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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    A staffer thinks they believe that might have maybe overheard an important phone call while they were in a restaurant.

    That's not evidence.
    Seriously..LOL..
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
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    No they heard him on the cellphone and when asked, Sondland confirmed the call.

    That is firsthand knowledge.
    And another.


    AP source: 2nd US official heard Trump call with Sondland


    WASHINGTON (AP) — A second U.S. Embassy staffer in Kyiv overheard a key cellphone call between President Donald Trump and his ambassador to the European Union discussing the need for Ukrainian officials to pursue “investigations,” The Associated Press has learned.


    The July 26 call between Trump and Gordon Sondland was first described during testimony Wednesday by William B. Taylor Jr., the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. Taylor said one of his staffers overhead the call while Sondland was in a restaurant the day after Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that triggered the House impeachment inquiry.

    https://apnews.com/6d318542e50b45dc9...source=Twitter

    They have no evidence, so they come up with even more hearsay to bolster this weak case.

    LOL

    I knew the Democrats would shoot themselves in the face with this latest "foreign collusion" conspiracy theory they came up with, but this time around they've even amazed me with how quickly they've done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Peter Welch trumps Jim Jordan



    Trump should have to testify. I'd pay to watch that. Would get the best TV ratings he's ever got. Seriously folks, the best.
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    To avoid these traps in the future, Trump should just do all his communications through his own private email server.

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    he already does.
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    Does he? Good. Ever since Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, the FBI said it's OK.

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    quite obviously you are just playing coy again... so you can whataboutism... oh look at that. Whataboutism


    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Does he? Good. Ever since Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, the FBI said it's OK.
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    Hello Lady and MrOilers are trapped and they can only play the Trump card of falsely claiming that others are worse, the President knows nothing and therefore totally innocent when in truth, the facts are well known with more than a enough witnesses with written evidence of emails, notes and testimony while all the bad actors are telling the Congressional investigation committee to screw off and do not supply any contrary evidence, no documents and no testimony.

    If Trump and his henchmen are so innocent, they would be eager to testify their side of the story and would not have had WH lawyers put the evidence on super secure servers. Then they create a massive distraction to deflect the truth. BTW, just what was Rudy doing in Ukraine?

    Meanwhile, when are we going to see the full transcripts of the 'perfect' phone call rather than the abridged version?

    I would love to watch Trump doing a 9 hour Q&A like Hillary did. She came out mostly unscathed as the Republicans proved they had little evidence in the 8 separate Behngazi investigations.

    Trump would implode within the first hour of testimony.
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    Hence why Republicans refuse to let him testify directly under the guise of it being a "perjury trap".
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    There is no perjury trap if you are honest, factual and have not done anything wrong.

    3 strikes against Trump...

    Meanwhile he claims to be the most transparent President ever...

    He is the first President to prevent anyone from seeing the WH visitor logs.
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    All second-hand info? Not true at all.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/summary-lt-col-alexander-vindmans-deposition-testimony


    That call took place on July 25, and Vindman was one of a handful of staffers listening in from the White House Situation Room. Vindman was immediately concerned about the contents of the call, because of a number of issues he would reiterate throughout his testimony:

    I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications to the U.S. Government's support of Ukraine …. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play, which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security.
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    According to the Trumpism spin, that is a 3rd or 4th hand account.
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    "Religious freedom"

    Ohio GOP bill may bar teachers from penalizing students who give creationist answers on biology tests: ACLU

    As Patheos notes, the specific language of the bill states that teachers shall not “prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments” and “shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student’s work.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/ohi...gy-tests-aclu/

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    White House hopeful Elizabeth Warren baits billionaires - BBC News

    “ Mr Blankfein said he was surprised to have been featured in the ad, "given the many severe critics she has out there".
    "Vilification of people as a member of a group may be good for her campaign, not the country. Maybe tribalism is just in her DNA."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50424364

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    Trump does another favour for Kim.

    Trump hikes price tag for US forces in Korea almost 500% as Seoul questions alliance

    Secretary of Defense Mark Esper landed in South Korea on Thursday to navigate renewed threats from an "enraged" North Korea and newly heightened strain in the alliance with Seoul that congressional aides, lawmakers and Korea experts say has been caused by President Donald Trump.


    Trump is demanding that South Korea pay roughly 500% more in 2020 to cover the cost of keeping US troops on the peninsula, a congressional aide and an administration official confirmed to CNN.


    The price hike has frustrated Pentagon officials and deeply concerned Republican and Democratic lawmakers, according to military officials and congressional aides. It has angered and unnerved Seoul, where leaders are questioning US commitment to their alliance and wondering whether Trump will pull US forces if they don't pay up.


    "Nothing says I love you like a shakedown," said Vipin Narang, an associate professor at MIT who follows the Korean peninsula, summarizing South Korean uncertainty about the US.

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    North Korea has already launched 24 missiles this year, each a violation of UN resolutions, to match the country's previous annual record for firing off projectiles that threaten South Korea and Japan, according to Bruce Klingner, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation.


    Germany, France and the United Kingdom recently condemned Pyongyang for the launches, saying they undermined regional security and stability. Meanwhile, South Korean leaders are acutely aware that Trump has downplayed the launches, saying he is "not at all" troubled by them.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/polit...ike/index.html

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    It would be hard to imagine that Japan hasn’t long ago taken steps on its own to improve its defences. If not, the past couple years would be filling them with regret.


    US defence chief heads to Seoul to save security alliance to counter North Korea and China
    Mark Esper needs to convince South Korea to stick with intelligence-sharing pact known as GSOMIA despite rift with Japan
    An analyst says Moon would rather pay more for the US-Korea defence alliance than soften its stance towards Japan
    14 Nov, 2019

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/polit...liance-counter


    North Korea ‘most serious and pressing threat’ Japan faces: defence ministry report
    Annual report also outlines security concerns about China’s growing military might and Russia’s intent to rebuild its power that paint a picture of Japan surrounded by potential adversaries“
    Aug 2018
    https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/diplo...-faces-defence
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
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    No they heard him on the cellphone and when asked, Sondland confirmed the call.

    That is firsthand knowledge.
    And another.


    AP source: 2nd US official heard Trump call with Sondland


    WASHINGTON (AP) — A second U.S. Embassy staffer in Kyiv overheard a key cellphone call between President Donald Trump and his ambassador to the European Union discussing the need for Ukrainian officials to pursue “investigations,” The Associated Press has learned.


    The July 26 call between Trump and Gordon Sondland was first described during testimony Wednesday by William B. Taylor Jr., the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. Taylor said one of his staffers overhead the call while Sondland was in a restaurant the day after Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that triggered the House impeachment inquiry.

    https://apnews.com/6d318542e50b45dc9...source=Twitter

    They have no evidence, so they come up with even more hearsay to bolster this weak case.

    LOL

    I knew the Democrats would shoot themselves in the face with this latest "foreign collusion" conspiracy theory they came up with, but this time around they've even amazed me with how quickly they've done it.
    Apparently the Republicans asked that Hunter Biden be asked to testify. What would be the point of that? To ask him ic he‘d heard from Trump and can dispute the nature of Trump’s activities?

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    Sure, put Hunter Biden under oath. He is a lawyer and he probably could handle any questions from the Republicans without any problems. Maybe subpoena Joe Biden too.

    One condition though.

    If the Republicans want Hunter Biden to testify, then they must insist that Donald Trump Jr.,Eric Trump, Ivanka and Jared Kushner testify as well.
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    I'm trying to figure out of the is H.L. or MrNazi. Maybe both?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Trump does another favour for Kim.

    Yet another decision that is either idiotic, or designed to push SK towards Russia and/or China for it's security. We are watching the Western Alliance crumble before our eyes. It's incredible.

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    A clear conscience - Yes, Prime Minister - BBC comedy

    https://youtu.be/jNKjShmHw7s

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    "One of the greatest memories of all time.” — President Trump, Oct. 25, 2017


    Trump falls back on 'I don't recall' in response to bombshell testimony about Sondland call


    Taylor’s staffer could hear Trump asking Sondland about “the investigations,” and “Following the call with President Trump, the member of my staff asked Ambassador Sondland what President Trump thought about Ukraine. Ambassador Sondland responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for.”


    Gee, what a surprise that Trump would claim not to recall it. “I don't recall at all. Not even a little bit,” Trump told reporters, and “I don’t know a thing about that. First time I heard it.”

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-Sondland-call

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    Trump testimony

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    That's guilty! Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!

    Trump associate Roger Stone has been found guilty

    Longtime Trump associate Roger Stone was found guilty of lying to Congress and other charges in a case that has shed new light on President Donald Trump's anticipation of the release of stolen Democratic emails in 2016.


    Stone, a political provocateur, was found guilty of all seven counts brought by the Justice Department, a victory for special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. Stone was found guilty on five counts of lying to Congress, one of witness tampering, and one of obstructing a Congressional committee proceeding.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/15/polit...ict/index.html

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    That's guilty! Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!

    Total of 7 counts.

    Another one of Trump's close associates who he knew for decades, is going to prison after Trump denies that he hardly knows him.
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    Trump intimates witness is real time on Twitter while the former Ambassador to Ukraine is testifying in front of the Congressional Impeachment committee.


    Witness intimidation is illegal and not only affects the former Ambassador but all all those expected to testify or are considering to do so. One of the articles of Impeachment against Nixon was obstruction of justice.


    Yes, Trump is committing a crime in real time.
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    Roger Stone will probably be Epsteined if he actually goes to prison.

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    A refresher for you Mr. Oilers, lets look at who has are now convicted felons within Trumps circle.

    Trumps personal lawyer

    Trumps campaign chairman

    Trumps deputy campaign chairman

    Trumps longterm political advisor

    Trumps national security advisor

    Trumps foreign policy aide

    Trumps Middle East Liasson

    But I'm sure it's just a witch hunt right?

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    Just the best people folks! Only the best.

    love watching this swamp being drained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Roger Stone will probably be Epsteined if he actually goes to prison.
    Also you realize that Roger Stone was convicted for covering up election interference by obstructing an investigation in order to protect Trump.

    So who would be Epsteining him here? Trump? I guess we agree for once then

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    Who is the next Trump associate to be convicted?
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    Fox News' Chris Wallace said it best: "If you are not moved by the testimony of Marie Yovanovitch today, you don't have a pulse."
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    Since all the hearsay didn't work as evidence yesterday, it looks like today the Democrats tried "feelings"

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    I would never have thought the Fox News rats would get off the sinking SS Trump before our local pro Trump chum guzzler.
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    From CBS News:

    Stewart: Do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?
    Yovanovitch: No.


    Stewart: Do you any have information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?
    Yovanovitch: No.


    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1195416730119671810

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    Economic growth is close to zero for the fourth quarter, according to Fed gauges

    The U.S. economy will barely grow at all in the fourth quarter, if two Federal Reserve gauges that track gross domestic product are correct.With some recent data coming in below expectations, both the Atlanta and New York Fed’s trackers have lowered their expectations for the last three months of 2019.


    According to the Atlanta Fed’s GDPNow, growth is likely to come in at just 0.3%. The New York Fed’s GDP Nowcast is showing a gain of 0.4%.
    *sad trombone*

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/15/gdp-...ed-gauges.html
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    Are recessions good for the incumbent president?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    From CBS News:

    Stewart: Do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?
    Yovanovitch: No.
    Good thing El Presidente has admitted to asking for them in his own words. Soliciting a bribe is a crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    From CBS News:

    Stewart: Do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?
    Yovanovitch: No.


    Stewart: Do you any have information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?
    Yovanovitch: No.


    https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1195416730119671810
    Obvious reason

    She had been recalled by that time so she was out of the way and could not be a witness.

    That was the whole point of Trump and his henchmen to get an honest Ambassador out of the way to perform their corrupt conspiracy.

    Could you please follow the time line and connect the dots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Since all the hearsay didn't work as evidence yesterday, it looks like today the Democrats tried "feelings"
    Other than regurgitating GOP talking points, you're completely clueless about what constitutes evidence in a legal proceeding.

    Ambassador Taylor's testimony was based on first hand accounts and first hand knowledge of the irregular foreign policy being conducted by Trump and his surrogates to get dirt on the Bidens and pursue other discredited conspiracy theories involving Ukraine. The fact Taylor did not listen in on the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelenskyy is a moot point since a highly incriminating partial transcript of that call has already been entered into evidence.

    Here is a link to Taylor's opening statement: https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...Statement.html

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    Trump: I am innocent but if you testify i will have you rubbed out, and i don't mean a massage.
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    ahh yes all hearsay ... kinda easy when the guilty are ignoring subpoenas and not testifying
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    Here is a growing list of criminal investigations and convictions into President Trump and his associates;

    • 1) The Trump Foundation was under investigation.[1] The Trump Foundation dissolved following an investigation led by the New York Attorney General.[2] Trump has been ordered to pay $2 million for misusing funds.[3]
    • 2a) President Trump's Personal Attorney Michael Cohen plead guilty to committing campaign finance violation at the direction of Trump.[4] Michael Cohen was sentenced to 3 years in prison.[5]
    • 2b) The President's former personal attorney Michael Cohen implicated President Trump in crimes they committed together;[6]

    Pg. 11
    During the campaign, Cohen played a central role in two similar schemes to purchase the rights to stories - each from women who claimed to have had an affair with Individual-1 - so as to suppress the stories and thereby prevent them from influencing the election. With respect to both payments, Cohen acted with the intent to influence the 2016 presidential election. Cohen coordinated his actions with one or more members of the campaign, including through meetings and phone calls, about the fact, nature, and timing of payments. In particular, and as Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1.
    • 3) National Security Adviser Michael Flynn originally pleaded guilty to 1 charge of lying to the FBI, he was given a deal as long as he cooperated with investigators.[7] However, Flynn recently fired his lawyers, is refusing to cooperate with investigators, and may go to prison for charges that weren't originally laid.[8] Due to Flynn suddenly refusing to cooperate U.S. Prosecutors have produced extensive evidence indicated that the Turkish government attempted to influence the Trump Campaign by bribing Flynn, including a plan to extradite a Turkish cleric living in exile in America.[9]
    • 4) Foreign Policy Advisor George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty.[10] Papadopoulos was sentenced to two weeks in jail for lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russians.[11]
    • 5) Deputy Campaign Chairman Richard Gates pleaded guilty.[12] Special Counsel Mueller has delayed Rick Gates sentencing as he continues to cooperate in several ongoing investigations.[13]
    • 6) Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort was convicted for committing several crimes. Manafort was sentenced to 47 months for bank and tax fraud charges.[14] Moreover, Manafort was convicted on foreign lobbying and witness tampering charges and will be in prison for 7 years.[15]
    • 7) Trump Campaign Adviser Roger Stone was indicted by Special Counsel Mueller.[16] A jury found Stone guilty on all 7 counts including witness tampering, lying, and obstruction.[17]


    1) Fox News - New York AG files lawsuit against Trump Foundation for alleged 'illegal conduct;' Trump says he 'won't settle'
    2) New York Times - Trump Foundation Will Dissolve, Accused of ‘Shocking Pattern of Illegality’
    3) NPR - Judge Says Trump Must Pay $2 Million Over Misuse Of Foundation Funds
    4) Fox News - Michael Cohen admits violating campaign finance laws in plea deal, agrees to 3-5 year sentence
    5) The Globe & Mail - Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen sentenced to three years in prison
    6) United States of America v. Michael Cohen - THE GOVERNMENT’S SENTENCING MEMORANDUM
    7) Maclean's - Michael Flynn pleads guilty to making false statements to FBI
    Bloomberg - U.S. Reveals Second Thoughts About Flynn’s No-Prison Deal
    9) CBC - Michael Flynn now seen as a 'co-conspirator' in Turkish cleric plot by prosecutors
    10) CBC - Mueller recommends 6 months in prison for Papadopoulos
    11) New York Times - George Papadopoulos, Ex-Trump Adviser, Is Sentenced to 14 Days in Jail
    12) Washington Examiner - Rick Gates pleads guilty, will cooperate with Robert Mueller probe
    13) Politico - Mueller delays sentencing for ex-Trump aide Gates over ongoing cooperation
    14) Fox News - Paul Manafort sentenced to 47 months in prison on bank and tax fraud charges
    15) Fox News - Paul Manafort sentenced on foreign lobbying and witness tampering charges
    16) Fox News - Roger Stone indicted on several charges as part of Mueller’s Russia collusion probe
    17) Fox News - Roger Stone found guilty on all counts in trial stemming from Mueller probe
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    Former Trump Campaign Deputy Campaign Chairman Rick Gates testified last week that President Trump talked to Roger Stone about Wikileaks. This means that President Trump lied to Special Counsel Mueller about never discussing Wikileaks with Roger Stone.[1]

    In the summer of 2016 candidate Trump was directing his advisers to find out about Wikileaks releasing illegally hacked damaging information on the Clinton campaign. At a time when then candidate Trump had been warned by the FBI that Russians and other foreign adversaries would try to interfere with the election. The Trump campaign was asked to alert the FBI of any suspicious overtures made to their campaign.[2] Despite the intelligence briefing then candidate Trump continued to deny any wrong-doing by the Russians during the 2016 presidential election.[3]
    According to Special Counsel Mueller Roger Stone was directed by the Trump Campaign to find out about potential future releases;[4]
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. ROGER JASON STONE, JR.
    4. ROGER JASON STONE, JR. was a political consultant who worked for decades in U.S. politics and on U.S. political campaigns. STONE was an official on the U.S. presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump (“Trump Campaign”) until in or around August 2015, and maintained regular contact with and publicly supported the Trump Campaign through the 2016 election.
    5. During the summer of 2016, STONE spoke to senior Trump Campaign officials about Organization 1 and information it might have had that would be damaging to the Clinton Campaign. STONE was contacted by senior Trump Campaign officials to inquire about future releases by Organization 1.
    11. By in or around June and July 2016, STONE informed senior Trump Campaign officials that he had information indicating Organization 1 had documents whose release would be damaging to the Clinton Campaign. The head of Organization 1 was located at all relevant times at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, United Kingdom.
    12. After the July 22, 2016 release of stolen DNC emails by Organization 1, a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign. STONE thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by Organization 1.
    17. On or about October 7, 2016, Organization 1 released the first set of emails stolen from the Clinton Campaign chairman. Shortly after Organization 1’s release, an associate of the high-ranking Trump Campaign official sent a text message to STONE that read “well done.” In subsequent conversations with senior Trump Campaign officials, STONE claimed credit for having correctly predicted the October 7, 2016 release.
    Furthermore, over the course of the Special Counsel's investigation into Russian election hacking the government obtained and executed dozens of search warrants. Several of those search warrants were executed on accounts that contained Stone’s direct communications with Wikileaks and Guccifer 2.0 (Russian intelligence officers);[5]
    Certain Netyksho defendants, through a fictitious online persona they created, Guccifer 2.0, also interacted directly with Stone concerning other stolen materials posted separately online.
    ...As alleged in the Netyksho indictment, in 2016, the Netyksho defendants stole documents from the DNC, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and the Clinton campaign chairman. Those defendants then released many of the stolen documents, including through a website maintained by Organization 1. In the course of investigating that activity, the government obtained and executed dozens of search warrants on various accounts used to facilitate the transfer of stolen documents for release, as well as to discuss the timing and promotion of their release. Several of those search warrants were executed on accounts that contained Stone’s communications with Guccifer 2.0 and with Organization 1. Evidence obtained from those search warrants resulted in the allegations that the Netyksho defendants hacked and stole documents for release through intermediaries, including Organization 1, and that Stone lied to a congressional committee investigating, among other things, the activities of Organization 1 regarding those stolen documents. The relevant search warrants, which are being produced to the defendant in discovery in this case, are discussed further in a sealed addendum to this filing.
    U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson issued a full gag order on Roger Stone.[6] Former Trump Campaign adviser Roger Stone was charged on 7 counts for obstruction, making false statements, and witness tampering.[7]
    COUNT ONE (Obstruction of Proceeding)
    41. From in or around May 2017 through at least December 2017, within the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendant ROGER JASON STONE, JR., corruptly influenced, obstructed, impeded, and endeavored to influence, obstruct, and impede the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry and investigation is being had by either House, and any committee of either House and any joint committee of the Congress, to wit: STONE testified falsely and misleadingly at a HPSCI hearing in or around September 2017; STONE failed to turn over and lied about the existence of responsive records to HPSCI’s requests about documents; STONE submitted and caused to be submitted a letter to HPSCI falsely and misleadingly describing communications with Person 2; and STONE attempted to have Person 2 testify falsely before HPSCI or prevent him from testifying.
    All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1505 and 2.
    COUNTS TWO THROUGH SIX (False Statements)
    43. On or about September 26, 2017, within the District of Columbia and elsewhere, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch of the Government of the United States, the defendant ROGER JASON STONE, JR., knowingly and willfully made and caused to be made materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations, to wit:

    • STONE testified falsely that he did not have emails with third parties about the head of Organization 1, and that he did not have any documents, emails, or text messages that refer to the head of Organization 1.
    • STONE testified falsely that his August 2016 references to being in contact with the head of Organization 1 were references to communications with a single “go-between,” “mutual friend,” and “intermediary,” who STONE identified as Person 2.
    • STONE testified falsely that he did not ask the person he referred to as his “go-between,” “mutual friend,” and “intermediary,” to communicate anything to the head of Organization 1 and did not ask the intermediary to do anything on STONE’s behalf.
    • STONE testified falsely that he and the person he referred to as his “go-between,” “mutual friend,” and “intermediary” did not communicate via text message or email about Organization 1.
    • STONE testified falsely that he had never discussed his conversations with the person he referred to as his “go-between,” “mutual friend,” and “intermediary” with anyone involved in the Trump Campaign.

    All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1001(a)(2) and 2.
    COUNT SEVEN (Witness Tampering)
    45. Between in or around September 2017 and present, within the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendant ROGER JASON STONE, JR., knowingly and intentionally corruptly persuaded and attempted to corruptly persuade another person, to wit: Person 2, with intent to influence, delay, and prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding.
    All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512(b)(1).

    1) CNBC - Trump talked to Roger Stone about Wikileaks, Rick Gates says in testimony contradicting the president
    2) NBC - FBI warned Trump in 2016 Russians would try to infiltrate his campaign
    3) NBC - Trump Says He Doubts U.S. Intel Officials On Russian Hacking
    4) U.S. Department of Justice - UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. ROGER JASON STONE, JR.
    5) U.S. Department of Justice - UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. ROGER STONE, JR., GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT’S OBJECTION TO NOTICE OF DESIGNATION OF PENDING RELATED CRIMINAL CASE
    6) Fox News - Judge rips into Roger Stone, bars him from speaking publicly on case: 'There will be no third chance'
    7) U.S. Department of Justice - UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. ROGER JASON STONE, JR.
    A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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    ^ The misuse of charity funds should have been enough to sink him, American politics are insane right now. Those of you who support him, how do you justify it? "Corrupt courts"? "Just being smart by taking advantage of the systems in place"? "End justifies the means"? "As long as it screws the libs"? "If I ignore it I can pretend he never did it"?

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    If they're all so innocent, why hasn't Trump pardoned them?

    Could it be because once he does, they lose the right to plead the 5th amendment right against self-incrimination in these cases and will be compelled to testify?

    Nah, couldn't be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    ^ The misuse of charity funds should have been enough to sink him, American politics are insane right now. Those of you who support him, how do you justify it? "Corrupt courts"? "Just being smart by taking advantage of the systems in place"? "End justifies the means"? "As long as it screws the libs"? "If I ignore it I can pretend he never did it"?
    He's neither black nor a woman. That's enough for them.

    Could you imagine the uproar if Hillary went on the screaming jags that Trump does?

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    We don't have to imagine, his supporters said Hillary was too corrupt because of her charity which is extremely well regarded, but nothing when Trumps foundation is actually found to be participating in criminal activity. Their was a massive investigation and uproar by them for Hillarys private email server, yet nothing when Trumps administration uses their personal emails, and Trump uses an unsecured Android.

    https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-trump/trump-administrations-endless-information-security-breaches-show-how-mainstream

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