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    Ha ha - This is the greatest news segment I've ever seen:

    "I am a proud shitholer"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuTR...ature=youtu.be
    Last edited by MrOilers; 12-01-2018 at 09:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Ha ha - This is the greatest news segment I've ever seen:

    "I am a proud shitholer"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuTR...ature=youtu.be
    Love it. Thanks for posting.

    Now that reminded me that an original form of, I believe, “racialism” which I recall was usage based on nationalism, as in ‘the British race’. So I guess being ‘pro’ ones own country and ‘anti’ another country may define one as racist. Sorry, still trying to figure out the whole “racist” thing.

    As my mother told me when as a kid when I brought up the issue of bad treatment of people if different skin colours, she mentioned that Edmonton used to have signs posted that said “English need not apply” and that discrimination has always been everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Ha ha - This is the greatest news segment I've ever seen:

    "I am a proud shitholer"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuTR...ature=youtu.be
    Love it. Thanks for posting.

    Now that reminded me that an original form of, I believe, “racialism” which I recall was usage based on nationalism, as in ‘the British race’. So I guess being ‘pro’ ones own country and ‘anti’ another country may define one as racist. Sorry, still trying to figure out the whole “racist” thing.

    As my mother told me when as a kid when I brought up the issue of bad treatment of people if different skin colours, she mentioned that Edmonton used to have signs posted that said “English need not apply” and that discrimination has always been everywhere.
    still trying to figure out the whole “racist” thing???

    i’m pretty sure drawing an equivalency between the treatment of the “English” in edmonton and blacks in the u.s. won’t help you with that.

    i’m also pretty sure putting quotation marks around “the british race” does not a race make or identify. equating the treatment of immigrants with the treatment of races also won’t help you figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Anyone who supports Trump should renounce him after his indefensible comment today.
    He crossed the line of human decency and decorum


    Warning, objectionable language by the worst person in American history


    Trump derides protections for immigrants from ‘sh1thole’ countries
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    President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to several people briefed on the meeting.

    “Why are we having all these people from sh1thole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.


    Trump then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries such as Norway, whose prime minister he met with Wednesday. The president, according to a White House official, also suggested he would be open to more immigrants from Asian countries because he felt they help the United States economically.


    In addition, the president singled out Haiti, telling lawmakers that immigrants from that country must be left out of any deal, these people said.


    “Why do we need more Haitians?” Trump said, according to people familiar with the meeting. “Take them out.”
    Impeach Trump Now!
    So what exactly was said? Has it been recorded or put together based on more than one participant account?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    still trying to figure out the whole “racist” thing???
    It's a fair comment given that the definition of the word is being rapidly changed as we go along.

    For example, snce yesterday, calling a PLACE a profanity like sh!thole is being called "racist" by left. And yes, this is new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    It's a fair comment given that the definition of the word is being rapidly changed as we go along.

    For example, snce yesterday, calling a PLACE a profanity like sh!thole is being called "racist" by left. And yes, this is new.
    It'd be a lot easier to follow along if you understood & accepted the concept of dog whistle politics but you've already decided that's just some namby-pamby PC liberal leftist BS invented to keep conservatives down, so any further attempts to explain it to you would be futile at best & a complete waste of time & effort for everyone involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So what exactly was said? Has it been recorded or put together based on more than one participant account?
    No, it was unfortunately not recorded. It is a second-hand claim from yet another anonymous source. Just like when he supposedly said "Haitians all have AIDS"

    The Washington post loves playing this game of "telephone" to the public, and anti-Trump people eat it up as absolute truth.


    And from the same story, Trump is so racist that he supposedly said this as well:

    "The president, according to a White House official, also suggested he would be open to more immigrants from Asian countries because he felt that they help the United States economically."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.0ee0bc027cc5


    As we all know, nothing is more racist that being open to immigration from Asia, or being open to more immigration that improves economic conditions!

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    I thought you didn't take anonymous sources seriously? Or does it only count when they're saying something you disagree with?
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    'Countries that are dirty like toilets,’ and other ways Trump's profanity was translated abroad

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...slated-abroad/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So what exactly was said? Has it been recorded or put together based on more than one participant account?
    No, it was unfortunately not recorded. It is a second-hand claim from yet another anonymous source. Just like when he supposedly said "Haitians all have AIDS"

    The Washington post loves playing this game of "telephone" to the public, and anti-Trump people eat it up as absolute truth.


    And from the same story, Trump is so racist that he supposedly said this as well:

    "The president, according to a White House official, also suggested he would be open to more immigrants from Asian countries because he felt that they help the United States economically."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.0ee0bc027cc5


    As we all know, nothing is more racist that being open to immigration from Asia, or being open to more immigration that improves economic conditions!
    I’d skimmed an early story on this (I thought it was BBC) and thought I’d seen the Asian comment but later I couldn’t find any reference to it last night among the top news stories Google brought up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    still trying to figure out the whole “racist” thing???
    It's a fair comment given that the definition of the word is being rapidly changed as we go along.

    For example, snce yesterday, calling a PLACE a profanity like sh!thole is being called "racist" by left. And yes, this is new.
    Apparently the UN is now a leftie organization. Interesting! Must be fake news then right MrSh!itHole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    It'd be a lot easier to follow along if you understood & accepted the concept of dog whistle politics

    Dog whistle politics?

    Yeah, I perfectly know what that is. That is where you interpret a statement in whatever way you choose, and assign your own meaning to it in order to make a benign statement sound more nefarious than it actually is. Then, when someone says, "They never said that", you can just turn around and say, "Well they dog-whistled that part!"

    I think that is an incredibly dangerous thing to accept, actually. Because anyone can make YOUR statements 'dog-whistle' whatever they choose them to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    still trying to figure out the whole “racist” thing???
    It's a fair comment given that the definition of the word is being rapidly changed as we go along.

    For example, snce yesterday, calling a PLACE a profanity like sh!thole is being called "racist" by left. And yes, this is new.
    Apparently the UN is now a leftie organization. Interesting! Must be fake news then right MrSh!itHole?

    2/3 of the UN are despot countries (shitholes, if you will). I never respected the UN, because I despise the idea of a global government.

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    How about Fox saying that they have confirmed his comments?

    Trump laments immigration from 's---hole countries' in Oval Office negotiations

    President Trump lamented “s---hole countries” during immigration negotiations on Thursday with lawmakers in the Oval Office, Fox News has confirmed.


    “Why are we having all these people from s---hole countries come here?” the president said, in comments first reported by The Washington Post.


    The president was referring to people from Haiti, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras and African countries in the temporary protected status program, a source in the meeting told Fox News.


    About a dozen people, both Republicans and Democrats, were in the room at the time, including South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham and Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...otiations.html
    And who, other than MrNazi, is supporting him? Why, none other than white supremacists. Big surprise there.

    Trump’s comments about ‘sh*thole countries’ are wildly popular with white supremacists
    "That's what everyone is thinking."


    Christopher Cantwell, a white supremacist organizer who is being charged with assaulting counter-protesters in Charlottesville, praised Trump’s comments on Gab, a social network that caters to online racists.

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    Trump was also praised on Gab by Jared Wyand, a white nationalist who was banned from Twitter for anti-Semitic posts, endorsed Trump’s comments and added that “blacks are incapable of building thriving civil societies.”

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    Trump’s comments were also popular on Stormfront, a message board for white supremacists. One user said Trump was absolutely right to trash “non-white” countries.

    https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-***...-6ed336373ddf/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    still trying to figure out the whole “racist” thing???
    It's a fair comment given that the definition of the word is being rapidly changed as we go along.

    For example, snce yesterday, calling a PLACE a profanity like sh!thole is being called "racist" by left. And yes, this is new.
    Apparently the UN is now a leftie organization. Interesting! Must be fake news then right MrSh!itHole?

    2/3 of the UN are despot countries (shitholes, if you will). I never respected the UN, because I despise the idea of a global government.
    Just going to quote this so it's held for later. You certainly have an interesting (but very wrong) view of the rest of the world... which is probably why you are a racist (even if you don't believe you are)

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    I've already framed you. Most of C2E has, and probably most people you work with with, and surround you in your personal life.

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    Hey, just because MrOilers defends a racist, says racist things himself & advocates for racist policies doesn't mean he's a racist & even if he IS a racist, making that known is evidently a personal attack & likely to get you a PM begging for you to give him a break & let C2E be his safe space to keep vomiting his hateful vitriolic rhetoric.
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    I haven't received a PM. Am I not trying hard enough?

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    You posters (from the sh!thole side of the political spectrum) started calling me me Hitler over a year ago. I don't know why you put so much of energy into the incessant name-calling. You really can't call me anything worse.

    I am thinking it must be the only way you can still try and make yourselves feel superior or something.

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    Here’s my problem. They can put quotation marks around the ******** comment even though no one apparently recorded it. So it must have been confirmed by a couple sources, or was the reporter in the room, but the ‘accepting of Asian immigration’ comments have no quotation marks. So is that made up or not?

    Moreover, it is important to try to understand Trump’s views, thinking, attitudes, etc. Eg Canada itself is blatantly discriminatory in its immigration policy but it isn’t called racist.



    [quote]
    Trump denies ‘******** countries’ comment on Twitter: ‘This was not the language used’ | Montreal Gazette

    “Why are we having all these people from ******** countries come here?” Trump had said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.

    Trump then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries such as Norway, whose prime minister he met with Wednesday.
    A White House official said Trump had also suggested he would be open to more immigrants from Asian countries because he felt that they help the United States economically. ...”

    http://nationalpost.com/news/world/n...t-daca-meeting
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    You posters (from the sh!thole side of the political spectrum) started calling me me Hitler over a year ago. I don't know why you put so much of energy into the incessant name-calling. You really can't call me anything worse.

    I am thinking it must be the only way you can still try and make yourselves feel superior or something.
    That's a lovely way to deflect any & all criticism! I mean, we can't be actually revolted & disgusted by your personal views, can we? Calling you out on it can't be a vain attempt to trigger some sort of introspection in you, hopefully leading to some personal growth, can we? It's all gotta be us just trying to keep a conservative down & feel superior through name-calling! Yeah, that's it.

    You're a real piece of work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Here’s my problem. They can put quotation marks around the ******** comment even though no one apparently recorded it. So it must have been confirmed by a couple sources, or was the reporter in the room, but the ‘accepting of Asian immigration’ comments have no quotation marks. So is that made up or not?

    Moreover, it is important to try to understand Trump’s views, thinking, attitudes, etc. Eg Canada itself is blatantly discriminatory in its immigration policy but it isn’t called racist.



    Listen pal, stop trying to make sense. After all, FEELINGS are involved!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    You posters (from the sh!thole side of the political spectrum) started calling me me Hitler over a year ago. I don't know why you put so much of energy into the incessant name-calling. You really can't call me anything worse.

    I am thinking it must be the only way you can still try and make yourselves feel superior or something.
    That's a lovely way to deflect any & all criticism! I mean, we can't be actually revolted & disgusted by your personal views, can we? Calling you out on it can't be a vain attempt to trigger some sort of introspection in you, hopefully leading to some personal growth, can we? It's all gotta be us just trying to keep a conservative down & feel superior through name-calling! Yeah, that's it.

    You're a real piece of work.

    Be "disgusted" all you want - that's your right.

    And I know this is difficult for the political left to accept, but people will not simply do and say everything you want them to just because you think it's the "correct" way. And even *if* people do play along and keep quiet about their thoughts, it doesn't change the way people THINK.

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    MrAltReichRacist you mention 'left' again.

    If being 'right' means being racist, I would rather be 'wrong'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If being 'right' means being racist
    Good thing it doesn't!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    And I know this is difficult for the political left to accept, but people will not simply do and say everything you want them to just because you think it's the "correct" way. And even *if* people do play along and keep quiet about their thoughts, it doesn't change the way people THINK.
    No, I get it. You seem to ignore the fact I've said repeatedly that my goal isn't to make you & your ilk not-racist, but rather to make sure you leave your racist, backwards, regressive, illiberal, fascist, authoritarian BS inside your own head, where it belongs. You're perfectly free to think & believe whatever you want, but you do not have the freedom to foist said intolerance onto others, impinging their own freedom.

    By all means, keep on being the same deplorable human being you're so proud of being. Just do it somewhere else, where nobody can see you or be hurt or otherwise influenced by your vitriol.
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    I haven't been commenting in this thread much since it doesn't seem to go anywhere and trump is the sort of problem that will go away if you ignore him enough.

    I continue to believe that trump was a horrible choice for president and that when he does the right thing it's usually a coincidence, but the more hyperventilating I read/see here and elsewhere the more I'm convinced that his most fervent detractors are just as prejudiced, closed-minded and petty as his die-hard supporters.
    There can only be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So what exactly was said? Has it been recorded or put together based on more than one participant account?
    No, it was unfortunately not recorded. It is a second-hand claim from yet another anonymous source. Just like when he supposedly said "Haitians all have AIDS"

    The Washington post loves playing this game of "telephone" to the public, and anti-Trump people eat it up as absolute truth.


    And from the same story, Trump is so racist that he supposedly said this as well:

    "The president, according to a White House official, also suggested he would be open to more immigrants from Asian countries because he felt that they help the United States economically."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.0ee0bc027cc5


    As we all know, nothing is more racist that being open to immigration from Asia, or being open to more immigration that improves economic conditions!
    You are lying. You read my posted sourced statement from Dick Durbin before you posted this on the other thread. You continue to lie about the press.

    Senator Dick Durbin states that the Press information is correct on President Racist's words and he was at the meeting so that is first hand eyewitness statements.

    You are a lying flamebaiter
    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 12-01-2018 at 11:27 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    By all means, keep on being the same deplorable human being you're so proud of being. Just do it somewhere else

    This is going to disappoint you, but this forum allows people to post opinions you disagree with.

    I generally enjoy the discussions here, but I think it could use some moderation of personal attacks (which are wholly unnecessary)

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    So did Trump make the comment about Asian immigrants? If so how does that change the picture?

    It’s quite possible that Trump is racist towards African and Caribbean countries and not Asians. Similarly Trudeau moved to let in Syrian and other middle eastern citizens but ignored refugees long sitting in African refugee camps. One could argue that it was a matter of urgency in Trudeau’s case.

    Is Trump focused on only letting in people with skills that the US can profit off of?

    Canada has a racist policy in terms of selective qualifications and not random acceptance of applicants. Moreover taking the highly skilled and educated from impoverished countries reflects a shameful turning of a blind eye towards certain countries attempts to bost themselves out of poverty. It’s a choice of individual freedom of movement over an impoverished country’s population needs.
    Last edited by KC; 12-01-2018 at 11:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    This is going to disappoint you, but this forum allows people to post opinions you disagree with.

    I generally enjoy the discussions here, but I think it could use some moderation of personal attacks (which are wholly unnecessary)
    But calling you a racist isn't a personal attack. It's a succinct & accurate encapsulation of your personal views, based upon the information you yourself have provided across 10,000 posts. You should be more concerned about how to not come across as a deplorable racist rather than fixating on your own snowflake feelings for being called out on something you make no effort to conceal or temper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So did Trump make the comment about Asian immigrants? If so how does that change the picture?
    It doesn't change it, whatsoever. Being reaaaaallly racist to certain ethnic groups & only kinda sorta racist to others makes you still a full on racist piece of trash.

    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Similarly Trudeau moved to let in Syrian and other middle eastern citizens but ignored refugees long sitting in African refugee camps. One could argue that it was a matter of urgency in Trudeau’s case.
    Wait, are you trying to create a false equivalency here between Canadian immigration policy & Trump's straight up racist BS?

    Gross.
    Last edited by noodle; 12-01-2018 at 11:41 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    By all means, keep on being the same deplorable human being you're so proud of being. Just do it somewhere else

    This is going to disappoint you, but this forum allows people to post opinions you disagree with.

    I generally enjoy the discussions here, but I think it could use some moderation of personal attacks (which are wholly unnecessary)
    My opinion is that you are a racist. A deplorable. You might disagree, but I'm posting my opinion, which you say is allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    So did Trump make the comment about Asian immigrants? If so how does that change the picture?
    It doesn't change it, whatsoever. Being reaaaaallly racist to certain ethnic groups & only kinda sorta racist to others makes you still a full on racist piece of trash.

    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Similarly Trudeau moved to let in Syrian and other middle eastern citizens but ignored refugees long sitting in African refugee camps. One could argue that it was a matter of urgency in Trudeau’s case.
    Wait, are you trying to create a false equivalency here between Canadian immigration policy & Trump's straight up racist BS?

    Gross.
    Systemic entrenched racism is evil. Individual racism is evil. Having an individual in a position of power to make his individual racism systemic is evil. Canada seems to have beaten him to the punch in some ways through its own longstanding immigration policy.

    Moreover, even more recently Canada happily ignored the fate of many longstanding refugees to come to the aid of recent refugees.
    Last edited by KC; 12-01-2018 at 11:47 AM.

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    Seeing as he and his father were taken to court for refusing to rent to black people, I have no trouble believing he's racist. And, contrary to what Trump claims about "never settling", they settled. Not once but twice.

    Then there's this.

    Did Donald Trump really say those things?

    Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino President John R. O’Donnell, in the 1991 book “Trumped,” claimed that Trump once said that “laziness is a trait in blacks.” Here is the full context for the statement, as described in the book. O’Donnell relates a conversation with Trump about a finance employee, who happens to be black and who O’Donnell believes has shortcomings.


    Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”


    I couldn’t believe I was hearing this. But Donald went on, “Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something they can control. … Don’t you agree?”


    So this is clearly a secondhand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact. Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee, but he initially did not dispute the remarks. “The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” he told Playboy in an interview published in May 1997.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e5cf470f3fc6

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Systemic entrenched racism is evil. Individual racism is evil. Having an individual in a position of power to make his individual racism systemic is evil. Canada seems to have beaten him to the punch in some ways.
    Howso? By prioritizing those in critical, immediate danger over those not? This is a racist action to you because there's a difference of race between the two groups?

    I'm *directly* affected by the reprioritization of Canadian immigration resources as it's been a large factor in the extended timeframe it is taking to get my wife to immigrate from Europe & while I certainly would love for her to be here, I'm cognizant that while my wife is waiting she's safe & secure in Sweden, unlike the Syrians who've been prioritized in front of her. It's not any more racist or discriminatory than the letting of those very young & very old onto airplanes first. Sometimes those in greater need get greater care. This is a strength of our society, not something to be strawmanned into implied racism.

    Gross.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    By all means, keep on being the same deplorable human being you're so proud of being. Just do it somewhere else

    This is going to disappoint you, but this forum allows people to post opinions you disagree with.

    I generally enjoy the discussions here, but I think it could use some moderation of personal attacks (which are wholly unnecessary)
    It may be a personal attack but you have an abhorrent personal opinion and not stating facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Seeing as he and his father were taken to court for refusing to rent to black people, I have no trouble believing he's racist. And, contrary to what Trump claims about "never settling", they settled. Not once but twice.

    Then there's this.

    Did Donald Trump really say those things?

    Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino President John R. O’Donnell, in the 1991 book “Trumped,” claimed that Trump once said that “laziness is a trait in blacks.” Here is the full context for the statement, as described in the book. O’Donnell relates a conversation with Trump about a finance employee, who happens to be black and who O’Donnell believes has shortcomings.


    Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”


    I couldn’t believe I was hearing this. But Donald went on, “Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something they can control. … Don’t you agree?”


    So this is clearly a secondhand quote, made in a private conversation and written some years after the fact. Trump called O’Donnell a disgruntled employee, but he initially did not dispute the remarks. “The stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true,” he told Playboy in an interview published in May 1997.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e5cf470f3fc6
    I too have no problem believing Trump is a racist as well. The fact that his father’s origins come from a culture, country, part of the world or whatever you want to call it, that embraced the worst of racism adds to the suggestive nature of that belief. (Just as religion embeds hostile and biased beliefs in followers, broader cultures and fundamentalist beliefs perpetuate many nasty beliefs.)

    However my beliefs can be totally unreasonable and unfounded and subject to confirmation bias, thus making me wrongly biased if I don’t try to understand the reality and not the delusion.
    Last edited by KC; 12-01-2018 at 11:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Systemic entrenched racism is evil. Individual racism is evil. Having an individual in a position of power to make his individual racism systemic is evil. Canada seems to have beaten him to the punch in some ways.
    Howso? By prioritizing those in critical, immediate danger over those not? This is a racist action to you because there's a difference of race between the two groups?

    I'm *directly* affected by the reprioritization of Canadian immigration resources as it's been a large factor in the extended timeframe it is taking to get my wife to immigrate from Europe & while I certainly would love for her to be here, I'm cognizant that while my wife is waiting she's safe & secure in Sweden, unlike the Syrians who've been prioritized in front of her. It's not any more racist or discriminatory than the letting of those very young & very old onto airplanes first. Sometimes those in greater need get greater care. This is a strength of our society, not something to be strawmanned into implied racism.

    Gross.

    I agree. Descrimination has its place. However a racist argument is only one change of perception away. How urgent was the Syrian and other immigration and why did we chose the limited number we did? Did we reprioritize other immigration to redeploy funds to the apparent critical need? With many refugees in other parts of the world are we now acting with the same degree of compassion?... going forward are we going to reduce other immigration levels and increase refugee acceptance to the maximum possible?... why don’t we use a randomized selection process in accepting immigrants? (Minus those with safety and security issues.)
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    This is going to disappoint you, but this forum allows people to post opinions you disagree with.

    I generally enjoy the discussions here, but I think it could use some moderation of personal attacks (which are wholly unnecessary)
    But calling you a racist isn't a personal attack. It's a succinct & accurate encapsulation of your personal views, based upon the information you yourself have provided across 10,000 posts. You should be more concerned about how to not come across as a deplorable racist rather than fixating on your own snowflake feelings for being called out on something you make no effort to conceal or temper.

    Wow. So judgmental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    By all means, keep on being the same deplorable human being you're so proud of being. Just do it somewhere else

    This is going to disappoint you, but this forum allows people to post opinions you disagree with.

    I generally enjoy the discussions here, but I think it could use some moderation of personal attacks (which are wholly unnecessary)
    It may be a personal attack but you have an abhorrent personal opinion and not stating facts.

    Wow. So judgmental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    By all means, keep on being the same deplorable human being you're so proud of being. Just do it somewhere else

    This is going to disappoint you, but this forum allows people to post opinions you disagree with.

    I generally enjoy the discussions here, but I think it could use some moderation of personal attacks (which are wholly unnecessary)
    My opinion is that you are a racist. A deplorable. You might disagree, but I'm posting my opinion, which you say is allowed.
    Wow. So judgmental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post

    Instantly, Donald was enthused. “Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the f––– he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e5cf470f3fc6

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    Top_Dawg can totally understand that.

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    Keep making it about us for being mean to your poor little racist self. Nothing quite as funny as watching you cry for a safe space to spew your bile. Everyone I send your plea PMs to has a good chuckle at you too.
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    If you trust CBS News, Trump saying those words was made up:


    NEW: Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue issue joint statement on President Trump's reported "sh*thole" comment, saying "we do not recall the President saying these comments specifically." http://cbsn.ws/2mx0eRw

    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/951877385628078080

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    I haven't been commenting in this thread much since it doesn't seem to go anywhere and trump is the sort of problem that will go away if you ignore him enough.

    I continue to believe that trump was a horrible choice for president and that when he does the right thing it's usually a coincidence, but the more hyperventilating I read/see here and elsewhere the more I'm convinced that his most fervent detractors are just as prejudiced, closed-minded and petty as his die-hard supporters.
    I agree with you. It's their own sh!tshow. Don't get involved in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    If you trust CBS News, Trump saying those words was made up:


    NEW: Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue issue joint statement on President Trump's reported "sh*thole" comment, saying "we do not recall the President saying these comments specifically." http://cbsn.ws/2mx0eRw

    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/951877385628078080
    Specifically and don't recall are the key words.

    CBS News is reporting that a respected eyewitness
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dick-du...es-repeatedly/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    I haven't been commenting in this thread much since it doesn't seem to go anywhere and trump is the sort of problem that will go away if you ignore him enough.

    I continue to believe that trump was a horrible choice for president and that when he does the right thing it's usually a coincidence, but the more hyperventilating I read/see here and elsewhere the more I'm convinced that his most fervent detractors are just as prejudiced, closed-minded and petty as his die-hard supporters.
    I agree with you. It's their own sh!tshow. Don't get involved in it.
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    Clearly Durbin is just another Democrat-deep-state sleeper agent, not like those two upstanding True Republicans, Cotton & Perdue. They truly understand how important it is to MAGA!
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    Nothing new about Trump. He's been selling this for years and the Republicans have been lining up to buy it.

    How Republicans Normalized Donald Trump’s Racism
    Trump’s “********” moment was years in the making.

    Trump was peddling virulent stuff. And it was fair to call this a racist effort. There was no evidence. But there was this basic fact: Obama was black. And Trump was trying to delegitimize him, playing to conservatives who detested Obama. Trump was promoting the sentiment that Obama was “the other”—literally a foreigner who had usurped power in the United States. Just as he was heading toward birtherism, Trump appeared at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference. He didn’t raise the birther issue, but he did feed the conspiratorial bias of his audience, declaring there was something shifty about Obama’s past: “The people who went to school with him never saw him, they don’t know who he is. Crazy.” That was absolutely false. (I say this as someone who has had to listen to a fair number of people tell me their I-went-to-school-with-Obama anecdotes.) And it was soon after this appearance—where he was warmly received—that Trump began waving the birther flag.


    As Trump pursued this crusade, there were no Republicans and few members of the media who called out his racism—or his nuttiness. In fact, Republicans and conservatives eagerly welcomed him into their circles. In early 2012, Mitt Romney, who was then fighting for the GOP presidential nomination, turned to Trump for help. Prior to the Nevada caucuses, he courted the celebrity businessman’s support and won him over. Romney trekked to Trump’s Las Vegas hotel for an event announcing Trump’s endorsement. There the Republican front-runner praised the real estate magnate and noted it was just so darn awesome to be backed by Trump. “There are some things that you just can’t imagine happening in your life,” Romney gushed. By this point, Trump was mostly known in politics for his racially charged campaign to discredit Obama. With this meeting, Romney signaled that Trump was fine company for the GOP and that his over-the-top birtherism was no disqualification. And when Romney months later was asked if Trump’s birtherism concerned him, he punted: “You know, I don’t agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don’t all agree with everything I believe in.” The Republican tent had room for this reality-denying reality television celebrity.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...trumps-racism/

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Systemic entrenched racism is evil. Individual racism is evil. Having an individual in a position of power to make his individual racism systemic is evil. Canada seems to have beaten him to the punch in some ways.
    Howso? By prioritizing those in critical, immediate danger over those not? This is a racist action to you because there's a difference of race between the two groups?

    I'm *directly* affected by the reprioritization of Canadian immigration resources as it's been a large factor in the extended timeframe it is taking to get my wife to immigrate from Europe & while I certainly would love for her to be here, I'm cognizant that while my wife is waiting she's safe & secure in Sweden, unlike the Syrians who've been prioritized in front of her. It's not any more racist or discriminatory than the letting of those very young & very old onto airplanes first. Sometimes those in greater need get greater care. This is a strength of our society, not something to be strawmanned into implied racism.

    Gross.

    I agree. Descrimination has its place. However a racist argument is only one change of perception away. How urgent was the Syrian and other immigration and why did we chose the limited number we did? Did we reprioritize other immigration to redeploy funds to the apparent critical need? With many refugees in other parts of the world are we now acting with the same degree of compassion?... going forward are we going to reduce other immigration levels and increase refugee acceptance to the maximum possible?... why don’t we use a randomized selection process in accepting immigrants? (Minus those with safety and security issues.)

    A bit more:

    Racist immigration policy must change – The McGill Daily

    https://www.mcgilldaily.com/2009/11/...y_must_change/

    Canada's 'merit-based' immigration system wins Trump's praise
    “...

    Applicants are given a score on a 100-point scale, with points awarded in six categories:

    • 28 maximum points for language skills. The more fluent they are in English and French, Canada's two official languages, the more points they get.

    • 25 points for education — 5 for a high school diploma, 19 for a two-year college degree, 25 for a PhD.

    • 15 maximum points for work experience — the more skilled the job, and the more years spent doing it, the more points.

    • 12 maximum points for age — the younger the applicant, the more points awarded.

    • 10 points maximum if they have a current job offer from a Canadian employer.

    • 10 points maximum for "adaptability," which includes things like family ties to Canadians or past visits to the country. ..”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ased/98594790/


    Is a 'Merit-Based' Immigration System a Good Idea? - The Atlantic

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...system/518985/




    Points of Prejudice: Education-Based Discrimination in Canada's Immigration System - Tannock - 2011 - Antipode - Wiley Online Library

    Abstract

    Abstract:  Education and skill are increasingly used by states around the world as a central organizing principle in the regulation of migration flows. Immigration theorists have often claimed that use of education and skill to determine “who should get in” to a country is non-discriminatory, innocent and legitimate. Using the example of Canadian immigration policy, this article argues in contrast that skill-based migration regimes are discriminatory, violate core principles of public education provision, unjustly create second-class tiers of immigrants officially classified as “low skilled” in receiving countries, and contribute to a growing problem of “brain drain” of the highly skilled from sending countries worldwide.”

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...864.x/abstract
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    Essentially she's saying "Yes, let's let Trump continue to talk like this and never, ever call him on it because it makes our racist president look like a racist."

    Who do you want to be the face of your country, a dyed-in-the-wool racist or the people that call him on it?

    Fox News host: People who leaked Trump’s ‘sh*thole’ comments ‘make our country look bad’

    “I mean, it makes our country look bad,” she elaborated. “I think the Democrats, in this case, should have used some discretion. And even if he did say something like that, not repeat it for the benefit of the country.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/fox-...ntry-look-bad/

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    A bit more:

    Racist immigration policy must change – The McGill Daily

    https://www.mcgilldaily.com/2009/11/...y_must_change/
    From that nearly-10-year-old-article:

    For example, the Live-in Caregiver Program (LCP) is a way for Canada to buttress its healthcare system at little obligation or cost. The chasm between hours paid and actual hours worked is stunning. If we calculate based on minimum wage alone, employers using the LCP, who get 24-hour child care and housework, should be paying $6,000 a month. In reality, the women in the program are being paid $1,200 a month – $961 if we subtract room and board costs. (Figures for room and board and wages can be found in Scrap the LCP: The struggle for Filipino women’s liberation in Canada.) The only way this could be unrecognized as clear exploitation are these prevalent racist attitudes – that these workers deserve less because of the countries they come from. They should be so happy as to work in our country, some might say. But human dignity should not be tied to one’s state of origin – it is inherent and inviolable.
    From https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...r-program.html
    The Live-in Caregiver Program (LCP) is closed to new applicants. If you don’t already have a LCP work permit and would like to work as a caregiver in Canada, you must apply for a regular work permit.
    Looks like that's already been dealt with...
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    A bit more:

    Racist immigration policy must change – The McGill Daily

    https://www.mcgilldaily.com/2009/11/...y_must_change/
    From that nearly-10-year-old-article:

    For example, the Live-in Caregiver Program (LCP) is a way for Canada to buttress its healthcare system at little obligation or cost. The chasm between hours paid and actual hours worked is stunning. If we calculate based on minimum wage alone, employers using the LCP, who get 24-hour child care and housework, should be paying $6,000 a month. In reality, the women in the program are being paid $1,200 a month – $961 if we subtract room and board costs. (Figures for room and board and wages can be found in Scrap the LCP: The struggle for Filipino women’s liberation in Canada.) The only way this could be unrecognized as clear exploitation are these prevalent racist attitudes – that these workers deserve less because of the countries they come from. They should be so happy as to work in our country, some might say. But human dignity should not be tied to one’s state of origin – it is inherent and inviolable.
    From https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...r-program.html
    The Live-in Caregiver Program (LCP) is closed to new applicants. If you don’t already have a LCP work permit and would like to work as a caregiver in Canada, you must apply for a regular work permit.
    Looks like that's already been dealt with...
    I added more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I added more.
    Yeah, I can't really discuss that paper based solely on the abstract, sorry.
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    http://www.canadianlawyermag.com/aut...promises-3583/

    You also may want to find more timely information rather than stuff that predates some of the pretty dramatic changes that have been put in place under the current government.

    You seem keen to rail on the current immigration policy & are using articles centered around the system as it was versus the one that it is, or American analysis of our Canadian system through the lens of American values, which (thankfully) are very divergent from Canadian ones when it comes to immigration & multiculturalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Essentially she's saying "Yes, let's let Trump continue to talk like this and never, ever call him on it because it makes our racist president look like a racist."

    Who do you want to be the face of your country, a dyed-in-the-wool racist or the people that call him on it?

    Fox News host: People who leaked Trump’s ‘sh*thole’ comments ‘make our country look bad’

    “I mean, it makes our country look bad,” she elaborated. “I think the Democrats, in this case, should have used some discretion. And even if he did say something like that, not repeat it for the benefit of the country.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/fox-...ntry-look-bad/
    And don't mention his Russian connections either. Got it...
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    No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion! No collusion!

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    A former GOP Congressman on Trump and those in the party that excuse and enable him and those like him.

    Ex-GOP Rep rips ‘racist’ Trump and his defenders: He’s consistently ‘expressed an ideology’ where rich, white people are better

    “Let’s be honest, this is an embarrassing day to be a Republican,” Jolly told CNN’s Brooke Baldwin. “And for rational Republicans, you should be angry today. I believe the president’s comments, if they were made, were racist.”


    “Even if you do not, if you are a defender of Donald Trump, here’s the important thing,” Jolly continued. “We know our president, through word and deed over the past two years, has certainly expressed an ideology based upon a certain social hierarchy, a construct, where white people of European decent, particularly those of wealth, have a different place in society than poor people of color.”


    Jolly explained what’s even more insidious than Trump’s rampant racism is the fact that “this is someone directing the policy of the United States” and “crafting legislation with the Hill that will effect millions of lives, particularly poor people of color.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/ex-g...le-are-better/

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    Here's a Haitian that Trump liked, former dictator Jean-Claude "Baby-Doc" Duvalier

    Haitian government claims ousted dictator ‘Baby Doc’ Duvalier laundered stolen money through Trump Tower

    According to the Buzzfeed News report, the Haitian government complained in the 1980s that former dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier laundered money stolen from the Caribbean nation’s treasury by purchasing an apartment in Trump Tower.


    Duvalier, nicknamed “Baby Doc,” was overthrown in 1986, but three years earlier used a Panamanian shell company called Lasa Trade and Finance to buy apartment 54-K in Trump’s Manhattan tower for $446,875 cash.


    Trump, the future U.S. president, signed the deed of sale.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/hait...h-trump-tower/

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    ^Say it isn't so...
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    Looks more and more like this story that the Washington Post (again) published is not very credible and should've be left to the tabloids:


    "Reminder: Sen. Durbin once compared U.S. soldiers to Nazis and has fabricated quotes from White House meetings before. Take anything he says with a grain of salt."
    - Joe Walsh
    https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/sta...64259012628481



    "Pressed about whether the President called African nations “shitholes”... Senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue say they don’t recall “the President saying these comments” but what they do recall is that the President did “call out the imbalance in our immigration system”"
    - NBC News Reporter Ayman Mohyeldin
    https://twitter.com/aymanm/status/951881131145785344

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    Republicans are hiding in their hidey-holes so they don't have to speak to the press abut the Racist-in-Chief.

    Republicans who heard Trump's '********' comments plead amnesia or hide from the press

    Lindsey Graham, meanwhile, is still in hiding, refusing to talk to reporters in “uncharacteristically snappish” fashion. But his fellow South Carolina senator, Tim Scott, talked to Graham and then to reporters:


    Graham, Scott said, told him the reported comments are “basically accurate.”


    “If that comment is accurate, the comment is incredibly disappointing,” Scott also told The Post and Courier on Friday morning.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...from-the-press

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    I find it hilarious that everyone that's coming out to defend Trump appears to be just as racist as he is.

    Joe Walsh? Check
    Tom Cotton? Check
    David Perdue? Check
    MrOilers? Check

    Birds of a feather & all.
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    "basically accurate"?

    Ha ha.

    So nobody can actually prove what was said in that meeting, and this entire story hinges on the word of a Democrat senator (who already has a history of lying) and the media who runs with it to make a sensationalistic headline? And everybody who doesn't jump on the bandwagon is being called "racist"?


    Stuff like this is why Trump won in the first place, and this type of lunacy is exactly what will hand him another term.

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    You don't believe a Democratic Senator, but will believe Trump who's had to pay out tens of millions to settle fraud claims?

    Ye gods, that's some serious brokebrain you got going on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    You don't believe a Democratic Senator

    Why should we?

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    Trump reportedly interrupted intel briefing to ask Korean American, “Where are you from?”

    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/12/...gence-briefing
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Why should we?

    Well, given that your personal standards of credibility are loose enough to find Trump credible, I'm more interested in why we should actually your own protestations seriously, hence my original question.

    But you edited that part out to try and deflect the question back at me.

    Nice try. E for effort, D- on results.

    Get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    You don't believe a Democratic Senator

    Why should we?
    well at least we do know who he is and have at least some ability to hold him accountable in determining how much belief to accord him or not.

    which is more than we know about you. all we know about you is what you choose to anonymously post here with no ability to verify or to obtain context. all we have from you is the words you freely choose to have us judge your believability by.

    try again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    You don't believe a Democratic Senator

    Why should we?
    Try these guys

    Republican Lindsey Graham
    Republican Tim Scott

    Republicans who heard Trump's '********' comments plead amnesia or hide from the press

    Lindsey Graham, meanwhile, is still in hiding, refusing to talk to reporters in “uncharacteristically snappish” fashion. But his fellow South Carolina senator, Tim Scott, talked to Graham and then to reporters:

    Graham, Scott said, told him the reported comments are “basically accurate.”

    “If that comment is accurate, the comment is incredibly disappointing,” Scott also told The Post and Courier on Friday morning.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...from-the-press
    I don't see a bunch of Republicans coming out and saying that Lindsey Graham and Dick Durbin are lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Why should we?

    Well, given that your personal standards of credibility are loose enough to find Trump credible, I'm more interested in why we should actually your own protestations seriously, hence my original question.

    But you edited that part out to try and deflect the question back at me.

    Nice try. E for effort, D- on results.

    Get better.
    Can you please stop personally attacking me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Well so much for the poor in various countries that weren’t privileged and able to learn English or a desired skill as required by points/merit immigration policies. My guess is that such shortfalls parallel national / racial differences and so is tantamount to racial exclusion.


    Defining “Desirable” Immigrants | American Immigration Council

    “This point system may also result in a nationality bias, which will be translated into a systematic exclusion of immigrants from countries with lower levels of human capital. The diversity component, which has been an important part of the U.S. immigration system for more than twenty years, will—under this bill—be terminated for good. The 5 points that applicants can earn if they come from countries with low levels of migration to the U.S. do not seem to be sufficient to undo the structural barriers that prevent applicants from earning points under the other categories.”

    https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...ble-immigrants
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Why should we?

    Well, given that your personal standards of credibility are loose enough to find Trump credible, I'm more interested in why we should actually your own protestations seriously, hence my original question.

    But you edited that part out to try and deflect the question back at me.

    Nice try. E for effort, D- on results.

    Get better.
    Can you please stop personally attacking me.
    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Why should we?

    Well, given that your personal standards of credibility are loose enough to find Trump credible, I'm more interested in why we should actually your own protestations seriously, hence my original question.

    But you edited that part out to try and deflect the question back at me.

    Nice try. E for effort, D- on results.

    Get better.
    Can you please stop personally attacking me.
    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    which is more than we know about you. all we know about you is what you choose to anonymously post here with no ability to verify or to obtain context.

    Good! The last thing I want are unhinged people following me off this board and threatening me or my family because an online SJW mob have judged that I am Hitler.

    The violent language, attempted dehumanizing, and name-calling thrown in my direction from those types of people on an internet forum is harmless (they are just words, after all), but there are many people in this world who would gladly take that violence to another level OFF this board and into my personal life as well simply because they cannot control themselves when hearing opinions other than their own.

    No thank you.

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    Hahahahaha

    Keep on deflecting. Because at least when you're deflecting you're not being racist.
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    which is more than we know about you. all we know about you is what you choose to anonymously post here with no ability to verify or to obtain context.

    Good! The last thing I want are unhinged people following me off this board and threatening me or my family because an online SJW mob have judged that I am Hitler.

    The violent language, attempted dehumanizing, and name-calling thrown in my direction from those types of people on an internet forum is harmless (they are just words, after all), but there are many people in this world who would gladly take that violence to another level OFF this board and into my personal life as well simply because they cannot control themselves when hearing opinions other than their own.

    No thank you.
    Sadly I think you are correct.


    E: it showed as a double entry.

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    It's totally because we disagree with you & totally not that you're a bigot, sanctimoniously spouting harmful, racist, regressive, illiberal, intolerant, condescending & dehumanizing rhetoric.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    which is more than we know about you. all we know about you is what you choose to anonymously post here with no ability to verify or to obtain context.

    Good! The last thing I want are unhinged people following me off this board and threatening me or my family because an online SJW mob have judged that I am Hitler.

    The violent language, attempted dehumanizing, and name-calling thrown in my direction from those types of people on an internet forum is harmless (they are just words, after all), but there are many people in this world who would gladly take that violence to another level OFF this board and into my personal life as well simply because they cannot control themselves when hearing opinions other than their own.

    No thank you.
    And I've seen considerable hostile language directed towards IanO. I'm not sure about kcantor but I firmly believe that on the internet this is a near certainty: "whatever you say or do, WILL be used against you'. Anyone volunteering any information to provide context or understanding will find that that information will immediately be taken out of context by some people in their pursuits of their own interests. Too many people are unwilling to try to understand opposing view points or pursue something closer to what might be called the objective 'truth', let alone the real truth. It's easier to rely on a selective perception to lump them together into some silo. (Something we all do to some extent, for various reasons.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    which is more than we know about you. all we know about you is what you choose to anonymously post here with no ability to verify or to obtain context.

    Good! The last thing I want are unhinged people following me off this board and threatening me or my family because an online SJW mob have judged that I am Hitler.
    Sadly I think you are correct.


    E: it showed as a double entry.
    Nobody thinks that MrNazi is Hitler. He's more of one of the scared, angry people that joined the party because it gave him a feeling of power that he'd never have on his own. It made him feel important and superior to other people even though he was still the scared little racist that he always was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    which is more than we know about you. all we know about you is what you choose to anonymously post here with no ability to verify or to obtain context.

    Good! The last thing I want are unhinged people following me off this board and threatening me or my family because an online SJW mob have judged that I am Hitler.
    Sadly I think you are correct.


    E: it showed as a double entry.
    Nobody thinks that MrNazi is Hitler. He's more of one of the scared, angry people that joined the party because it gave him a feeling of power that he'd never have on his own. It made him feel important and superior to other people even though he was still the scared little racist that he always was.
    I've been waiting for MrOilers to start calling you MrStalin

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    They need to define normal. If one looked at the hyperbolic accusatory language on c2e they would agree that incredibly hostile epithets are commonplace and so, 'normal'. However, the attendees are just a tiny subset of the population so it's hard to see that as representative of anything close to 'normal'.


    Fox News Defends Trump’s '********' Comments As Just The Way Normal People Talk

    "If you’re at a bar, and you’re from Wisconsin, and you’re thinking, ‘They’re bringing in a bunch of Haiti people' ... This is how some people talk.”

    By Marina Fang

    WASHINGTON ― Most news networks reporting on President Donald Trump’s remarks about restricting immigrants from “******** countries” notably didn’t shy away from using the vulgar word, and called the president’s insult what it was ― racist.

    But over at Fox News, Trump’s network of choice, hosts and panelists were defending the president’s crude comments before shifting to other topics.

    ...
    “So, if you say Norway is a better place to live, and Haiti is kind of a hole, well, anyone who’s been to those countries or has lived in them would agree,” Carlson said. “But we’re jumping up and down, ‘Oh, you can’t say that.’ Why can’t you say that?”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/f...b0720dc4c64a73
    bolding mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    which is more than we know about you. all we know about you is what you choose to anonymously post here with no ability to verify or to obtain context.

    Good! The last thing I want are unhinged people following me off this board and threatening me or my family because an online SJW mob have judged that I am Hitler.

    The violent language, attempted dehumanizing, and name-calling thrown in my direction from those types of people on an internet forum is harmless (they are just words, after all), but there are many people in this world who would gladly take that violence to another level OFF this board and into my personal life as well simply because they cannot control themselves when hearing opinions other than their own.

    No thank you.
    Sadly I think you are correct.


    Sadly I think you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    They need to define normal. If one looked at the hyperbolic accusatory language on c2e they would agree that incredibly hostile epithets are commonplace and so, 'normal'. However, the attendees are just a tiny subset of the population so it's hard to see that as representative of anything close to 'normal'.


    Fox News Defends Trump’s '********' Comments As Just The Way Normal People Talk

    "If you’re at a bar, and you’re from Wisconsin, and you’re thinking, ‘They’re bringing in a bunch of Haiti people' ... This is how some people talk.”

    By Marina Fang

    WASHINGTON ― Most news networks reporting on President Donald Trump’s remarks about restricting immigrants from “******** countries” notably didn’t shy away from using the vulgar word, and called the president’s insult what it was ― racist.

    But over at Fox News, Trump’s network of choice, hosts and panelists were defending the president’s crude comments before shifting to other topics.

    ...
    “So, if you say Norway is a better place to live, and Haiti is kind of a hole, well, anyone who’s been to those countries or has lived in them would agree,” Carlson said. “But we’re jumping up and down, ‘Oh, you can’t say that.’ Why can’t you say that?”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/f...b0720dc4c64a73
    bolding mine
    i wouldn't necessarily argue with marina fang that "if you're at a bar, and you're from wisconsin, and you're thinking "They're bringing in a bunch of Haiti people"... this is how some people talk".

    that doesn't mean that i would consider anyone in the bar talking like that to have the skills to be the president of the united states of america.

    and it doesn't mean that a president of the united stated of america who also talked like that has the skills to be the president of the united states of america either. does that make him not the president? no. not yet. and not soon enough.
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    Trump has corrupted the natural discourse.

    If any previous President in the past 100 years, spoke like President Racist did this week, the public and Congress would have reacted without the dismissal and indifference many afford this one.
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    Look how crazy his supporters went when Clinton said "To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables, Right? Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that and he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric."

    And now we see just how true she was. If anything, she was optimistic since Trump's base is hovering around 30%, over half what he got on election day. And for what she said, she was called every name in the book by Republicans who now stay silent over Trump.
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    White Nationalists Just Loved Trump’s ‘********’ Comment
    Read more: https://forward.com/fast-forward/392...*****-comment/

    President Trump may have come under fire for his comment referring to Haiti and African nations as “******** countries,” but for white nationalists, he struck just the right tone.

    The Anti Defamation League collected some of the reactions in the far-right twittersphere, where Trump’s remarks were yet another reason to celebrate the president.


    For alt-right leader Richard Spencer, Trump’s comments were a chance to make his own racist remarks about Haitian people. “It’s a potential beautiful and productive country,” he tweeted about Haiti. “The problem is its filled with ******** people.” He later twitted a photo waving a Norwegian flag with the hashtag #NordicLivesMatter.

    Richard Anglin of the Daily Stormer called Trump’s comments “encouraging and refreshing,” and noted that they indicate that “Trump is more or less on the same page as us with regards to race and immigration.” He went on to rant about “****** brown people who come to our country exclusively to parasite off of us.”

    Former KKK leader David Duke also loved Trump’s words, but now he expects more. “Trump spoke blunt truth that makes PERFECT TRUTH,” Duke twitted. “So, Mr. Prez, ACT ON IT - DON’T CAVE IN!”

    For some, it was also an opportunity to air anti-Semitic creeds. Mike Enoch of Right Stuff, claimed that Jews who control the media are responsible for highlighting Trump’s comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Look how crazy his supporters went when Clinton said "To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables, Right? Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that and he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric."

    And now we see just how true she was. If anything, she was optimistic since Trump's base is hovering around 30%, over half what he got on election day. And for what she said, she was called every name in the book by Republicans who now stay silent over Trump.
    And those numbers are very scary. Look at the tribalism that has ruled various regions all over the world. They are not always the majority but they managed to seize and retain power.

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    Stories are leaking out that Trump is correct, he did not call those countries as sh1thole countries.



    It is suggested that he said that they were sh1thouse countries.

    See the difference?

    Feel better now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Stories are leaking out that Trump is correct, he did not call those countries as sh1thole countries.



    It is suggested that he said that they were sh1thouse countries.

    See the difference?

    Feel better now?
    Except if true, it’s indicative of something far worse. The people in the highest offices in the world and in some cases the nuclear arms, may not even be capable of listening correctly. Just wonderful. Anyone can hold high office, and that means - anyone. (It always scares me when I discover that the people running the show are no more capable than me.)


    Reminds me of Peter Lynch talking about business: “"invest in businesses any ***** could run because someday one will." Except this is government, not some dumb business.



    The word was "shithouse" according to National Review guy on CNN.... - Democratic Underground


    The word was "shithouse" according to National Review guy on CNN....

    I didn't get his name, sorry. Like it makes a huge difference that he supposedly said shithouse countries instead of ******** countries.

    eta: Erin Burnett's show with April Ryan, Paris Dennard (who tried to defend Trump) and Joan Walsh also.

    eta2: It is Rich Lowry from NR. Looked him up after I heard him referred to as "Rich". “

    https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210087968




    “Ok the missiles are off. Trump said: take out South Korea right? Well, whatever, close enough.”


    Shithouse comment proves Trump is BOTH an unapologetic racist AND mentally ill

    https://www.dailykos.com/story/2018/...D-mentally-ill
    Last edited by KC; 12-01-2018 at 10:33 PM.

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    We should try and get some of those new F-52's Trump talked about
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