 2000 years later are still proponents of false testimony, collusion, unfair trials, torture and capital punishment over free speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    That Ignore feature is preety handy! Really, you won't miss anything.
    The Ignore Feature is for those closed minded people who cannot handle facts and cannot articulate a reasoned debate.
    “reasoned debate”

    Here?

    hahahaha!

    Case in point:

    “I see you and your cohorts 2000 years later are still proponents of false testimony, collusion, unfair trials, torture and capital punishment over free speech.”
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    Loudmouths always get pissy when someone doesn't want to hear their noise.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones
    Likely some people that would like to nail you onto a tree somewhere, so you do have that in common
    Debate:

    Foreign word to some
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    As if you did not post this

    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones
    Likely some people that would like to nail you onto a tree somewhere, so you do have that in common
    Debate:

    Foreign word to some
    As a retort to you claiming people confuse you with Jesus Christ. He was nailed to a large wooden cross, in case you didn’t know that, or missed the connection. The “amen” would definitely be in your understanding as well. Let’s take it as end of conversation in meaning.
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    No, it was a joke when I responded to your statement " I am the truth and the light. Where have I heard that before." and you know it

    The response was directed at me as a violent act "some people that would like to nail you onto a tree somewhere," not a debate point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    No, it was a joke and you know it.

    The response was directed at me as a violent act "some people that would like to nail you onto a tree somewhere," not a debate point.
    of course your joke was responding to his "Hmm. I am the truth and the light. Where have I heard that before?" joke and refusing to take it as a joke.

    all joking aside, as the proverb says, "let he who is without humour cast the first joke" or something to that effect.

    in the meantime, you're both two sides of the same magic coin but without the charm of a good magician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post

    it's too bad someone can't calculate what the positive impact of selling canadian oil and gas to the world for the last 40 years would have been in terms of lowering the carbon footprints and pollution that resulted from burning coal etc. instead as we transition to renewables for non-renewables. imagine where we might be if the world and not just north america and europe had made the same strides as the automobile industry?
    Seeing as Alberta is still burning coal and Kloset Kase Kenney has announced he'll kill the coal phase out, why do you think Alberta oil would have any effect on coal burning world wide? Coal is used for the main reasons of it being cheap and plentiful. As a matter of fact...



    Coal-fired home heat: some say you can’t beat it

    His parents had a coal furnace in the basement of their rural home 20 kilometres west of Calmar, not far from where Schmidt and his wife Carol live today.

    In 2000, when Schmidt built a comfortable modern bungalow, he installed an outdoor coal furnace that provides hot-water heat for the 1,680 square-foot house and a 1,500 sq. ft. workshop across the farmyard.

    The furnace burns 18 tonnes of coal a year at a cost of less than $900 — less money than Schmidt had been spending on propane to heat a mobile home.

    “I can’t even imagine how much I’ve saved over the years,” Schmidt says.

    “It’s not as easy as natural gas or propane, but you know what? For what you pay, it’s well worth it.”

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    ^

    proving rather than disproving my point...

    if we had treated coal the way we treated oil and gas, oil and gas would have been the lower cost option. i saw the same in scotland when natural gas pricing saw some people converting back to coal and others reverting to burning peat. just as we see rainforests being clear cut for local heating and cooking needs.

    real world examples all of what properly constructed carbon taxes and credits should deter rather than support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    That Ignore feature is preety handy! Really, you won't miss anything.
    The Ignore Feature is for those closed minded people who cannot handle facts and cannot articulate a reasoned debate.
    Good use then in your case. Reasoned debate involves the possibility, even remote, that a person will alter their view in response to new, and others information.
    Instead what you do anytime is engage in quasi debate opposition, baiting, strawman, and escalating discussions. The other poster is correct that many people have left the board due to that nature of exchange.

    Reason might imply being reasonable.

    Also you are stating where you live has no bearing on your posting and opinion when in fact you live In Montreal where the liberals are much more likely to receive support. Of course where one lives in Canada is not completely irrelevant in a political discussion. For instance this thread. Especially in a country as fragmented as this one. You live in a province that seemingly Trolls Alberta in confederation. Myself I could never live there because of the radically different political views held there, and that are always held there. I guess you had no particular difficulty moving to a Liberal hotbed and a province that is a perennial transfer payment beneficiary while ironically thumbing its nose at Alberta industry and wealth that helps contribute to such transfer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Likely some people that would like to nail you onto a tree somewhere, so you do have that in common.
    As much as PRT is purposely aggravating on this board for the sake of it, this nature of post crosses a line, excuse pun.
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    Thanks Replacement for your comments.

    Having lived in Quebec for 7 years, I have found no animosity against Alberta and find many people who have lived in Alberta at some point in their lives. For Albertans, blaming all their woes on Ottawa and Quebec makes for good barroom fodder.

    For those who do not know it, the current government in power in Quebec is the right wing conservative Coalition Avenir Québec.

    As far as moving to a liberal hotbed, you might notice the many election results in Alberta.

    As far as Calgary and Stettler are concerned, Edmonton itself is a liberal and NDP hotbed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    Tomorrow the Liberals will almost certainly approve TMX. The interesting thing is that Trudeau has managed to paint himself into a corner with very little to gain politically though this move.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...sion-1.5176066
    I'm guessing the decision will be yes in spite of not because of Jason Kenney.

    The only provinces where the Trans Mountain approval will move actual votes is in BC and Alberta.

    In BC, the Green surge seems to be eating mostly into federal NDP support maybe allowing the Liberals to at least retain most of the seats because of a divided anti-pipeline vote. Plus the Conservative promise to scrap the federal carbon tax will not resonate as well in BC which is one of two provinces (Quebec is the other) where there is all party support for provincial carbon pricing.

    In Alberta, a person I know who is tight with the federal Liberals recently told me that should Trans Mountain be approved with shovels in the ground this summer, they have a reasonable shot at retaining Kent Hehr's Calgary Centre seat as well as their two Edmonton incumbents. Plus they have hopes for a pick up in Strathcona where the federal Liberals positioning on pipelines and energy issues generally is much closer to Rachel Notley's provincial NDP than the federal NDP's anti-pipeline anti-oil positioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Thanks Replacement for your comments.

    Having lived in Quebec for 7 years, I have found no animosity against Alberta and find many people who have lived in Alberta at some point in their lives. For Albertans, blaming all their woes on Ottawa and Quebec makes for good barroom fodder.

    For those who do not know it, the current government in power in Quebec is the right wing conservative Coalition Avenir Québec.

    As far as moving to a liberal hotbed, you might notice the many election results in Alberta.

    As far as Calgary and Stettler are concerned, Edmonton itself is a liberal and NDP hotbed.
    I’m not sure I believe Quebec’s actions are based on atheism. I suspect covert-Christianity.

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    “There exists a fundamental difference between secularism and state-atheism.

    Secularism is the indifference to, or rejection or exclusion of, religion and religious considerations. Effectively, secularism refers to the separation of church and state.

    Secularism in modern western democratic societies goes hand-in-hand with religious freedom. The government will have no business in dictating the religious beliefs of peoples, while the people are free to wear or adorn whatever religious items they wish to.

    That’s what secularism is. But what secularism isn’t, is State-Atheism.

    State-Atheism is the incorporation of positive atheism or non-theism into political regimes. It effectively allows the state to force its belief of non-religiosity on you.

    How this is different from conventional secularism, ...”

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    Canada's House of Commons has declared a national climate emergency

    The motion describes climate change as a "real and urgent crisis, driven by human activity," notes how it is impacting Canadians, and states the need to pursue clean growth methods to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cana...ency-1.4470804

    A real and urgent crisis driven by human activity... so let's build a pipeline!

    The Liberals will seemingly never learn that credibility comes from actions and behaviour, not from words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Thanks Replacement for your comments.

    Having lived in Quebec for 7 years, I have found no animosity against Alberta and find many people who have lived in Alberta at some point in their lives. For Albertans, blaming all their woes on Ottawa and Quebec makes for good barroom fodder.

    For those who do not know it, the current government in power in Quebec is the right wing conservative Coalition Avenir Québec.

    As far as moving to a liberal hotbed, you might notice the many election results in Alberta.

    As far as Calgary and Stettler are concerned, Edmonton itself is a liberal and NDP hotbed.


    Most liberal support here is borne out of prior politics. Not to actual Liberal sentiments, which tends low here.

    For instance guys like Decore, Sohi who started out in Civic politics.

    NDP, yes, a long tradition here in Alberta, particularly Edmonton, and much more support than for the Liberal party. I don't see what you're saying about Edmonton being any liberal bastion.

    It really doesn't matter who is elected in Quebec, the province and its leaders have often been anti Alberta and as recently as proclamations of dirty Oil.

    In anycase Decore is the only Liberal I have ever voted for in my life but despite the affiliation, certainly not because of it.

    Most people in Alberta that have lived here any length of time completely despise the Liberal brand.
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