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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Notley and Trudeau think we should have a conversation about changing the Eskimos name.

    Interviewer: Do you think the Edmonton Eskimos should change their name.
    Fan:. No
    Interviewer: Thank you, that's what 99.99% of others think.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...ticle37050484/
    This political correctness has gotten far too out of hand. It isn't about right or wrong, it's all a struggle for power (over others). It's now at a point where some people feel the need to be offended ON BEHALF of others. That in itself is wrong on so many levels. If there was an outcry from said group or community, absolutely, let's talk about solutions. If there is only a small handful of that group with concerns, that's not enough to warrant wholesale changes. The 1% shouldn't dictate the other 99%. I have yet to meet an indigenous person who had any problems with the Eskimos moniker. It is viewed as a nod to their heritage and culture. Alaskan indigenous peoples (still) prefer the name, and are regularly referred to as "Eskimos" (without prejudice). For example, I'm a cowboy. If someone were to say that people shouldn't refer to me as a cowboy because it's an offensive term/label, I would certainly have a problem with that. Someone speaking (or making decisions) on my behalf would p*ss me right off. Let's let the ENTIRE indigenous community speak first before spouting off this kind of garbage.
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    ^ Isn't that where the "should have a conversation" bit comes in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Think BIGGER View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Notley and Trudeau think we should have a conversation about changing the Eskimos name.

    Interviewer: Do you think the Edmonton Eskimos should change their name.
    Fan:. No
    Interviewer: Thank you, that's what 99.99% of others think.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...ticle37050484/
    This political correctness has gotten far too out of hand. It isn't about right or wrong, it's all a struggle for power (over others). It's now at a point where some people feel the need to be offended ON BEHALF of others. That in itself is wrong on so many levels. If there was an outcry from said group or community, absolutely, let's talk about solutions. If there is only a small handful of that group with concerns, that's not enough to warrant wholesale changes. The 1% shouldn't dictate the other 99%. I have yet to meet an indigenous person who had any problems with the Eskimos moniker. It is viewed as a nod to their heritage and culture. Alaskan indigenous peoples (still) prefer the name, and are regularly referred to as "Eskimos" (without prejudice). For example, I'm a cowboy. If someone were to say that people shouldn't refer to me as a cowboy because it's an offensive term/label, I would certainly have a problem with that. Someone speaking (or making decisions) on my behalf would p*ss me right off. Let's let the ENTIRE indigenous community speak first before spouting off this kind of garbage.
    apples and oranges... you can choose to be a cowboy or not and you can change your mind from day to day or week to week if you choose.

    that’s the difference between the oilers and the eskimos. one is a chosen avocation, the other is a cultural identity where there is no choice to belong or not belong - you can’t resign and you can’t join as if it’s some kind of club.

    and an anecdotal “i’be never met an objector” simply speaks to limited exposure and the choice to discount the many objectors - individual and group - who have been widely quoted in many media and do so with the moral authority to speak for themselves.

    i did not always feel this way - i have friends who proudly wore the jersey and remained involved with the team and know that the name was always honoured and used with respect. but i have grown to realize that may no longer be enough to continue the practice.

    are there larger problems in the overall relationship when we look at this? absolutely. but sometimes it’s the respect shown in solving the small ones that help start to solve the big ones as well.
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    This is an important issue and an issue that has reached national exposure. This is all part of the national reconciliation process and is not just an Edmonton thing. The Eskimo's have a huge opportunity here to move the conversation forward in the off season.

    I mentioned Commonwealth Stadium ought to have a name change as well because just the word Commonwealth in my mind evokes images of a colonial era. Sure football isn't our national sport but by changing the name of Commonwealth to Reilly field does one of 2 things: It honors (arguably) the greatest Edmonton CFL player in Edmonton's football history, and by changing the name to Reilly field reaches out to our indigenous heritage and contributes in a meaningful way to the reconciliation process at the same time.
    Our indigenous people in my city imo have been bullied and have been ignored for far too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    This is an important issue and an issue that has reached national exposure. This is all part of the national reconciliation process and is not just an Edmonton thing. The Eskimo's have a huge opportunity here to move the conversation forward in the off season.

    I mentioned Commonwealth Stadium ought to have a name change as well because just the word Commonwealth in my mind evokes images of a colonial era. Sure football isn't our national sport but by changing the name of Commonwealth to Reilly field does one of 2 things: It honors (arguably) the greatest Edmonton CFL player in Edmonton's football history, and by changing the name to Reilly field reaches out to our indigenous heritage and contributes in a meaningful way to the reconciliation process at the same time.
    Our indigenous people in my city imo have been bullied and have been ignored for far too long.
    except it wasn't named to commemorate a colonial past, it was named after the commonwealth games for which it was built. at that time the commonwealth wasn't representing a series of colonies as much as it was and still strives to be an assembly of equal nations - at least in principal - across the world with a shared history and common aspirations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    This is an important issue and an issue that has reached national exposure. This is all part of the national reconciliation process and is not just an Edmonton thing. The Eskimo's have a huge opportunity here to move the conversation forward in the off season.

    I mentioned Commonwealth Stadium ought to have a name change as well because just the word Commonwealth in my mind evokes images of a colonial era. Sure football isn't our national sport but by changing the name of Commonwealth to Reilly field does one of 2 things: It honors (arguably) the greatest Edmonton CFL player in Edmonton's football history, and by changing the name to Reilly field reaches out to our indigenous heritage and contributes in a meaningful way to the reconciliation process at the same time.
    Our indigenous people in my city imo have been bullied and have been ignored for far too long.
    Might as well just give everyone a number instead of a name, and number buildings instead of giving them names so we can stop this madness of people's feelings from being hurt from every little word. Person 43325 is visiting building 17A4 to watch City 859's sports team the 7789's play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    This is an important issue and an issue that has reached national exposure. This is all part of the national reconciliation process and is not just an Edmonton thing. The Eskimo's have a huge opportunity here to move the conversation forward in the off season.

    I mentioned Commonwealth Stadium ought to have a name change as well because just the word Commonwealth in my mind evokes images of a colonial era. Sure football isn't our national sport but by changing the name of Commonwealth to Reilly field does one of 2 things: It honors (arguably) the greatest Edmonton CFL player in Edmonton's football history, and by changing the name to Reilly field reaches out to our indigenous heritage and contributes in a meaningful way to the reconciliation process at the same time.
    Our indigenous people in my city imo have been bullied and have been ignored for far too long.
    Yeah... lets just pretend our awful white man history never occurred. That will solve the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lobbdogg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    This is an important issue and an issue that has reached national exposure. This is all part of the national reconciliation process and is not just an Edmonton thing. The Eskimo's have a huge opportunity here to move the conversation forward in the off season.

    I mentioned Commonwealth Stadium ought to have a name change as well because just the word Commonwealth in my mind evokes images of a colonial era. Sure football isn't our national sport but by changing the name of Commonwealth to Reilly field does one of 2 things: It honors (arguably) the greatest Edmonton CFL player in Edmonton's football history, and by changing the name to Reilly field reaches out to our indigenous heritage and contributes in a meaningful way to the reconciliation process at the same time.
    Our indigenous people in my city imo have been bullied and have been ignored for far too long.
    Might as well just give everyone a number instead of a name, and number buildings instead of giving them names so we can stop this madness of people's feelings from being hurt from every little word. Person 43325 is visiting building 17A4 to watch City 859's sports team the 7789's play.
    That's a bit extreme and 1984 has come and gone, unless you buy into Alex Jones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    This is an important issue and an issue that has reached national exposure. This is all part of the national reconciliation process and is not just an Edmonton thing. The Eskimo's have a huge opportunity here to move the conversation forward in the off season.

    I mentioned Commonwealth Stadium ought to have a name change as well because just the word Commonwealth in my mind evokes images of a colonial era. Sure football isn't our national sport but by changing the name of Commonwealth to Reilly field does one of 2 things: It honors (arguably) the greatest Edmonton CFL player in Edmonton's football history, and by changing the name to Reilly field reaches out to our indigenous heritage and contributes in a meaningful way to the reconciliation process at the same time.
    Our indigenous people in my city imo have been bullied and have been ignored for far too long.
    Yeah... lets just pretend our awful white man history never occurred. That will solve the issue.
    Rewriting history is a slippery slope and almost impossible to accomplish in 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    This is an important issue and an issue that has reached national exposure. This is all part of the national reconciliation process and is not just an Edmonton thing. The Eskimo's have a huge opportunity here to move the conversation forward in the off season.

    I mentioned Commonwealth Stadium ought to have a name change as well because just the word Commonwealth in my mind evokes images of a colonial era. Sure football isn't our national sport but by changing the name of Commonwealth to Reilly field does one of 2 things: It honors (arguably) the greatest Edmonton CFL player in Edmonton's football history, and by changing the name to Reilly field reaches out to our indigenous heritage and contributes in a meaningful way to the reconciliation process at the same time.
    Our indigenous people in my city imo have been bullied and have been ignored for far too long.
    except it wasn't named to commemorate a colonial past, it was named after the commonwealth games for which it was built. at that time the commonwealth wasn't representing a series of colonies as much as it was and still strives to be an assembly of equal nations - at least in principal - across the world with a shared history and common aspirations.
    As I said above in my mind the word Commonwealth evokes images of a colonial era. In 1978 I was doing telemarketing in Calgary selling over the phone Commonwealth games cups, trinkets, etc to the people of Calgary 2 years before the Commonwealth games began. How's that for a hard sell? Yet, I get what your trying to communicate and all. Thanks.
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    Wow. Quite the Shania half time show. Got the people warmed right up. Had to crank it up and enjoy. I feel like a woman !! Lol

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    Nice fumble Stamps.

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    Nice to see Ricky Ray get it.

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    That last Calgary play call is going to make for a lot of chatter...
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    Shoulda coulda woulda kicked a field goal.
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    Pleased for RR! I didn't care who won, I dislike both teams..Calgary a little more

    That last Calgary play call is going to make for a lot of chatter...
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    Loved Shania

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    Looks like the old white mare choked again in the homestretch.

    Is there a bigger chock club in all of pro sports than the Stamps?

    lol

    There goes the Stamps GC parade plans..
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    Like I said upthread, I lost all interest in the GC after the Esks went out. Didn't watch the game, but happy to see Cowtown crash.
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    Toronto won the Grey Cup on a handful of big plays, despite being outplayed.

    Calgary must feel the same way the Eskimos did back in 2002 (Esks outplayed the opponent, but lost the Grey Cup on a couple of big plays by the Als)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    and an anecdotal “i’be never met an objector” simply speaks to limited exposure and the choice to discount the many objectors - individual and group - who have been widely quoted in many media and do so with the moral authority to speak for themselves.

    The many ?

    Really ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Like I said upthread, I lost all interest in the GC after the Esks went out. Didn't watch the game, but happy to see Cowtown crash.
    Calgary busy throwing one another under the bus! Too funny...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Toronto won the Grey Cup on a handful of big plays, despite being outplayed.

    Calgary must feel the same way the Eskimos did back in 2002 (Esks outplayed the opponent, but lost the Grey Cup on a couple of big plays by the Als)
    I was at that game, that was a tough one to watch. Nobody disputing Argos had some luck, just funny that Stamps choked yet again. Reminds me of the saying that any Calgary dynasty is one...
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    A nine team league leads to some interesting hires.

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    Esks trade QB James Franklin to the Toronto Argonauts in exchange for National OL Mason Woods and 2018 3rd round pick
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    Glad hed got traded to an eastern conference team and not SK or BC. He's going to be a great starter, only a backup because we have Reilly
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    A sad day but you knew it would happen. I much would have preferred that the Esks work Franklin in with Reilly how the org did decades ago with Wilkinson and Moon. Giving Moon gradually more time and initially as understudy change up. Not only was that effective it pretty much sealed the Esks dynasty those years.

    I love Reilly but I can't see more than 2-3 effective years in the tank at which point we are back to zero quarterbackville.

    Seems ugly to gift Franklin to the Argos and now giving them the starting and backup QB so that the Argos can execute the handover that we should have been doing.

    3rd pick and a O lineman? jebus. How do you not parlay that at least to a first pick. This is Franklin, imo the best young QB in the league.


    Could you imagine if a Ray-Franklin tandem now becomes a vaunted powerhouse and they claim a Grey Cup on Esks turf next season?

    This stinks.
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    I kept hearing that Ricky Ray was considering retirement after the recent Grey Cup win, so I was not surprised by this trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    A sad day but you knew it would happen. I much would have preferred that the Esks work Franklin in with Reilly how the org did decades ago with Wilkinson and Moon. Giving Moon gradually more time and initially as understudy change up. Not only was that effective it pretty much sealed the Esks dynasty those years.

    I love Reilly but I can't see more than 2-3 effective years in the tank at which point we are back to zero quarterbackville.

    Seems ugly to gift Franklin to the Argos and now giving them the starting and backup QB so that the Argos can execute the handover that we should have been doing.

    3rd pick and a O lineman? jebus. How do you not parlay that at least to a first pick. This is Franklin, imo the best young QB in the league.


    Could you imagine if a Ray-Franklin tandem now becomes a vaunted powerhouse and they claim a Grey Cup on Esks turf next season?

    This stinks.

    Moon and Wilkie were playing in an era that didn't have free agency. It was a matter of getting something for Franklin, paying him a starter's salary and letting him know that he will be the starter or letting him go for nothing during free agency.

    The Eskimos traded away their third round pick (as I heard it).

    I can't imagine Ray and Franklin being a tandem unless some salary expectations are altered.

    It stinks but was probably inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I kept hearing that Ricky Ray was considering retirement after the recent Grey Cup win, so I was not surprised by this trade.
    I've heard comments he's considering coming back. it would be a somewhat reduced capacity and I could really see RR being a great mentor for Franklin. Would be a nice way to go out albeit GC win is fantastic to. The coaching staff and team really love Ray and so I think they will try to encourage him back. That a player is considering it often means they will be back in some capacity. Not ruling out Ray as coach/head coach some day or in management. If he has interest.
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    I think if the O-lineman we got for him is Canadian, and good enough to be a starter, then it was a good trade. The Esks used up 2 international spots by starting 2 American O-lineman every game last season, which made it difficult to fill skill positions on defense with American players after getting all those injuries on defense.

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    CFL executive Rick LeLacheur named B.C. Lions' 30th president

    LeLacheur was the president and CEO of the Edmonton Eskimos from 2002 to 2011. He will start his new job in January.

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    Any other NFL fans think an expansion to league should take place? I think it's time we revisit this idea. Victoria, BC, Saskatoon, Quebec city and Halifax should have teams in the league now as their population can sustain a 25-30k fan catchment once a week. The league is stale right now? and they need to revitalize it. Any thoughts?

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    The cfl has been to Atlantic Canada within the last few years. I don't think the league has any appetite for expanding anywhere. I think the failure of the US expansion years still leaves a bad taste in the mouth of the cfl.
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    That was stupid of them when they did that. Halifax wanted a team and Victoria had 300-350k and they should have been part of it. Going into the US was not a bad thing. The mistake they made, imo, was that they wen too south into the NFL's back door. What should have been done was target cities close to our border such as Portland, and go for places where there were no profession franchise of any sort regardless of what discipline it was.

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    Ex-Eskimos receiver Brandon Zylstra joins Minnesota Vikings team he grew up watching

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    Good luck Brandon.
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    Great, great player. Sure felt like I was watching someone special. Sure hope he comes back, somewhat selfish to wish that, but the kid has legendary resolve and with a career here could go down as an Eskimo great.

    Wow this is tough. we've now lost Franklin and Zylstra. Franklin imo was our QBing future.
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    There has been numerous times an Eskimo player that went to the NFL but didn't make it and return back to Edmonton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Great, great player. Sure felt like I was watching someone special. Sure hope he comes back, somewhat selfish to wish that, but the kid has legendary resolve and with a career here could go down as an Eskimo great.

    Wow this is tough. we've now lost Franklin and Zylstra. Franklin imo was our QBing future.
    Franklin leaving stings...what's with the Argo's stealing our QB's....btw - Zylstra doens't have a chance in hell being a starter in the NFL - might play a few downs...but heck he'll make 10X more keeping their bench all warm then he would playing here....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    There has been numerous times an Eskimo player that went to the NFL but didn't make it and return back to Edmonton.
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    Franklin doesn't have to start to make a lot more money that he'd ever be paid up here. He'll be missed. I'd love to see him back here.

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    Again, people, Franklin wasn't gonna get much playing time here while Reilly cranks out MOP-winning seasons whereas the Argos are likely losing Ricky Ray to retirement sooner or later. So in the bigger picture it's a good deal for all involved (assuming the Esks acquisitions pan out). It's no different from when Matt Nichols went to the Bombers a couple seasons ago.

    As for Brandon Zylstra, it hurts losing him but he deserves the opportunity to play for his hometown. If he doesn't make it then chances are good that he'll be back with us.
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    Lose Zylstra - for awhile anywqay- get Derel Walker back. Suddenly the Eskies aree back being a franchise that finds and signs players that everyone else wants!Now, that bit of CFL said, Sunday's NFL offerings were, simply put, better than anyone in Holywood could possible script.First, Panthers make the Philly game look like it's gonna be a snoozer, before Big Ben roars back, Panthers respond and, but for a trio of bonehead fourth down play calls, the Eagles might have stormed back yet again and won.Then Minny / N.O. Oh man, does it get any better / crazier? Like, ever?
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    As long as we have a promising young third stringer Eskies can develop - sweet; another QB who can drop back, roll out, take off: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...lenn-1.4488257
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    Eskimos sign Kevin Glenn as a backup QB. The only CFL QB to play for every team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Eskimos sign Kevin Glenn as a backup QB. The only CFL QB to play for every team.
    he is the only player, not just the only qb, who’s contract rights have been owned by every team in the cfl. i don’t think he actually played for all of them but still an interesting accomplishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Eskimos sign Kevin Glenn as a backup QB. The only CFL QB to play for every team.
    The obvious flipside being a QB so ordinary that he has managed to be flipped around to every team in the CFL while having negligible value to any of them. The Kevin Glenn most recently remembered, and the one that the Eskimos are acquiring was the one that looked better every game holding a clipboard while Brandon Bridge, a rookie, came in to save the day almost every week.

    I don't know why, but obtaining Glenn while losing Franklin bothers me more now. We got the useless vet, we gave the Argos the future QB in this league. The only doubt I have that Franklin will be an allstar in this league is predicated on him being ultimately too good to remain in this league.
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    It wasn't a question of Franklin or Glenn. It was a question of Franklin or Reilly.

    Glenn is just some sort of weird insurance policy that you don't ever want to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    It wasn't a question of Franklin or Glenn. It was a question of Franklin or Reilly.

    Glenn is just some sort of weird insurance policy that you don't ever want to use.
    Agreed entirely. But I have an illogical belief in Murphy's law and somehow think and expect we will be seeing Glenn throwing the ball. That this would have to be the season that Reilly is out with injury again. Maybe just bad memories of the years before Reilly where we had anybody could be QB days here.
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