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    He's admitted that he knows more than the Generals already. Why would he listen to them?

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    Kent: Why President Trump Should Follow His Gut on Foreign Policy

    “Those in the national defense establishment argue that we must stay on the ground, working with our partners (mostly Syrian Kurds) to ensure ISIS does not return. ISIS will return, regardless of our footprint in Syria. This is not a matter of “if” — unfortunately, it is “when.” To understand why, we need to look no further than a map.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...oreign-policy/


    Kinzinger: 'We Certainly Have Not Won the War Against ISIS' | Breitbart

    “Kinzinger said, “The president keeps saying we’ve won this war against ISIS. We certainly have not won the war against ISIS. We’ve made gains, and if you release 10,000 of them, that’s incredible. And you think about the message this is sending to our Kurdish allies. … And when I hear Rand Paul, for instance, say things like, well, we only have 300 or 400 people there, the best people to do it are the ones on the ground. That’s exactly what the 300 or 400 people’s job is is to empower indigenous forces, locals to fight their own battle. This is exactly the kind of fight that people like Rand Paul actually said he wanted to do instead of 200,000 troops.”

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019...-against-isis/
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    Bolton contacted whistleblower prior to filing complaint, suggesting an attempted coup
    The Buffalo Chronicle
    https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/09...ttempted-coup/

    Trudeau is rumored to be in talks with an accusor to suppress an explosive sex scandal
    The Buffalo Chronicle
    https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10...m-from-office/

    Ty Whelly, former Marine, says Elizabeth Warren paid him for sex
    The Buffalo Chronicle
    https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10...d-him-for-sex/

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    More than a wink and a nod...

    Analysis / Bias


    In review, The Buffalo Chronicle is an online newspaper... that favor the Right such as this: Obama’s pathetic ‘Blame Fox’ excuse. Further, articles written by staff are right biased and pro-Trump. Local news also features strong right wing bias in attacking local Democrats. In general, The Buffalo Chronicle reports favorably on the right and negatively on the left.


    The Buffalo Chronicle has also been cited for publishing false information about Canada.


    Overall, we rate The Buffalo Chronicle Questionable based on far right wing bias and a complete lack of transparency.


    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-buffalo-chronicle/
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Kent: Why President Trump Should Follow His Gut on Foreign Policy
    Most people use their brains but he is a very special genius. I think the half digested fried chicken, he had while watching Faux News, had more coherent thoughts than he has.
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    Breaking News

    Thump claims that the phone call with the Ukraine President was "Perfect" but they must have something to hide.


    Ambassador Sondland to appear before House Intelligence Committee.... NOT!

    Gordon Sondland, a wealthy hotelier turned ambassador, became the latest key player in the Ukraine inquiry has been ordered by the State department to NOT testify.




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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post

    Bolton contacted whistleblower prior to filing complaint, suggesting an attempted coup
    The Buffalo Chronicle
    https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/09...ttempted-coup/

    Trudeau is rumored to be in talks with an accusor to suppress an explosive sex scandal
    The Buffalo Chronicle
    https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10...m-from-office/

    Ty Whelly, former Marine, says Elizabeth Warren paid him for sex
    The Buffalo Chronicle
    https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10...d-him-for-sex/
    KC, please don't post articles from a website that outright fabricates things: https://www.canadalandshow.com/the-b...-not-reliable/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post

    Bolton contacted whistleblower prior to filing complaint, suggesting an attempted coup
    The Buffalo Chronicle
    https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/09...ttempted-coup/

    Trudeau is rumored to be in talks with an accusor to suppress an explosive sex scandal
    The Buffalo Chronicle
    https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10...m-from-office/

    Ty Whelly, former Marine, says Elizabeth Warren paid him for sex
    The Buffalo Chronicle
    https://buffalochronicle.com/2019/10...d-him-for-sex/
    KC, please don't post articles from a website that outright fabricates things: https://www.canadalandshow.com/the-b...-not-reliable/
    Again you reveal your lack of a sense of humour.

    With over 10k posts in this thread you should be ready for some relief from the mundane.

    Moreover why now, have you not noticed my prior Breitbart, Fox and CNN posts?


    And what about all the people that post twitter’s useless tweets by twits.
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    I don't find spreading misinformation in the middle of an election particularly funny, but you do your thing, you whacky guy you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    I don't find spreading misinformation in the middle of an election particularly funny, but you do your thing, you whacky guy you.
    The Trudeau post in a Trump thread was supposed to be the HUUGE red flag showing that it was all a farce.


    Can I now assume you are planning to vote for a Liberal candidate / Trudeau?
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    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    I don't find spreading misinformation in the middle of an election particularly funny, but you do your thing, you whacky guy you.
    The Trudeau post in a Trump thread was supposed to be the HUUGE red flag showing that it was all a farce.


    Can I now assume you are planning to vote for a Liberal candidate / Trudeau?
    Very much on the fence. Not sure what my voting intentions have to do with the posting of misinformation. I didn't even look at the headlines or links, really, I just saw Buffalo Chronicle which has crossed my radar before: https://thebigstorypodcast.ca/2019/0...alo-chronicle/

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    Friendly reminder: Trump's first National Security Advisor plead guilty to being an unregistered agent for Turkey & is currently awaiting sentencing...
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    ^ wasn't he hand picked by Trump and he only hired 'the best people, only the best' He had also the honor of a paid speaking tour in Moscow and was a guest at Putin's table...

    Wasn't Trump's campaign manager also very involved in Ukraine and getting paid way more money than Hunter Biden?

    Remind me, how many years is he serving in prison?


    Is Trump's personal attorney in the same prison or somewhere else? You know, for lying to the FBI about the payments to a porn star that Trump said he knew nothing about but his name was on the cheque...

    Funny how two crooks were involved but only one was charged...
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Even sadder are the saps who support this uberjerk.
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    Very interesting that Putin spoke out about Trump a week back. Sent a message.

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    Report: Ukraine 'Whistleblower' Had 'Professional Relationship' with 2020 Democrat

    Excerpt:

    “As Breitbart News reported, Hunter Biden’s investment firm secured a $1.5 billion investment deal with the Bank of China after traveling with his father on Air Force Two to the country in 2013. In regard to Ukraine, Hunter Biden was paid $83,000 per month as a board member of the gas giant Burisma Holdings, despite having little-to-no expertise in the energy sector. The vice president forced out former Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin as he was investigating Burisma Holdings and even bragged about threatening to withhold $1 billion in aid to Ukraine unless he was fired.“

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elect...2020-democrat/




    I went to copy a couple comments to excerpt below but the comment about the document being done in sharpie suddenly disappeared. Says it was deleted. Fox News censorship? No sense of humour?


    Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump phone call | Fox News

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-s...ctual-timeline
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    It's obvious that these people are moles, and not "whistleblowers".

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    I've said it many times, and I'll say it again, Trump doesn't get nearly enough acknowledgment for not starting, prolonging, or getting dragged into pointless wars like the last two presidents:


    Fighting between various groups that has been going on for hundreds of years. USA should never have been in Middle East. Moved our 50 soldiers out. Turkey MUST take over captured ISIS fighters that Europe refused to have returned. The stupid endless wars, for us, are ending!
    - President Trump

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...471333381?s=19

    The way that most of the Democrats seem to be acting like a bunch of old Bush Republican war hawks should have everyone concerned.

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    Which wars did Obama drag the United States? Most of them were US-allied victories and part of the war on terror.

    MrOilers, please tell us which of these wars should the United States (or Canada as applicable) should NOT have been involved in?


    Operation Ocean Shield (2009–2016) NATO and allies against Somali Pirates Result US-allied victory
    International intervention in Libya (2011) NATO and allies including Canada to overthrow the Gaddafi government Result US-allied victory

    Started under Obama and carried on by Trump
    Operation Observant Compass (2011–2017) US and African allies against Ugandan insurgents Result US-allied victory
    American-led intervention in Iraq (2014–present) US and allies including Canada against Islamic State of Iraq and Syria Result US-allied victory
    American-led intervention in Syria (2014–present) US and allies including Canada against ISIS Ongoing
    Yemeni Civil War (2015–present) US and allies (limited US involvement) against Iranian backed terrorist forces Ongoing
    American intervention in Libya (2015–present) United States and Libya against Islamic State in Libya Ongoing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    It's obvious that these people are moles, and not "whistleblowers".
    How so? Please provide evidence to support your personal opinion.
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    MrOilers, Donald Trump gave a green light to Turkey and within days, a new war was started against US Allies, the Kurdish fighters that did much of the killing and dying against the Islamic State and ISIS. Reports are that civilian areas were bombed and attacked today.

    Turkey launches military operation in northern Syria
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-syria-erdogan
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    Yes, he's only started trade wars with China, nuclear wars with Iran... send support to the saudis for their war against yemen (and later Iran)... such a peaceful loving guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    It's obvious that these people are moles, and not "whistleblowers".
    How so? Please provide evidence to support your personal opinion.

    Anyone that dare says anything against dictator-in-chief is a mole, and should be taken care of like Putin does to his adversaries
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    It's obvious that these people are moles, and not "whistleblowers".
    How so? Please provide evidence to support your personal opinion.
    KC posted the evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Yes, he's only started trade wars with China, nuclear wars with Iran... send support to the saudis for their war against yemen (and later Iran)... such a peaceful loving guy.
    There's a nuclear war with Iran?

    LOL

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    LOL...

    Yes, Iran is building nukes.... what happens next is anyones guess.
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    Of course MrOilers thinks anyone who tells of wrongdoing in the whitehouse as a mole, and probably believes the president and whitehouse are above the law and can do what ever they want, without legal ramifications .
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    I think attempting to remove people from office without an election is a hell of a lot more serious than anti-Trumpers will admit. I thought the exact same thing while Bill Clinton's impeachment was happening as well.

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    Bill Clinton said he didn't have sexual relations with an intern because he didn't believe a blow job was sexual relations...... Trump is actively abusing his powers to get other countries to interfere with the upcoming 2020 elections, among all the fraud and multitude of other things he's under investigation for...

    and... more whistleblowers are still coming out.
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    "more whistleblowers" LOL

    Lots of people all making the same dubious claim doesn't give more credibility to that dubious claim.

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    Funny, only those that support Trump to all ends and can't find a single fault with him or anything he has done are calling them dubious claim(s)... and calling whistleblowers 'moles' (as if this Trump was a mob-boss or something... hey you might be on to something actually)
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    How Trump’s Tariffs Are Creating Jobs — for Canadians

    A tariff loophole lets companies ship small boxes across the border duty free. So the huge shipments are now heading to warehouses in Canadian and Mexican border towns, instead of the U.S.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/h...-for-canadians
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I think attempting to remove people from office without an election is a hell of a lot more serious than anti-Trumpers will admit. I thought the exact same thing while Bill Clinton's impeachment was happening as well.
    It's so serious that the impeachment process is enshrined in their Constitution, which Trump swore to uphold & now says doesn't apply to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Bill Clinton said he didn't have sexual relations with an intern because he didn't believe a blow job was sexual relations...... Trump is actively abusing his powers to get other countries to interfere with the upcoming 2020 elections, among all the fraud and multitude of other things he's under investigation for...

    and... more whistleblowers are still coming out.
    Also, what Clinton did was consensual. Trump is on tape bragging about sexual assault.

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    Trump responds to Turkey attack on Kurds.

    This morning, Turkey, a NATO member, invaded Syria. The United States does not endorse this attack and has made it clear to Turkey that this operation is a bad idea. There are no American soldiers in the area. From the first day I entered the political arena, I made it clear that I did not want to fight these endless, senseless wars—especially those that don’t benefit the United States. Turkey has committed to protecting civilians, protecting religious minorities, including Christians, and ensuring no humanitarian crisis takes place—and we will hold them to this commitment. In addition, Turkey is now responsible for ensuring all ISIS fighters being held captive remain in prison and that ISIS does not reconstitute in any way, shape, or form. We expect Turkey to abide by all of its commitments, and we continue to monitor the situation closely.

    https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...ntl/index.html
    And what is the result?



    "They have effectively stopped," the source said of the US campaign against the militant group.
    According to the source, Turkey is targeting the US-backed Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) — a key US ally in the war against ISIS. Just hours after Turkey launched its offensive, the SDF said that they had suspended their anti-ISIS operations in order to deal with the attack.

    https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...ntl/index.html
    And in regards to Trump's claim that "Turkey is now responsible for ensuring all ISIS fighters being held captive remain in prison and that ISIS does not reconstitute in any way, shape, or form."

    "In terms of the ISIS fighters … held in prisons, which are closer to our border, of course initially our priority is to provide security and stability in the areas we move into," Erdogan's senior adviser Gülnur Aybet said. "We will safeguard any areas that contain these prisons. However, we would like the management of the camps, in particular, something that has to be undertaken as a joint effort with the international community."


    We never said we would shoulder this burden all by ourselves," Aybet added.

    https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-...ntl/index.html
    So, once again, reality is pointed about 180 degrees from what Trump says it is.

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    CBS publishes the whistleblower report

    Read the whistleblower's memo about Trump's Ukraine call, as described to CBS News

    The president's call with Zelensky was held on the morning of July 25. The whistleblower wrote the memo the next day after speaking with the official in the afternoon. The whistleblower wrote that he or she spoke with the White House official for "a few minutes," and summarized their conversation.


    According to the memo, the White House official described the contents of the call as "crazy," "frightening" and "completely lacking in substance related to national security."


    The whistleblower said the official was "visibly shaken by what had transpired and seemed keen to inform a trusted colleague within the U.S. national security apparatus about the call."


    The whistleblower's summary of the White House official's account of the call largely comports with the call record released by the White House, though some details are missing.


    The full text of the memo, as described to CBS News:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-whi...ews-exclusive/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I think attempting to remove people from office without an election is a hell of a lot more serious than anti-Trumpers will admit. I thought the exact same thing while Bill Clinton's impeachment was happening as well.
    So a President is above the law and his Constitutional Oath of Office?

    You would let a criminal like Nixon continue in office and even run again using the any dirty tricks and possibly steal an election simply because a President uses his ingrained respect of his office to make outright lies, hides evidence, uses foreign assistance, bribes officials, uses the Justice Department and even the military for his own purposes? The Framers of the Constitution had just fought for independence from the tyranny of King George III and created a Republic with three co-equal branches of government and impeachment rules to prevent a President with corrupt and criminal intent to flaunt the Law and Constitution.

    You obviously know nothing about the creation of the US Constitution and how it is the model of the Constitution for many other countries.
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    The US Constitution starts "We, The People" not "Me, The President".
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    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...call-almost-c/
    What we found is Trump’s wrong: The whistleblower got just about everything right.
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    Impeachment

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    Well, that explains it.

    Republican anger grows as Trump disavows Kurds by saying they didn't help during WWII

    On Sunday, after Trump's phone call with Erdogan, the White House said US troops would move out the way and would not support or be involved in the operation. Trump downplayed Turkey's move in comments to reporters at the White House Wednesday.


    He shrugged off the likely escape of ISIS fighters from Kurdish prisons, essentially saying it is Europe's problem, not his. "Well, they're going to be escaping to Europe, that's where they want to go," Trump said. He added that "we have no soldiers in the area."


    Trump downplayed the alliance with the Kurds, 11,000 of whom died fighting to help the US mission against ISIS. "They didn't help us in the second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy for example," Trump said. "They're there to help us with their land, and that's a different thing."

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/polit...ons/index.html

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    Another possible illegal act by Trump to free Turkish gold trader who laundered money to get past Iranian sanctions.

    Note the list of characters including Trump, Tillerson, Flynn, Giuliani and others.

    Trump Urged Top Aide to Help Giuliani Client Facing DOJ Charges
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ng-doj-charges
    President Donald Trump pressed then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to help persuade the Justice Department to drop a criminal case against an Iranian-Turkish gold trader who was a client of Rudy Giuliani, according to three people familiar with the 2017 meeting in the Oval Office.

    Tillerson refused, arguing it would constitute interference in an ongoing investigation of the trader, Reza Zarrab, according to the people. They said other participants in the Oval Office were shocked by the request.

    Tillerson immediately repeated his objections to then-Chief of Staff John Kelly in a hallway conversation just outside the Oval Office, emphasizing that the request would be illegal. Neither episode has been previously reported, and all of the people spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the conversations.

    The White House declined to comment. Kelly and Tillerson declined to comment via representatives. Another person familiar with the matter said the Justice Department never considered dropping the criminal case.

    Zarrab was being prosecuted in federal court in New York at the time on charges of evading U.S. sanctions against Iran’s nuclear program. He had hired former Attorney General Michael Mukasey and Giuliani, who has said he reached out repeatedly to U.S. officials to seek a diplomatic solution for his client outside the courts.

    The president’s request to Tillerson -- which included asking him to speak with Giuliani -- bears the hallmarks of Trump’s governing style, defined by his willingness to sweep aside the customary procedures and constraints of government to pursue matters outside normal channels. Tillerson’s objection came to light as Trump’s dealings with foreign leaders face intense scrutiny following the July 25 call with Ukraine’s president that has sparked an impeachment inquiry in the House.

    The episode is also likely to fuel long-standing concerns from some of Trump’s critics about his policies toward Turkey and his relationship with its authoritarian president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Zarrab’s release was a high priority for Erdogan until the gold trader agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in New York.
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    Today, during a WH conference, Trump wished Shinzō Abe a very happy birthday. Not once but twice today.

    The only problem, today is October 10th and Abe was born 21 September 1954. Trump is 3 weeks late unless he forgot it is a leap year, the Japanese use a metric calendar or that Japan is on the other side of the International Birthdate Line. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Well, that explains it.

    Republican anger grows as Trump disavows Kurds by saying they didn't help during WWII

    On Sunday, after Trump's phone call with Erdogan, the White House said US troops would move out the way and would not support or be involved in the operation. Trump downplayed Turkey's move in comments to reporters at the White House Wednesday.


    He shrugged off the likely escape of ISIS fighters from Kurdish prisons, essentially saying it is Europe's problem, not his. "Well, they're going to be escaping to Europe, that's where they want to go," Trump said. He added that "we have no soldiers in the area."


    Trump downplayed the alliance with the Kurds, 11,000 of whom died fighting to help the US mission against ISIS. "They didn't help us in the second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy for example," Trump said. "They're there to help us with their land, and that's a different thing."

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/polit...ons/index.html
    Capt. Bonespurs will tell us the Kurds didn’t defend our airports during Revolutionary War��

    I mean, where were the Kurds when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

    Trump did acknowledge that the Kurds did fight beside US forces in the Battle of Bowling Green.

    Also, the Kurds fought bravely with President Trump when he went into the battle that was memorialized as The River of Blood at Trump's golf course in Lowes Island, Virginia. The actual casualties were Truth, Justice and Historical Facts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...ood_(monument)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Green_massacre
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I think attempting to remove people from office without an election is a hell of a lot more serious than anti-Trumpers will admit. I thought the exact same thing while Bill Clinton's impeachment was happening as well.
    So a President is above the law and his Constitutional Oath of Office?
    Of course not.

    Don't be ridiculous.

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    It’s too bad they couldn’t just call an election now instead of having to wait a year for it.

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    The last thing Trump & the Republicans want is an election. Once Trump is out of office he'll be slapped with unpardonable crimes & he'll bring plenty of people down as he attempts to shift blame & responsibility for his own actions onto anyone even remotely connected.

    Individual One needs to stay in the Oval Office as long as he can. He's trapped in a job he's terrible at & never really wanted because that's all that's keeping the house of cards that is his sham of a life protected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I think attempting to remove people from office without an election is a hell of a lot more serious than anti-Trumpers will admit. I thought the exact same thing while Bill Clinton's impeachment was happening as well.
    So a President is above the law and his Constitutional Oath of Office?
    Of course not.

    Don't be ridiculous.
    It’s always been, and always will be, that every President wants to be King. And so, it’s just a matter of time until they get a President that attempts it. Moreover, their founding fathers anticipated it but had to codify the preventative measures for all to see. So they couldn’t anticipate every possible means of attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    It’s always been, and always will be, that every President wants to be King.
    Citation needed.

    Do you really think Jimmy Carter wanted to be King?
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    Finally figured out what GOP stands for
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    Gaslight
    Obstruct
    Project
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    It’s always been, and always will be, that every President wants to be King.
    Citation needed.

    Do you really think Jimmy Carter wanted to be King?
    Maybe not continuously but it’s certainly likely that they’ve all had moments where they wished they had all powerful dictatorial powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Maybe not continuously but it’s certainly likely that they’ve all had moments where they wished they had all powerful dictatorial powers.
    Proof of your assertion, beyond the projection of your own psyche onto the motivations of others?
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    I think attempting to remove people from office without an election is a hell of a lot more serious than anti-Trumpers will admit. I thought the exact same thing while Bill Clinton's impeachment was happening as well.
    So a President is above the law and his Constitutional Oath of Office?
    Of course not.

    Don't be ridiculous.
    Well then the investigation of impeachment is totally legal and ethical for Congress to act upon.

    The President ( nor anyone charged with a crime) has no right as the subject of the investigation to impede Congress, threaten witnesses, the Whistleblower nor members of his own party including GOP Senators who are the jurors; to protect him.
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    News

    Two Ukraine clients of Rudy Giuliani have been arrested for illegally contributing hundreds of thousands of dollars to a Super Pac that supported Trump's campaign.

    Maybe Trump should begin an investigation of Rudy Giuliani and what he did in Ukraine.

    Looks like another of Trump's lawyers will end up in jail.
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    I'd have thought any lawyer with any nous at all wouldn't touch Trump with a ten-foot pole. Maybe I underestimate the greed, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I think attempting to remove people from office without an election is a hell of a lot more serious than anti-Trumpers will admit. I thought the exact same thing while Bill Clinton's impeachment was happening as well.
    So a President is above the law and his Constitutional Oath of Office?
    Of course not.

    Don't be ridiculous.
    Well then the investigation of impeachment is totally legal and ethical for Congress to act upon.

    The President ( nor anyone charged with a crime) has no right as the subject of the investigation to impede Congress, threaten witnesses, the Whistleblower nor members of his own party including GOP Senators who are the jurors; to protect him.
    There it is - "investigation" of impeachment.

    The Democrat party "investigating" Trump is a political tactic. Just like perpetuating the Russian collusion hoax was. Preach loudly that Trump is guilty of something, then "investigate" what they think the crime might be, and hope that the "trial by media" harms his popularity. That's obviously what they're doing.

    If the Democrats were actually serious about impeachment they would bring it right to a vote in Congress instead of trying to "investigate" (in secret, by the way) to draw it out longer like they are attempting now. It's just such an obvious political game.

    Which they are totally entitled to do, but don't pretend for a second that this is about "justice". Also, don't get disappointed when nothing comes of it (just like the Mueller investigation) and President Trump waltzes backwards straight into a second term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    News

    Two Ukraine clients of Rudy Giuliani have been arrested for illegally contributing hundreds of thousands of dollars to a Super Pac that supported Trump's campaign.

    Maybe Trump should begin an investigation of Rudy Giuliani and what he did in Ukraine.

    Looks like another of Trump's lawyers will end up in jail.
    Perhaps not just his lawyer.

    I'll give you a hint. Who said "I love it" when offered dirt on Clinton by Russians?


    REVEALED: Photo shows Rudy Giuliani’s indicted Ukraine henchmen dining with Don Jr



    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/rev...g-with-don-jr/

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    "Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime."
    - Lavrentiy Beria


    Socialists are so disgusting.

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    Gee, I can't imagine why the Democrats aren't sharing every minor detail of the ongoing investigation with the Republicans who've clearly put party ahead of country & will happily gargle his tumescent orange mushroom just like you, MrOilers.

    Hmmmm. It's a real thinker...
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    They are keeping it secret from the public, too, dummy. That's what "in secret" means.

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    I can't be the only one entertained by the way Trump has somehow forced the Democrats and mainstream media into supporting US involvement in endless overseas wars.

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    Sharing with the public would mean sharing with the Republicans, superdummy.

    If they need to get their ducks in a row out of sight I have zero issues with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I can't be the only one entertained by the way Trump has somehow forced the Democrats and mainstream media into supporting US involvement in endless overseas wars.
    Complaining about Trump destabilizing the region & betraying US allies for personal gain is not "supporting US involvement in endless overseas wars".
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    Are the Democrats' selective leaks to the media part of keeping the process legitimate and "out of sight" as well?

    Or am i correct in saying that is merely more evidence that suggests it's a political ploy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I can't be the only one entertained by the way Trump has somehow forced the Democrats and mainstream media into supporting US involvement in endless overseas wars.
    Complaining about Trump destabilizing the region & betraying US allies for personal gain is not "supporting US involvement in endless overseas wars".
    Spin it however you like.

    Everyone on the left championed Obama for withdrawing troops from that area (which I agreed, too).

    But you are blinded by your hatred of Trump so much, that you are now defending and rationalizing the US being "world police" just like when Dubya first sent troops over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I can't be the only one entertained by the way Trump has somehow forced the Democrats and mainstream media into supporting US involvement in endless overseas wars.
    Complaining about Trump destabilizing the region & betraying US allies for personal gain is not "supporting US involvement in endless overseas wars".
    The nuance between "endless overseas wars", and not abandoning your allies is apparently too much for him. It's easy to make anything sound dumb when you make sweeping statements that ignore all context and details. It's kind of his specialty. So is Trumps coincidentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Are the Democrats' selective leaks to the media part of keeping the process legitimate and "out of sight" as well?

    Or am i correct in saying that is merely more evidence that suggests it's a political ploy?
    Nice conspiracies. How do you feel about the recent arrests, just a plot by the DeEp STatE to discredit Trumps administration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    you are now defending and rationalizing the US being "world police" just like when Dubya first sent troops over there.
    Uh, I am doing no such thing.

    I think it's reprehensible that the US has been warmongering in the region for the last 70 years, but throwing your allies under the bus & being complicit in the ethnic cleansing targeting them is even worse. To spin it as a net positive is ghoulish at best.

    The Americans need to get out of the Middle East, just not on a bridge made from the bones of their allies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Nice conspiracies. How do you feel about the recent arrests, just a plot by the DeEp STatE to discredit Trumps administration?
    Not bipartisan? It's them evil Demonrats!
    Bipartisan? Then it's the DEEEEEEP STATE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Are the Democrats' selective leaks to the media part of keeping the process legitimate and "out of sight" as well?

    Or am i correct in saying that is merely more evidence that suggests it's a political ploy?
    Nice conspiracies. How do you feel about the recent arrests, just a plot by the DeEp STatE to discredit Trumps administration?
    What arrests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Are the Democrats' selective leaks to the media part of keeping the process legitimate and "out of sight" as well?
    Which leaks are you talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Or am i correct in saying that is merely more evidence that suggests it's a political ploy?
    When is impeachment not political? How can an entirely political procedure not be inherently political? Attempt to frame it as a "ploy" seems to disregard the mountain of evidence that Trump has committed numerous impeachable offenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Attempt to frame it as a "ploy" seems to disregard the mountain of evidence that Trump has committed numerous impeachable offenses.
    if he did, Congress would've voted on the floor in support of an impeachment inquiry. But they did not.

    That's why instead today we have a few Democrats and an ex-CIA mole (calling himself a "whistleblower" - LOL) are attempting the nonsense, leaking select story bites to the media to try and manufacture controversy. But the whole impeachment inquiry is deflating just as fast as they can pump it up.

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    “ ex-CIA mole (calling himself a "whistleblower" - LOL) ”

    interesting description. Can you explain your choice of: labels / words / definitions / spin ?



    Former CIA whistleblower blasts media, dismisses unnamed official who flagged Trump-Ukraine call | Fox News


    “"I don't think this is a whistleblower -- not at all," he said.

    "I think this is an anonymous source for the Democratic staff in the House of Representatives." ...”



    “Kiriakou also told Carlson that during his whistleblowing period, some in the media initially refused to call him a "whistleblower," claiming one network referred to him as a "CIA leaker."

    "It's tough being a whistleblower," he said.

    "Political lines are drawn. We see the Democrats trying to do the same thing right now with this whistleblower."

    He claimed the media is "imposing upon" the public the notion that the individual is a true whistleblower.



    https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-...akou-cia-media
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    at the airport....


    Two Giuliani associates linked to Ukraine investigations indicted on campaign finance charges | Fox News

    “Giuliani, an attorney for President Trump, said he finds it "extremely suspicious" that the arrest was made in connection with an FEC matter that has yet to be resolved, and which Giuliani said is a civil matter. Giuliani acknowledged that both men "logistically helped" in his collection of evidence against Hunter Biden, and that they helped connect him with former Ukrainian top prosecutors Viktor Shokin and Yuriy Lutsenko.
    ...”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giu...inance-charges

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    Yeah those ones:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188

    Two Soviet-born donors to a pro- Trump fundraising committee who helped Rudy Giuliani’s efforts to investigate Democrat Joe Biden were arrested late Wednesday on criminal charges stemming from their alleged efforts to funnel foreign money into U.S. elections and influence U.S. politics on behalf of at least one Ukrainian politician.
    Their political giving—aimed at Republicans—was funded in part by an unnamed Russian donor, the indictment alleges. Federal law bans foreigners from contributing to U.S. elections. A limited liability company created by the men was used to disguise the source of some of the money, the indictment says.The men were charged with four counts, including conspiracy, falsification of records and lying to the Federal Election Commission about their political donations, according to the indictment. Messrs. Parnas and Fruman assisted Mr. Giuliani’s effort to investigate Mr. Biden’s son that is now at the center of an impeachment inquiry being conducted by House Democrats.
    Mr. Giuliani, President Trump’s private lawyer, identified the two men in May as his clients. On Thursday, he said he wasn’t representing them in this case.

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    at the airport, a couple hours after having dinner with Giuiani...
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    The two Ukrainians charged not only have links to Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump Jr. but there are also pictures of Donald Trump with the accused.

    Drain the Swamp! What a joke. Trump turned the swamp into a cesspool.

    Lock him up! LOCK HIM UP!

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    People who break campaign finance violation laws should be arrested and charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    “ ex-CIA mole (calling himself a "whistleblower" - LOL) ”

    interesting description. Can you explain your choice of: labels / words / definitions / spin ?



    Former CIA whistleblower blasts media, dismisses unnamed official who flagged Trump-Ukraine call | Fox News


    “"I don't think this is a whistleblower -- not at all," he said.

    "I think this is an anonymous source for the Democratic staff in the House of Representatives." ...”



    “Kiriakou also told Carlson that during his whistleblowing period, some in the media initially refused to call him a "whistleblower," claiming one network referred to him as a "CIA leaker."

    "It's tough being a whistleblower," he said.

    "Political lines are drawn. We see the Democrats trying to do the same thing right now with this whistleblower."

    He claimed the media is "imposing upon" the public the notion that the individual is a true whistleblower.



    https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-...akou-cia-media
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    The New York Times said he is a CIA officer.

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-...-a-cia-officer

    That's not the definition of a "whistleblower" - that's a spy, or a mole.

    And of course he's going to deny it - if you expect a spy to come clean on a news interview, you're nuts.

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    I believe that Rudy Giuliani is the Grand Poobah of the Deep State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    “ ex-CIA mole (calling himself a "whistleblower" - LOL) ”

    interesting description. Can you explain your choice of: labels / words / definitions / spin ?



    Former CIA whistleblower blasts media, dismisses unnamed official who flagged Trump-Ukraine call | Fox News


    “"I don't think this is a whistleblower -- not at all," he said.

    "I think this is an anonymous source for the Democratic staff in the House of Representatives." ...”



    “Kiriakou also told Carlson that during his whistleblowing period, some in the media initially refused to call him a "whistleblower," claiming one network referred to him as a "CIA leaker."

    "It's tough being a whistleblower," he said.

    "Political lines are drawn. We see the Democrats trying to do the same thing right now with this whistleblower."

    He claimed the media is "imposing upon" the public the notion that the individual is a true whistleblower.



    https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-...akou-cia-media
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    The New York Times said he is a CIA officer.

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-...-a-cia-officer

    That's not the definition of a "whistleblower" - that's a spy, or a mole.

    And of course he's going to deny it - if you expect a spy to come clean on a news interview, you're nuts.
    So CIA employees can’t be whistleblowers? So what is the appropriate career criteria used for whistleblower status?

    Edward Snowden was a CIA or NSA employee/contractor and I think he’s broadly recognized/labelled as a whistleblower. And he didn’t even go through the approved whistleblower bureaucracy to release the information he accessed. (And I’m not certain but I think that info was essentially second hand to him.)




    Understanding "whistleblower" - English Language & Usage Stack Exchange

    https://english.stackexchange.com/qu...-whistleblower



    Wikileaks should be an authority on what makes a whistleblower and here they give credence to anonymous leakers:


    Paul Kaihla & anonymous whistleblowers - WikiLeaks

    Paul Kaihla & anonymous whistleblowers


    Exposing bungled investigations by Mounties.
    Kaihla published an article in MacLean’s magazine exposing a bungled RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) investigation into international drug trafficking, including claims from several anonymous whistleblowers. The RCMP conducted a far-reaching behind-the-scenes investigation of how Kaihla gathered his facts, interrogating several people believed to be his anonymous sources. Kaihla continued to receive intimidation from the RCMP.

    https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Paul_Kaih...whistleblowers

    Five myths about whistleblowers - The Washington Post

    Five myths about whistleblowers
    They’re not the same as “leakers” — and they don’t always go to the press.



    By Dana Gold

     Dana Gold is senior counsel and director of education for the Government Accountability Project, a non-profit law organization that promotes government and corporate accountability through litigating whistleblower cases, publicizing whistleblowers’ disclosures and developing legal reforms.
    April 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM EDT




    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...96e_story.html


    Anonymous group creates whistleblower sites
    Sites offer place for people to expose government and corporate wrongdoing and for hackers to release stolen data.
    Elinor Mills mugshot
    BY
    ELINOR MILLS
    JULY 1, 2011 5:43 PM PDT

    https://www.cnet.com/news/anonymous-...eblower-sites/


    List of whistleblowers - Wikipedia

    “Former NSA analyst who revealed the existence of the NSA and its worldwide covert surveillance network in Ramparts magazine in 1971.[15] At the time, the NSA was an ultra secretive scarcely known organization. Because of the Fellwock revelations, the U.S. Senate Church Committee introduced successful legislation to stop NSA spying on American citizens.
    Fellwock was motivated by Daniel Ellsberg's release of the Pentagon Papers.[16][17]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_whistleblowers
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    I thought the rule was; "If you see something, tell someone."

    Not, "If you see something, hide all the evidence in a super secret server."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    I thought the rule was; "If you see something, tell someone."

    Not, "If you see something, hide all the evidence in a super secret server."
    That depends on the creatures of the swamp. The bigger the swamp creature the deeper into the primordial muck the secrets must to go.

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    When it Ukraines, it pours:
    Ex-top Trump Russia aide to testify about 'shadow policy' on Ukraine

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...liani-n1064846
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    When it Ukraines, it pours:
    Ex-top Trump Russia aide to testify about 'shadow policy' on Ukraine

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...liani-n1064846
    Another backchannel? More on the deep state in the swamp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    People who break campaign finance violation laws should be arrested and charged.
    Amazing all the Russian and Ukrainian connections that keep coming to light.

    MrOilers, you’ve said you even have such connections haven’t you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    People who break campaign finance violation laws should be arrested and charged.
    You mean like Michael Cohen and Donald Trump who both conspired to pay off porn stars?

    One went to jail and the other did not. Strange.

    What about Trump's asking for help from Russia, Ukraine and China?

    Should he not get arrested and charged?

    Or is he special?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    When it Ukraines, it pours:
    Ex-top Trump Russia aide to testify about 'shadow policy' on Ukraine

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...liani-n1064846
    Another backchannel? More on the deep state in the swamp?

    Trump can't let Hill testify. No one in his regime should have free speech. That is not a right under Trump's Constitutional addendum.
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    Yeah, Trump does not know these guys.

    Ya, anyone can just walk into the White House and Mar a Lago and talk with the President and get their photos taken with him. Even getting their names on dinner invitations.



    Parnas, Fruman, Giuliani and Trump are pictured together in an undated image published by the Miami Herald. Vice President Mike Pence was also pictured with the four of them at the event.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...429?ri18n=true






    Parnas posted about a trip to the White House to meet President Trump on his Facebook account.
    https://www.vox.com/2019/10/10/20907...liani-arrested


    For Ukraine help, Giuliani turned to unlikely Florida fixers


    This Facebook screen shot provided by The Campaign Legal Center, shows from left, Donald Trump, Jr., Tommy Hicks, Jr., Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, posted on May 21, 2018.

    The pair used wire transfers from a company they controlled to make a $325,000 donation to a Trump-allied political action committee in 2018. That was on top of $100,000 in earlier donations to Trump and GOP candidates that helped the relatively unknown entrepreneurs quickly gain access to the highest levels of the Republican Party — including face-to-face meetings with the president at the White House and Mar-a-
    Lago.
    Parnas and Fruman are also alleged to have touted their ties to Giuliani to drum up business overseas.


    Ukrainian billionaire Ihor Kolomoyskyi said in an interview in May with the Ukrainian news site Strana.ua that Parnas and Fruman were "under investigation in the U.S." He said that the two "go around Ukraine and collect money from people, flaunting their friendship with Giuliani" and then-Prosecutor General Lutsenko.


    Following publication of the interview, Giuliani tweeted that Kolomoisky was "super dangerous," citing an unnamed American analyst. Giuliani said that the "notorious oligarch" had "immediately threatened and defamed two Americans, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman."


    "They are my clients and I have advised them to press charges," Giuliani tweeted.


    Fruman and Parnas sued Kolomoyskyi for defamation in Ukraine in July this year.
    both https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...ixers-65912245

    That oligarch, Ihor Kolomoisky, claims they urged him to help arrange a meeting between Giuliani and Zelensky — and that he didn’t agree. He described Parnas and Fruman to Ukrainian media as “two clowns” who were “milking the bull,” working with Giuliani in “a clear conspiracy against Biden.” Giuliani soon sent an angry tweet about this.
    https://www.vox.com/2019/10/10/20907...liani-arrested



    Florida businessmen with Giuliani ties won’t comply with impeachment inquiry

    Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two South Florida businessmen associated with Rudy Giuliani, will not respond to a Monday deadline for documents.

    Over the weekend, a third person from South Florida became part of the widening Ukraine scandal. The Associated Press reported from Kiev that oil magnate Harry Sargeant III, who resides in Boca Raton and is a big GOP donor, does business with Fruman and Parnas. Sargeant joined the two in working on a plan to push out the CEO of a Ukrainian energy firm Naftogaz and replace him with another senior executive expected to be friendly to their desire to win contracts.

    Sargeant boasted, the AP story said, that he regularly meets with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and had his support.
    https://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...hment-inquiry/

    And who is Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman's lawyer? None other than another of Trump's former lawyer, John Dowd







    Giuliani associates linked to Trump-Ukraine probe arrested for campaign finance offenses

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=qmVIN7yRQlY

    https://www.france24.com/en/20191011...-ukraine-probe
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    Igor, Lev, Rudy and the Don

    Almost good enough for a movie script

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Igor, Lev, Rudy and the Don

    Almost good enough for a movie script
    Yup

    Good Fellas Part I



    Xорошие Pебята Part II (Russian Version) Xороші Xлопці Part II (Ukrainian Subtitles)




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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    MrOilers, you’ve said you even have such connections haven’t you?
    I have to admit, the the exchange rate on rubles to C$ ever since the Liberals have been in charge has been pretty good.

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    MrOilers can't handle the TRUTH!
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    The truth is those two indictments for the campaign fincance violations go back a number of years, and are unrelated to this "whistleblower" claim and unrelated to Trump's Ukraine call. Lock them up. Who cares? This is independent of any of this go-nowhere impeachment nonsense that is deflating air by the day.

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    Turn off the news for a minute and look at the indictment itself.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Indictment.pdf


    It does not mention Guiliani, nor the Ukraine call. And despite what journalists are telling us, and how they are playing up these arrests, it's completely unrelated to Trump. The primary proof is right here.

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    So you are saying that Giuliani has nothing to do with this????????


    BRAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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