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    Edmonton drivers rejoice after Alberta budget promises to axe at-grade 50 Street rail crossing

    An item included in the Alberta government’s 2017 budget sparked joy and relief from many Edmonton drivers and cyclists Thursday.

    It didn’t include many details, but the province said it will eliminate the at-grade rail crossing at 50 Street in Edmonton.

    No dollar figure for the project was released.

    Edmonton’s mayor thinks the mention in the budget means the province will work with the city to access new federal dollars.
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    I think it will be great to see this bridge being built, especially when there's traffic stopped as far as the Sherwood Park Freeway when a train crosses at 20 km/hr.
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    And so what about 99st debacle,or 91 st. The same line runs past both. What amazes me is how inept in planning this city is.
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    I think trains are slower at 50 Street because they pull out of a yard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I think trains are slower at 50 Street because they pull out of a yard.
    Correct. The area in question is called the lead. It is used to pull cars out from one track and into another. Which begs the question, why this city knowing this was a going to be a huge problem,would not have constructed the underpass at that time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    And so what about 99st debacle,or 91 st. The same line runs past both. What amazes me is how inept in planning this city is.
    You forgot 75th St., too. The 50th St. crossing is the worst, though. When I used to use 50th on a daily basis, I've sat there on occasion while a train crept forward a 100 yards, stopped for a few minutes while some switching went on and then reversed a bit. Then, out of the goodness of the engineer's heart I was sure, cleared the crossing and then repeated the procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    And so what about 99st debacle,or 91 st. The same line runs past both. What amazes me is how inept in planning this city is.
    You forgot 75th St., too. The 50th St. crossing is the worst, though. When I used to use 50th on a daily basis, I've sat there on occasion while a train crept forward a 100 yards, stopped for a few minutes while some switching went on and then reversed a bit. Then, out of the goodness of the engineer's heart I was sure, cleared the crossing and then repeated the procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I think trains are slower at 50 Street because they pull out of a yard.
    Correct. The area in question is called the lead. It is used to pull cars out from one track and into another. Which begs the question, why this city knowing this was a going to be a huge problem,would not have constructed the underpass at that time?
    The yard and the 50th street railway crossing has been there since....as long as I can remember. It has to be at least 50 years or older.

    Back then the Whitemud freeway did not extend that far east. Anywhere south of the Sherwood Park freeway was scattered industries and farmland. There was definitely no residential or commercial properties along 50th street until you reached the Capilano area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    And so what about 99st debacle,or 91 st. The same line runs past both. What amazes me is how inept in planning this city is.
    Last one in pays for the crossing.

    If the road was there first, the railways pays for the crossing.
    If the railway was there first, the road authority pays.

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    I imagine part of the challenge was the Henday construction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
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    I think trains are slower at 50 Street because they pull out of a yard.
    Correct. The area in question is called the lead. It is used to pull cars out from one track and into another. Which begs the question, why this city knowing this was a going to be a huge problem,would not have constructed the underpass at that time?
    The yard and the 50th street railway crossing has been there since....as long as I can remember. It has to be at least 50 years or older.

    Back then the Whitemud freeway did not extend that far east. Anywhere south of the Sherwood Park freeway was scattered industries and farmland. There was definitely no residential or commercial properties along 50th street until you reached the Capilano area.
    Yeah, the thing is that even 50 years ago, and I'm sure the railway line was there well before that, the City should've had enough nous to see the expansion that would come - that's what planners are for. There are still enough rail crossings in this city to brand it as a 'hicksville'.
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    About the only rail crossing at the CN line in North Edmonton is 149 Street (66 Street is no longer active). CP has rail crossings at 50, 75, 86, 91 and 99 Street, along with others at Ellerslie Road, 34 and 51 Avenue. I think the city will be eliminating the rail spur west of 142 Street on the Yellowhead.
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    Old grumpy people complaining about something. Amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    Yeah, the thing is that even 50 years ago, and I'm sure the railway line was there well before that, the City should've had enough nous to see the expansion that would come - that's what planners are for. There are still enough rail crossings in this city to brand it as a 'hicksville'.
    Planning and implementing are very different things.

    Plans may have very well existed for such an over / underpass (just as they obviously left enough room in the medians / boulevards to widen 50th street in the future).

    Implementing depends on $$$. Not to say that shouldn't have happened 20-30 years ago, but this is a province where voters have tended to think of their wallets rather than the infrastructure needs of the next generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    Old grumpy people complaining about something. Amazing!
    People get older and grumpier waiting for endless trains shuttling back and forth...
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    ^^ Yup, right on.
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    I wonder if 50 Street could be upgraded to be the east leg of the outer ring road for Edmonton (I'm aware of 75 Street, but how long would land acquisition be).
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    The city should upgrade 34th street first so it can take some of the detour traffic. The 50th street traffic caused from this construction will be mind-boggling. It was horrendous last year when they had the overpass on Sherwood park freeway down to one lane each direction during the bridge deck rehab.

    75th Street isn't much better with LRT construction just beginning to ramp up...expect 3-4 years of construction there.


    Then again...I'm moving more central come this summer so I don't ever need to take 50th again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    About the only rail crossing at the CN line in North Edmonton is 149 Street (66 Street is no longer active). CP has rail crossings at 50, 75, 86, 91 and 99 Street, along with others at Ellerslie Road, 34 and 51 Avenue. I think the city will be eliminating the rail spur west of 142 Street on the Yellowhead.
    CN has a level crossing on 170 St. as well. There's a line that goes from the north end of the Multi-modal yard back to the mainline near 156 St. That one is a pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    The city should upgrade 34th street first so it can take some of the detour traffic. The 50th street traffic caused from this construction will be mind-boggling. It was horrendous last year when they had the overpass on Sherwood park freeway down to one lane each direction during the bridge deck rehab.
    I was happy the day I stopped working at a business that was on 34th street. Always such a disaster at rush hour. I was actually wondering what happened to plans to upgrade it. I know the city did a planning study on "urbanizing" it a few years ago, but doesn't seem like it's gone anywhere since.

    Though part of 34th street is on the boarder with Strathcona Country, so it wouldn't suprise me if coordinating the funding is a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I think the city will be eliminating the rail spur west of 142 Street on the Yellowhead.
    That is entirely up to the railway. Not the city.
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    Correct. And the railways have federal jurisdiction.
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    Feds announce $40 million contribution for project.
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    http://myemail.constantcontact.com/N...id=jiMrEiJ4K50

    All aboard: More funding confirmed to improve traffic at 50 Street rail crossing

    The City of Edmonton is pleased to announce that it has received a commitment from the Government of Canada for the remaining funding required to improve traffic flow along 50 Street. The Right Honourable Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada, Honourable Marc Garneau, Minister of Transport and Honourable Amarjeet Sohi, Minister of Infrastructure and Communities joined Councillor Ben Henderson and other members of Edmonton City Council to make the formal announcement in City Hall today.

    (...) Admin Edit. Removed text to confirm to article quoting guidelines.
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    Thank the good lord...what a mess that spot is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Thank the good lord...what a mess that spot is.
    Finally. This place is a mess. In terms of investment, it will actually pay off in terms of more workable hours (or time at home), less gas wasted, etc etc. Not to mention school buses actually getting kids to school on time, ambulances and fire trucks not delayed, etc.

    Mind you, getting a pipeline built would probably have saved over half the delays since it's mostly oil trains nowadays.

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    trudeau swings through alberta to announce this 40m contribution in edmonton, hop on the plane to calgary and announce a 1.4 billion dollar contribution to that city. Hmmm
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    ....but it's going to take how many years before this is built???
    Since calm logic doesn't work, I guess it is time to employ sarcasm. ...and before you call me an a-hole...remember, I am a Dick.

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    Sounds to me like four years before it's completed. Jeez

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    Exactly. Notwithstanding the public consultation, etc...minimum 4 years.

    This project should be fast tracked. Get the $$, get shovels in the ground. This is not a complex interchange. Build the flyover. Close the one and only at grade road in the way (82 Ave) and make that industrial traffic use the 71 St intersection. It is definitely faster than that industrial traffic being caught by a train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    trudeau swings through alberta to announce this 40m contribution in edmonton, hop on the plane to calgary and announce a 1.4 billion dollar contribution to that city. Hmmm
    You do realize that money was committed way back in 2015 by the Conservatives? It's just a re-announcement, not new money.

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    Ya i heard that later.

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    Edmonton will get their turn on LRT soon.
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    I wonder if the 50th Street railway bridge will be two tracks.
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    Finally, I wonder if the Sherwood Park Freeway will be expanded at 50th Street, if the SPF/50th Street interchange will be replaced.
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    Great to hear, but.... the timing of this seems poor. Not in terms of the fact this should have been done decades ago, but how is traffic going to flow when I would assume that 50th street crossing will be blocked off for a good portion of time while this is completed, and then 75th street is down to one lane traffic for LRT construction not even one kilometer up south of the rail ROW at the exact same time?

    I understand that 50th street is directly next to the big CP yard and is often victim to engines crossing the intersection to switch tracks/whatever (this just happened to me yesterday), and while minor 4-5 minute delays from a train doing that is no question inconvenient, it is far from the end of the world. The true killer is when there is an actual full length train crossing for 10-15+ minutes, which both 50th street and 75th street are obviously equally affected by. This begs the question, the City has already created plans for a 75th street overpass of the CP ROW, so why not build that during the LRT construction? Makes the most inherent sense to me, but I'm obviously not a civil engineer/planner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickv View Post
    Great to hear, but.... the timing of this seems poor. Not in terms of the fact this should have been done decades ago, but how is traffic going to flow when I would assume that 50th street crossing will be blocked off for a good portion of time while this is completed, and then 75th street is down to one lane traffic for LRT construction not even one kilometer up south of the rail ROW at the exact same time?

    I understand that 50th street is directly next to the big CP yard and is often victim to engines crossing the intersection to switch tracks/whatever (this just happened to me yesterday), and while minor 4-5 minute delays from a train doing that is no question inconvenient, it is far from the end of the world. The true killer is when there is an actual full length train crossing for 10-15+ minutes, which both 50th street and 75th street are obviously equally affected by. This begs the question, the City has already created plans for a 75th street overpass of the CP ROW, so why not build that during the LRT construction? Makes the most inherent sense to me, but I'm obviously not a civil engineer/planner.
    I’d hazard to guess that the 50th street route is more pressing as 75th is not a contiguous truck route, so most commercial traffic runs up 50th street

    The major issue I have with this is that 50th street was literally just re-paved from the railway crossing all the way to 90th ave, with brand new lighting and sidewalks and landscaping done. Additionally the Sherwood Park freeway overpass just underwent major rehab work in the past year. Now they’re going to 6 lane it from 76 ave to 90 ave, which obviously means ripoing out a bunch of brand new infrastructure

    I’m all for getting rid of that rail crossing but holy, what a waste of resources and tax dollars upgrading something that was just upgraded two years ago!
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    This will be a welcome change. I've spent a bunch of times sitting there waiting for the train to move out of the way. It's just too bad that they aren't widening further south. Rush hour it is stand still traffic.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickv View Post
    Great to hear, but.... the timing of this seems poor. Not in terms of the fact this should have been done decades ago, but how is traffic going to flow when I would assume that 50th street crossing will be blocked off for a good portion of time while this is completed, and then 75th street is down to one lane traffic for LRT construction not even one kilometer up south of the rail ROW at the exact same time?

    I understand that 50th street is directly next to the big CP yard and is often victim to engines crossing the intersection to switch tracks/whatever (this just happened to me yesterday), and while minor 4-5 minute delays from a train doing that is no question inconvenient, it is far from the end of the world. The true killer is when there is an actual full length train crossing for 10-15+ minutes, which both 50th street and 75th street are obviously equally affected by. This begs the question, the City has already created plans for a 75th street overpass of the CP ROW, so why not build that during the LRT construction? Makes the most inherent sense to me, but I'm obviously not a civil engineer/planner.


    The Crossing may be Blocked for them to dig the underpass but as for the flow of traffic, it will be re-routed around the crossing on each side. There is enough room to accommodate two lanes of traffic each direction. They did it on 137ave at 142street rail crossing. It's just gonna be even slower going through that area now until completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Thank the good lord...what a mess that spot is.
    Finally. This place is a mess. In terms of investment, it will actually pay off in terms of more workable hours (or time at home), less gas wasted, etc etc. Not to mention school buses actually getting kids to school on time, ambulances and fire trucks not delayed, etc.

    Mind you, getting a pipeline built would probably have saved over half the delays since it's mostly oil trains nowadays.
    Not true. Most traffic is still for industries around Clover Bar and interchange traffic with CN. There are oil trains, but they are maybe 10% of the traffic.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I wonder if the 50th Street railway bridge will be two tracks.
    Yes. It will be. It will be really nice for us at CP, because we will be able to have a second track extended all the way to 71 Street because the Sherwood Park Freeway bridge has room for a second track too.

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    https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_pla...-widening.aspx

    2010 concept plan includes:

    "Replacing the bridge over Sherwood Park Freeway"

    Nickv said:
    "This begs the question, the City has already created plans for a 75th street overpass of the CP ROW, so why not build that during the LRT construction?"

    Because council seems to want 50st to be the east leg of the inner ring road instead of 75th, at least down to the south, obviously not up by the river. Not sure how they intend to do that though

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    75th Street doesn't get as many delays as 50th Street because it's not right beside a yard where trains are switching back and forth. That's probably the big reason 50th is a higher priority. I think 75th is up there too and will probably be next after 50th.

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