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    The proof is in the pudding - the US wage hikes, a decision of corporate America to retain staff in an increasingly competitive labor market, are being accompanied by increased benefits, the Canadian wage hikes, in a country with high unemployment and poor profit margins due to tax increases, are being offset by benefit reductions.
    Indeed. As the US economy takes off, we are seeing the private market in the USA raise minimum wages all on their own so businesses can attract more/better workers. to work for them.

    In Canada, we instead have governments legislating minimum wages, dictating how much businesses need to pay their entry-level employees, leading to reductions in hours, reductions in benefits, and reductions in hiring.
    If anything, as unemployment continues to decline, and labor becomes increasingly scarce in the US, we are going to see more workforces choosing to unionize their if their employer doesn't respond like Walmart and Target have. Workers are getting more power in the US, while in Canada their power is declining.
    Funny think

    I have never once heard from Trump that the tax break would help unions grow. Not once. Why is that?
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    And Donald has apparently been out cherry picking this morning.



    Because the poll ALSO says the overwhelming majority of Americans attribute that economy to BARACK OBAMA. Not Trump.


    AND the percentage of Americans giving Obama credit for the state of the economy has INCREASED since November.


    The poll literally says that. Great economy, because Obama.


    The poll ALSO says the majority of Americans rate the Trump presidency as a D or an F. With a 59% disapproval rate.


    69% of Americans think Trump is not sane
    57% say he's not fit to serve as president
    63% say that he is not honest
    59% say that he does not have good leadership skills
    59% say that he does not care about average Americans
    65% believe he does not share their values

    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=2511

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    Forced to work even if you are retired or no Medicare...

    Trump opens way for Medicaid work requirement in major policy shift
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37571667/

    In a major policy shift that could affect millions of low-income people, the Trump administration said Thursday it is offering a path for states that want to seek work requirements on Medicaid recipients.

    Seema Verma, head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said work and community involvement can make a positive difference in people's lives and in their health. Still, the plan probably will face strong political opposition and even legal challenges over concerns people would lose coverage.


    Medicaid is a federal-state collaboration covering more than 70 million people, or about 1 in 5 Americans, and that makes it the largest government health insurance program. It was expanded under President Barack Obama, with an option that has allowed states to cover millions more low-income adults; many have jobs that don't provide health insurance.


    People are not legally required to hold a job to be on Medicaid, but states traditionally can seek federal waivers to test new ideas for the program.


    The administration's latest action spells out safeguards that states should consider to obtain federal approval for waivers imposing work requirements on "able-bodied" adults.
    Advocates for low-income people said work has never been a requirement for Medicaid, a program originally intended as a health program for the poor and disabled. It now covers a broad cross-section of people, from many newborns to elderly nursing home residents, and increasingly working adults.

    "It is a very major change in Medicaid that for the first time would allow people to be cut off for not meeting a work requirement, regardless of the hardship they may suffer," said Judy Solomon of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, which advocates for the poor. The Obama administration would have never approved such waivers, she added.


    A study from the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation found that a surprising number of working-age adults on Medicaid are already employed. Nearly 60 per cent work either full time or part time, mainly for employers that don't offer health insurance. Most who are not working report reasons such as illness, caring for a family member or going to school. Some Medicaid recipients say the coverage has enabled them to get healthy enough to return to work.
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    Digging into the numbers

    The truth about Walmart’s new bonuses
    Putting a flashy headline in perspective.


    But upon closer examination, Walmart’s announcement is significantly less than meets the eye.


    First, Walmart employees are eligible for the $1,000 bonus only if they’ve worked at the company for 20 years. Most Walmart employees, of course, haven’t worked there that long. Those employees will receive a smaller bonus based on seniority. Walmart didn’t explain exactly how the sliding scale will work, but said the total value of the bonuses will be $400 million. Walmart has about 2.1 million employees, which works out to be an average bonus of about $190.

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    Walmart also announced it will increase its minimum wage from $10 to $11. While Walmart claimed this announcement was linked to the tax cut, the wage hike was likely necessary for the company to remain competitive — and, in some states, legally compliant.




    Target announced it was raising its minimum wage to $11 last September and pledged to establish a $15 minimum wage by 2020. Costco has had a minimum wage of $13.50 since 2016. Walmart itself announced similar $1 minimum wage increases in 2015 and 2016. Additionally, many states have increased their minimum wage above $10. California, for example, now has an $11 minimum wage.



    https://thinkprogress.org/truth-walm...-5966fe4245b0/

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    Another sex scandal with alleged blackmail by a member of the Party that upholds the Standard of Family Values and Morality.
    The free and independent Press brought this scandal to the attention of the public

    Blackmail alleged as Governor Greitens admits to extramarital affair
    http://www.kmov.com/story/37240190/g...marital-affair
    T. LOUIS (KMOV.com) -- Governor Eric Greitens on Wednesday night confirmed to News 4 he had an extramarital affair, an admission a months-long News 4 investigation prompted.

    In a recording obtained by News 4, a woman says she had a sexual encounter with Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens and that he tried to blackmail her to keep the encounter quiet.
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    AFTER BECOMING PRESIDENT, TRUMP HAS SOLD MILLIONS IN REAL ESTATE IN SECRET DEALS

    Trump sold 41 luxury condo units in Las Vegas last year to people who used limited liability companies (LLCs), which allow them to hide their identities, a USA Today report found. The president can withdraw profits from these sales at any time using a trust that names him as the sole beneficiary but is managed by sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump.
    Before Trump signed the GOP tax bill into law in December 2017, a last-minute tax break was added for real estate investors who use LLCs, partnerships and S corporations to make deals.
    The number of buyers using LLCs to purchase property from Trump climbed even before the tax break was announced last year. A mere 4 percent of buyers used the secretive shell companies in the two years before Trump became the Republican nominee. A year later, the number dramatically increased to nearly 70 percent, according to USA Today.
    Its almost like they knew it was happening

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    And here's a bunch of people that Wal-Mart won't be giving raises.

    Multiple Sam's Clubs close without notice in Houston, across nation

    Some employees tell KHOU 11 News the stores closed without notice, and they only learned of the closure as they arrived for work early Thursday.

    http://www.khou.com/news/local/multi...tion/507151005



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    President Flip-Flop


    Trump's grasp of policy questioned after contradictory tweets on surveillance

    Section of FISA that allows agencies to collect information on foreign agents is subject to renewal
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-t...gram-1.4482507
    After a few confusing tweets, U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday pushed the House to renew a critical national security program that allows spy agencies to collect intelligence on foreign targets abroad.


    Trump was referring to the reauthorization of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which is set to expire on Jan. 19. The House is voting Thursday on possible changes, and the Senate must also act.


    "This vote is about foreign surveillance of foreign bad guys on foreign land," Trump said in his second morning tweet on the matter. "We need it! Get smart!"
    but before that, he sent out a tweet suggesting that the program was used to collect information that might have been used to "badly surveil and abuse" his campaign.


    Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the ranking Democrat on the House intelligence committee, said Trump's tweets were "inaccurate, conflicting and confusing statements" and Schiff unsuccessfully suggested that a vote on the bill should be delayed until the White House's position can be ascertained.


    Privacy advocates oppose warrantless sweep


    The program, known as Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, allows U.S. spy agencies to collect information on foreign targets outside the United States. Americans' communications are inadvertently swept up in the process and privacy advocates and some lawyers want to require the FBI to get a warrant if it wants to view information on Americans that is in the database to build domestic crime cases.

    The bill would extend the NSA's spying program for six years with minimal changes. Most lawmakers expect it to become law if it prevails in the House, although it still would require Senate approval and Trump's signature.


    The American Civil Liberties Union said changes being discussed threaten to make government spying powers "even worse" and aren't in line with the U.S. Constitution.
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    Let's see what FDR, the father of the minimum wage had to say about it.

    F.D.R. Makes the Case for the Minimum Wage

    “No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.”


    “By living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of a decent living.” (1933, Statement on National Industrial Recovery Act)


    “Do not let any calamity-howling executive with an income of $1,000 a day, who has been turning his employees over to the Government relief rolls in order to preserve his company’s undistributed reserves, tell you – using his stockholders’ money to pay the postage for his personal opinions — tell you that a wage of $11.00 a week is going to have a disastrous effect on all American industry.” (1938, Fireside Chat, the night before signing the Fair Labor Standards Act that instituted the federal minimum wage)

    https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com...-minimum-wage/

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    Trump announces the sale of F-52 planes, which only exist in Call of Duty
    Fighter jets so ahead of their time they aren’t real

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/1...rway-call-duty
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Let's see what FDR, the father of the minimum wage had to say about it.

    F.D.R. Makes the Case for the Minimum Wage

    “No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.”


    “By living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of a decent living.” (1933, Statement on National Industrial Recovery Act)


    “Do not let any calamity-howling executive with an income of $1,000 a day, who has been turning his employees over to the Government relief rolls in order to preserve his company’s undistributed reserves, tell you – using his stockholders’ money to pay the postage for his personal opinions — tell you that a wage of $11.00 a week is going to have a disastrous effect on all American industry.” (1938, Fireside Chat, the night before signing the Fair Labor Standards Act that instituted the federal minimum wage)

    https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com...-minimum-wage/
    Can we have FDR's quote tattooed across Moa's forehead?
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    How do you tattoo a balloon without it popping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Trump announces the sale of F-52 planes, which only exist in Call of Duty
    Fighter jets so ahead of their time they aren’t real

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/1...rway-call-duty
    I read a different version of the same story, and this is a bit silly. He just messed up. I'm all for calling Trump out when he does something stupid, but this was just a slip-up made by him, and shouldn't be as news-worthy as it is. Of course he kinda brought this on himself by claiming he has the best memory and is a stable genius, but still...
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    National numbers on Wal-Mart closing their Sam's Club stores. So much winning! And such a classy way of doing it too.

    Walmart is abruptly closing 63 Sam's Club stores and laying off thousands of workers

    Walmart is closing 63 Sam's Club stores across the US, the company told Business Insider on Thursday afternoon, after reports of abrupt store closings began to emerge.


    In some cases, employees were not told their store had closed before showing up to work on Thursday. Those employees learned their store would be closing when they found the store's doors locked and a notice announcing the closing, according to reports.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/walma...-stores-2018-1


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    Seems similar to the Carrier deal - the Trumpeters talk about what a great thing Trump did, and then the truth blows up in their faces.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Or his claim that "Coal is back"
    Mine closing wipes out many of Trump's coal job gains

    Despite many promises from President Trump that he would bring back coal jobs, the industry has only added 500 jobs, or a 1% increase, during his first year in office.
    And now a coal mine near the Pennsylvania-West Virginia border is due to close, costing 370 of those jobs.


    The mine is the 4 West Mine, owned by Mepco LLC. In a notice sent to the state of Pennsylvania last week, the company said that the mine is no longer productive enough to be economically competitive given current market conditions. It will be permanently shut.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news...ing/index.html

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    President Flip-Flop-Flip

    Another example of Trump parroting the ideas and opinions of the very last person who he saw.


    FISA fiasco shows 'Fox & Friends' controls Trump

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...111-story.html

    have some bad news, folks: The fate of our country rests in the hands of a Fox News morning show called “Fox and Friends.”

    It’s President Donald Trump’s favorite show — probably because the hosts share his aversion to facts — and he often spends his mornings watching it and tweeting out quotes from the program or responses to issues being discussed.


    Having the leader of the free world engage in daily stream-of-consciousness tweets based on low-bar cable television news chatter might seem like a good idea — it’s like improvisational jazz, only with a higher probability of starting a nuclear war — but sometimes it causes problems.


    Like Thursday morning, when Trump heard someone on “Fox & Friends” raising questions about a government surveillance bill up for reauthorization, suggesting it was a bad idea. Logically, the president of the United States of America listened to the person on his TV and sent a tweet that contradicted the position his own White House and national security team have taken on the bill.


    The tweet read: “‘House votes on controversial FISA ACT today.’ This is the act that may have been used, with the help of the discredited and phony Dossier, to so badly surveil and abuse the Trump Campaign by the previous administration and others?”


    Aside from that being a bunch of unrelated and conspiratorial jibber-jabber, it also contradicted a statement the White House issued Wednesday night strongly supporting reauthorization of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.


    Trump’s early morning tweet sowed chaos in Congress as Democrats who want greater privacy measures in the bill tried to get it pulled from consideration.


    About an hour later, Trump sent another tweet, reversing course back to support for FISA: “With that being said, I have personally directed the fix to the unmasking process since taking office and today’s vote is about foreign surveillance of foreign bad guys on foreign land. We need it! Get smart!”


    Yes, get smart, you people doing what the White House fully supported right up until a guy on “Fox and Friends” told the president not to support it!


    (The House went on to pass the legislation Thursday morning, after the confusion subsided.)


    What we’ve learned from this episode — one I’m sure Republican lawmakers who have spent months working to pass the reauthorization really enjoyed — is that “Fox and Friends” can get President Trump to do whatever it wants.


    If hosts Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade, and Ainsley Earhardt did a segment on how trains cause cancer, the president would immediately tweet: “TRAINS ARE KILLING HARDWORKING AMERICANS! I will fix this, and FAST. Amtrak is officially BANNED and I’m closing all subway systems until further notice. #MAGA”


    If they talked about the lack of chimpanzees on Broadway, Trump would tweet: “The LOSERS on Broadway do not listen to Americans, who have a right to see more chimpanzees on stage. Why no chimps? We will be looking very closely at strengthening chimpanzee actor employment laws. CRAZY!”


    So I’m calling on the “Fox and Friends” crew to recognize the awesome power it wields and use it for good.


    For example: Consider a lengthy segment on how President Barack Obama never sent every American an envelope full of money, and explain how polling suggests that any president who sent every American an envelope full of money would be highly respected. Then stare into the camera and wink.


    Or perhaps do a piece on “self-impeachment,” then turn to the camera and say: “Mr. President, you could be the first-ever president to take this bold step. Imagine what an honor that would be.”


    The possibilities are endless, but so far you all seem to be focusing more on the crazy/loony stuff that makes it likely we won’t live to see 2019.


    So please, “Fox and Friends” — or, if I may, President Cable Morning Show — help make America great by sensibly guiding the president you control.


    Our fate is in your hands.


    God help us all.I
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Or his claim that "Coal is back"
    Mine closing wipes out many of Trump's coal job gains

    Despite many promises from President Trump that he would bring back coal jobs, the industry has only added 500 jobs, or a 1% increase, during his first year in office.
    And now a coal mine near the Pennsylvania-West Virginia border is due to close, costing 370 of those jobs.


    The mine is the 4 West Mine, owned by Mepco LLC. In a notice sent to the state of Pennsylvania last week, the company said that the mine is no longer productive enough to be economically competitive given current market conditions. It will be permanently shut.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/10/news...ing/index.html
    All those coal miners can now work at Sam's Club.

    Oh, wait...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    "You can't say things that are knowingly false, knowingly false, and be able to smile as money pours into your bank account."


    ‘Stable genius’ Donald Trump doesn’t actually have an MBA from Wharton: report

    In April 2016, while Trump was still duking it out for the Republican nomination, the Associated Press reported on Trump’s “complicated relationship” with Wharton. Though he regularly brought up the school, which is part of the University of Pennsylvania, Trump never received his master’s degree from Wharton School of business. In fact, his undergraduate degree isn’t even in business–it’s a bachelor of science in economics.


    Earlier this week, Vanity Fair‘s Kurt Eichenwald resurrected Trump’s Wharton deception when the president slipped up and said “I went to the best colleges, or college.”


    As Eichenwald pointed out on Twitter, Trump did indeed go to the famed institution, but only after transferring there from Fordham University, located in New York City. He “never made dean’s list,” though he claims to have graduated first in his class.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/sta...harton-report/
    As Donald himself might say, it's so SAD those colleges didn't recognize his great ingeniousness. Is he a genius? Perhaps, he does sort of remind me of some of those mad scientist types a bit, except perhaps without any of the nuclear scientific expertise. Unlike the North Korean leader Trump doesn't seem to personally design nuclear missiles in his spare time. However, is Trump stable? Not so much I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    ... However, is Trump stable? Not so much I think.
    is trump stable? maybe not so much. or maybe he's just the human personification of the celestial and cellular states of stable chaos theory...
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    And he's claimed that he's club champion at each of his 19 clubs. Except he's not. He apparently is so good that he won a championship a year before the course even opened. Take that Obama!

    TRUMP'S GOLF GAME: PRESIDENT HAS APPARENTLY CLAIMED 19 CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS

    The Washington Post this year poked holes in his championship boasts. For instance, the paper found that Trump claims the 1999 club championship at Trump International Golf Club in Palm Beach, Florida. But the club didn't officially open until 2000, and the president apparently won the title during a "soft opening" when only a few select members were allowed to compete in the tournament.


    The Post article also found that Trump claimed on Twitter that he won the 2013 championship at Trump International but saw on a plaque at the club that the honor actually belonged to a man named Tom Roush. Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks told the Post he actually won the senior championship, which is certainly an accomplishment but not the outright club title. He has apparently won the senior title a few times at his club in Bedminster, New Jersey, as well.

    http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-golf-...onships-677898

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    Trumpium is the most unstable element know to science.

    Formerly called Narcissium, the President signed an Executive Order to change the name today.



    Trumpium is unstable in any environment, reacts spontaneously when exposed to 'Fox and Friends' and has a decision halflife of 32 seconds. It has a far greater explosive force than any known element. 230 pounds of Trumpium is calculated to have enough destructive power to wipe out all life on the planet.


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    President Trump leads a round table discussion on prison reform, focusing on better promoting public safety and helping former prisoners re-enter and re-integrate into society after they leave the correctional system through increased addiction counselling, job training, and other improvements:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-sYLZ-rQ2s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Seems Trump wants the clintons to stay relevant too. He keeps bringing them up, and up until he ran for president, was actually a clinton supporter.

    But hey, when you a flip flop for president, how can you stay on top of what he currently supporters, you know he'll just flip flop the next week anyways.
    Now to be fair, I think this one is not really his fault. We all know Kellyanne keeps on talking about Clinton and won't shut up, now its stuck in his head you know like a terrible song you heard in the morning and can't stop humming all day. Don't worry, he'll go to bed at 6:30 pm and after sun down his brain might reset - maybe tomorrow will be a good day, not a bad one. You just never know.

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    The whole Russia nonsense was first peddled to the public by Hillary Clinton (and Obama).

    As long as that is an issue, and as long as the press keeps trying to keep that relevant, Trump is going to keep talking about them.

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    That's a creative interpretation of history you've got there.
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    Well, Hillary talked about it on the campaign trail (so did Obama), and Hillary is still talking about it.

    That's the history of it.

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    But were they the first? By your reasoning, since you just wrote about this, your are the first that peddled it.

    Please provide a credible source
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    Congressman Boyle Introduces STABLE GENIUS Act Requiring Presidential Candidates Undergo and Disclose Medical Examination
    https://boyle.house.gov/media-center...ial-candidates

    January 9, 2018 Press ReleaseWASHINGTON, DC – Today, Congressman Brendan F. Boyle (PA-13) introduced the Standardizing Testing and Accountability Before Large Elections Giving Electors Necessary Information for Unobstructed Selection (STABLE GENIUS) Act to require that all presidential candidates undergo a standardized medical examination and publicly disclose its results before the election. Specifically, Boyle’s legislation would require candidates whom have won the presidential nomination of a political party to file a report with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), as such candidates must do for a host of other campaign-related requirements, certifying that he or she has undergone medical examination by the medical office under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Navy and containing the results of the examination. All FEC filings are publically available online.


    “The President believes he is a ‘stable genius.’ I do not,” said Congressman Boyle. “President Trump’s reckless, erratic behavior has exposed a critical flaw in our existing election process. Before voting for the highest office in the land, Americans have a right to know whether an individual has the physical and mental fitness to serve as President of the United States. While it is necessary to take the current President’s concerning behavior seriously and I support legislation to address these ongoing concerns, I believe we must also be proactive and do all we can to ensure a situation like this does not arise again.”
    Boyle concluded, “My legislation provides a much needed safeguard to ensure that future presidential candidates meet the basic standards of a proper, uniform medical examination, and that this information is available to the American public before voting for the Office of the Presidency. While President Trump apparently considers himself a ‘stable genius,’ the American people deserve a thorough, standardized procedure to allow a medical professional to determine this.”
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    A new round of layoffs is taking effect at the Carrier factory in Indianapolis.

    The company says about 215 people are being let go starting Thursday, leaving about 1,100 workers at the plant. That's down from some 1,600 factory and office jobs when Carrier announced plans in early 2016 to move production to Mexico.

    The new layoffs follow about 340 job cuts from the factory in July.

    President Donald Trump frequently criticized Carrier's plant closing plans during the 2016 campaign. He traveled to the Indianapolis factory weeks after his election win to announce a tax-incentive agreement partially reversing the closure and keeping some 800 furnace production jobs.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/carr...s-factory.html
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    Politicians, advocacy groups react to Trump blasting Caribbean and African immigrants from ‘s--thole countries’

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3752001

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    The Racist President lies about the facts again, blaming Obama for what was done by Bush.


    Donald Trump cancels London visit amid protest fears
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-mass-protests

    Donald Trump has cancelled a visit to Britain next month to open the new US embassy in London, amid fears of mass protests.

    The president claimed on Twitter that the reason for calling off the trip was his displeasure at Barack Obama having sold the current embassy for “peanuts” and built a replacement for $1bn (£750m). “Bad deal,” he wrote.


    But the embassy’s plan to move from Mayfair to Nine Elms in London was first reported in October 2008, when George W Bush was still president.
    Trump confirmed on Twitter late on Thursday night that the trip was off. “Reason I canceled my trip to London is that I am not a big fan of the Obama Administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in London for “peanuts,” only to build a new one in an off location for 1.2 billion dollars,” he wrote just before midnight local time. “Bad deal. Wanted me to cut ribbon-NO!”
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    Well, Trump hates the Bushes too.

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    The Racist President lies every day and you still make excuses for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Well, Hillary talked about it on the campaign trail (so did Obama), and Hillary is still talking about it.

    That's the history of it.
    That's a creative interpretation of history you've got there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The whole Russia nonsense was first peddled to the public by Hillary Clinton (and Obama).

    As long as that is an issue, and as long as the press keeps trying to keep that relevant, Trump is going to keep talking about them.
    Are you sure? You seem up and up on all things Trump. During the Trump Campaign, he frequently brought up Russia. I don't recall Obama or HRC doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    he frequently brought up Russia. I don't recall Obama or HRC doing so.
    https://youtu.be/d64xCbofco8?t=82

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    That was well after Trump had already mentioned Russia several times. Wasn't Trump pretty much asking the Russian's to hack the DNC and get Hillary's e-mails?

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    October 9?

    So like, 6 months after the meeting between Trump, Papadopoulos & Sessions regarding assistance from the Russians? This is the same meeting that the wee Racist Keebler Elf Jeff Sessions forgot to disclose to the Senate, landing him in hot water? 5 months after Papadopoulos learned about the hacked emails?

    How brokebrained do you need to be to think something that happened 6+ months after something else was "first"?
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    but Hillary... Obama.... <begins grasping at straws>

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    Senator Dick Durbin confirms that the Racist President said those words.

    Trump said ‘hate filled things,’ repeatedly mentioned ‘s---holes,’ says senator who was there
    Responding to the furor on Friday, Trump said on Twitter that his language was “tough,” but “this was not the language used.” He did not specifically deny using the word “s---hole.”
    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...uage-used.html

    Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin, who was present at the White House meeting on Friday said Trump “said these hate filled things and he said them repeatedly.”

    Durbin told reporters that Trump questioned why the U.S. would accept more immigrants from Haiti, a predominantly Black country, and that he referenced “s---hole countries” in Africa.


    “S---holes” was “the exact word used by the president not just once but repeatedly,” Durbin said, adding: “When the question was asked about Haitians ... he said, ‘Hatians? Do we need more Hatians?’”


    Trump’s contemptuous description of an entire continent startled lawmakers in the meeting and immediately revived charges that the president is racist. The White House did not deny his remark but issued a statement saying Trump supports immigration policies that welcome “those who can contribute to our society.”


    Responding to the furor on Friday, Trump said on Twitter that his language was “tough,” but “this was not the language used.” He did not specifically deny using the word “s---hole.”
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    And before Moa and MrNazi chime in with "He's a Dem, of course he'd say that'

    Conservatives pushed back against Trump’s racist comments on immigration. Now he’s doubling down.

    Earlier on Thursday evening, a handful of conservative lawmakers, like Rep. Mia Love (R-UT), had pushed back against Trump, calling on him to apologize for denigrating immigrants.


    “The President’s comments are unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nation’s values,” Love wrote in a statement posted to her official Twitter account. “This behavior is unacceptable from the leader of our nation. My parents came from one of those countries but proudly took an oath of allegiance to the United States and took on the responsibilities of everything that being a citizen comes with. …That’s the American Dream.”


    She added, “The President must apologize to both the American people and the nations he so wantonly maligned.”

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    Florida Rep Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R) was especially critical of the president’s comments.


    “[The president] needs to understand that lives are at stake when he makes such reckless comments,” Ros-Lehtinen told reporters. “The Statue of Liberty reads, ‘Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,’ not ‘go back to your ********.'”

    https://thinkprogress.org/republican...-2e80e156c876/


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    Huh. It sounds like it is suddenly somehow "racist" to call somewhere a sh!thole.

    When was this change announced?

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    Winnipeg is a sh!ithole

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    You are a shi!thole

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    Sorry, you're right, you are a racist shi!thole! Thanks for pointing that out.

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    Nevermind that a world leader shouldn't be using that type of language, no matter the context, it's not racist to call a place a sh!thole. What is racist is to say you don't want people from a certain country because you think it's a sh!thole. "Hatians? Do we need more Hatians?" That's racist, and he apparently doesn't have the mental capacity to separate a countries economic conditions from the people who live there. If the country sucks, the people must suck too, right? And I'm sure it's coincidence that it's a predominantly black country.

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    Let's not forget his last comments about Haitians.

    Trump’s ‘********’ comment about Haiti lends credence to report he said Haitians ‘all have AIDS’

    Three weeks ago, the New York Times reported that President Trump had said something hugely offensive about Haitians – that they “all have AIDS” – in a June meeting about immigration. The White House strenuously denied it, and the fact that the story landed on Dec. 23 helped it escape scandal proportions.


    Trump won’t be so fortunate with his latest comments on Haiti.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fbda0c26642b

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    The Washington Post sure comes up with a lot of alleged quotes that they cannot back up. Other than reporting that "somebody" told them he said it, what proof do they give?

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    That's true!

    Except for where it's wrong! Which is all of it. We've already covered (and so has the Washington Post) that there's people who were in the room willing to go on record, like Senator Durbin.

    Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), one of the lawmakers who attended the meeting, said in comments to reporters and in a subsequent written statement on Friday that Trump’s denial was false. The president, according to Durbin, “said things that were hate-filled, vile and racist.” Trump used the words “repeatedly,” the senator said.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.35960f78c4a4

    Try and keep up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Trump sure comes up with a lot of alleged quotes that he cannot back up. What proof does he give?
    FTFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    there's people who were in the room willing to go on record, like Senator Durbin.
    Dick Durbin is literally the worst guy to trust, and is on record for making up all sorts of lies in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post

    Donald Trump is literally the worst guy to trust, and is on record for making up all sorts of lies in the past.
    FTFY.

    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
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    Time to haul out the D scorecard for MrOilers on the racist Trump defense strategies today.



    • Deflect
    • Delay
    • Deny
    • Discount
    • Deceive
    • Divide
    • Dulcify
    • Discredit
    • Destroy
    • Deal


    Quite the combo platter you've got going today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post

    Donald Trump is literally the worst guy to trust, and is on record for making up all sorts of lies in the past.
    FTFY.

    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
    I don't trust your lefty fake news website.

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    Earlier today, the Wall Street Journal (owned by Rupert Murdoch) reported that Trump had his lawyer pay off adult film star "Stormy Daniels" to the sum of $130,000. Well, it looks like there's someone backing up the story that Trump has denied. Now, this is after he's married Melania. As a matter of fact, she's pregnant with Barron.

    But the Evangelicals will not turn on him over this and the Republicans will either remain silent on the payment of hush money or try to deflect.

    Another adult film actress claims Stormy Daniels and Trump invited her to their hotel room: report

    “Stormy calls me four or five times, by the last two phone calls she’s with Donald [Trump] and I can hear him, and he’s talking through the phone to me saying, ‘Oh come on Alana, let’s have some fun! Let’s have some fun! Come to the party, we’re waiting for you,'” Evans told the Beast.


    She ultimately turned down the offer, but learned more about Daniels’ encounter with the real estate mogul the next day.


    “She tells me, ‘All I’m going to say is: I ended up with Donald in his hotel room. Picture him chasing me around his hotel room in his tighty-whities.’ I was like, ‘Oh I really didn’t need to hear that!’ Then she said he offered her keys to his condos in Florida, and I was like, ‘Wow guess you had a good night,’ and that was the last we ever spoke of it,” Evans said.


    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/anot...l-room-report/

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    Interesting. Adult film star “coverup”.



    Also interesting:

    Jared Kushner’s connection to an Israeli business goes without scrutiny – imagine how different it would be if that business was Palestinian

    Shortly before Kushner accompanied Trump on his first diplomatic trip to Israel in May, his family real estate company received about $30m in investments from Menora Mivtachim, one of Israel’s largest insurers and financial institutions

    Robert Fisk Middle East Correspondent Thursday 11 January 2018

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8153411.html
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    Another one of Trump's "good people on both sides"

    Aryan Nations gang member responsible for shooting Tennessee police officer

    Wilson, who faces an attempted murder charge, is “listed in a database as an Aryan Nations gang member,” the AP reported. He was sentenced to three years in state prison after being convicted of aggravated burglary in 2011, the outlet said.


    Photos he posted of himself on his Facebook page show “a large swastika tattoo on his chest and, on his stomach, a Celtic cross with different images in each quadrant and the words ‘White Pride Worldwide’ around the outside,” according to Knox News.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/arya...olice-officer/

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    Time Until Trump Leaves Office - Countdown

    https://www.tickcounter.com/countdow..._Leaves_Office


    Looks like there’s an app too.
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    He's likely laughing his ars off right now watching how he got everybody riled up. I think he just does it for fun and doesn't give a shite

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    No, I believe that Trump is not having any fun at all. He hates his job and every moment of being President. He sits alone in his bedroom trapped and lonely. He cannot go out like he used to and everyone around him are idiots. Obama got his revenge and ruined him. He cannot quit without being a failure. He cannot act because he does not know how to govern.

    He is a bitter old man and his temper is shown by his impatience and lashing out at everyone.

    Have pity on the *******
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    I predict:

    - that office towers won’t have 45th floors. They will go from 44 to 46 and there won’t be a 45 just as the 13th floor sometimes disappears. Trump being the 45th President will have made the number 45 a bad luck omen.

    - that the world’s calendars may change. Instead of BC and AD, it will become BT and AT for Before Trump and After Trump.

    The occupation years will be known as DT for During Trump (though over time DT will come to be known as an Acronym that’s ‘short for’ for many other words and phrases, such as Dementia Time, Dark Times, Double Trouble, Death & Terror...).


    Everyone, it’s January, feel free to add your own predictions!
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    I predict that many Trump supporters will deny ever voting for him to avoid being call a fool who voted for an immature hateful racist showman with no experience and no class


    Compare Racist President's first day where he wanted a Muslim ban while our PM was greeting Syrian refugees at the airport

    Compare this week where the Racist President was calling entire continents as ******** while our PM was calming hecklers in a polite and adult manner at public forums.

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    No wonder Trump didn't want Mueller to look at his finances. Or was the campaign paying them off?

    Steve Bannon suggests Trump's lawyer 'took care' of 'a hundred' women during the presidential campaign

    Steve Bannon, President Donald Trump's former top strategist, alleged in journalist Michael Wolff's tell-all book about the Trump White House that the president's longtime attorney, Marc Kasowitz, "took care" of 100 women during the presidential campaign.


    "Look, Kasowitz has known [Trump] for twenty-five years. Kasowitz has gotten him out of all kinds of jams," Bannon reportedly said. "Kasowitz on the campaign — what did we have, a hundred women? Kasowitz took care of all of them."


    This apparently off-hand remark may take on new significance after The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday that another lawyer for the president, Michael Cohen, sent $130,000 to a porn star just weeks before the 2016 presidential election to keep her silent about an alleged 2006 sexual encounter with Trump.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/banno...d-women-2018-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post

    I predict that many Trump supporters will deny ever voting for him...

    In case you hadn't noticed, Trump's supporters already DO hide the fact that they support his agenda, and have been long BEFORE the election.

    Reason being, anytime anybody says anything good about Trump or gives him any sort of credit, they immediately get verbally accosted, threatened, and start getting slandered behind their backs by overzealous left-wingers.


    Everybody who thinks that Trump is doing a good job are silently nodding their heads as they read this because they know EXACTLY what I am talking about. That is the sad and sorry state of our political climate today - publicly expressing any non-left political opinions (or using words not pre-approved by the SJW police) these days is literally asking to be personally attacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post

    I predict that many Trump supporters will deny ever voting for him...

    In case you hadn't noticed, Trump's supporters already DO hide the fact that they support his agenda, and have been long BEFORE the election.

    Reason being, anytime anybody says anything good about Trump or gives him any sort of credit, they immediately get verbally accosted, threatened, and start getting slandered behind their backs by overzealous left-wingers.


    Everybody who thinks that Trump is doing a good job are silently nodding their heads as they read this because they know EXACTLY what I am talking about. That is the sad and sorry state of our political climate today - publicly expressing any non-left political opinions (or using words not pre-approved by the SJW police) these days is literally asking to be personally attacked.
    ????

    trust me, there’s plenty of us right wing conservatives arm in arm with your “overzealous left-wingers” when it comes to trump and the clear and present danger he represents and fosters.

    even those of us who never supported him but were once prepared to give his administration the benefit of a doubt have quickly been proven foolish if not stupid.
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    That's a lot of hyperbole you just posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That's a lot of hyperbole you just posted.
    you’re accusing me of posting a lot of hyperbole??? that’s rich...

    you must have borrowed a page from moa’s book of on-line humour.

    i suppose the next thing you’ll be posting is that kkozoriz and i are politically and socially aligned....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    i suppose the next thing you’ll be posting is that kkozoriz and i are politically and socially aligned....
    No, that would be silly. You certainly don't engage in the name-calling and personal attacks that I accuse the left of doing all the time. I know you are a far more liberal "live and let live" person than that.

    But claiming that President Trump is a "clear and present danger" is hyperbole. So is saying that people who never supported him in the first place are proven "foolish if not stupid" for giving him the benefit of the doubt. Trump has been doing (and fighting for) everything that he said he would during the election campaign, and it's difficult to ignore the positive effects his Presidency has had on things like the Middle East, North and South Korea (who are in talks right now after years of none), enforcing immigration laws, and encouraging growth of the US economy and job market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That's a lot of hyperbole you just posted.
    you’re accusing me of posting a lot of hyperbole??? that’s rich...

    you must have borrowed a page from moa’s book of on-line humour.

    i suppose the next thing you’ll be posting is that kkozoriz and i are politically and socially aligned....
    Compared to him, we're practically blood brothers Ken

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    Let's see, Hawaii is an island, much like Puerto Rico and Obama was born there. No wonder Trump didn't care.

    Former Pentagon official Col. Morris Davis blasts Trump for golfing while Hawaii panicked over false missile alert

    Former Guantanamo Chief Prosecutor Col. Morris Davis took to Twitter Saturday afternoon to criticize President Donald Trump for continuing his golf game as Americans in Hawaii were panicking over a mistaken missile threat.


    “For 38 minutes American citizens in Hawaii braced for a ballistic missile strike … and @realDonaldTrump continued his round of golf in Florida on his 120th taxpayer funded vacation day in less than a year,” Morris tweeted, linking to a Fox New report.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/form...missile-alert/
    Hawaii emergency officials say ballistic missile threat alert was a mistake

    Hawaii emergency officials confirmed Saturday that an alert warning that a ballistic missile was inbound to the island was a mistake.


    Earlier Saturday, Hawaiian citizens reported receiving an emergency alert on their phone that stated: “BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.”



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    Trumps great ! Those who complain are jelous.

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    A mistake - or a real world test?

    - or a signal to NK?

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    Hawaii says it was a mistake. We don't know what Trump thinks about it because he never stopped golfing and his only tweet since then was about Wolff's book.

    U.S. Pacific Command‏Verified account
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    U.S. Pacific Command has detected no ballistic missile threat to Hawaii. Earlier message was sent in error. State of Hawaii will send out a correction message as soon possible.
    https://twitter.com/PacificCommand/s...anic-1.4486510
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    About that button thing and who’s was bigger and who’s worked.



    'The whole state was terrified': How Hawaii reacted to false missile alert - BBC News

    “Meanwhile other US government agencies seemed unfazed by the alert that was terrifying Hawaiian islanders. In the midst of the panic, the CIA's official account sent out a totally unrelated post about pandas, much to the mockery of other social media users.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42675666



    The headlines all say “panic” yet in reading the articles I find fear but not “panic”.


    Just the usual Headline Hyperbole ?


    People leaving their cars, texting their parents. Obviously they were in a state of total PANIC:


    'This is not a drill': Accidental ballistic missile alert causes panic in Hawaii - World - CBC News

    Rebecca MacLeod's daughter, Jessica, is in Hawaii on her honeymoon. MacLeod, who lives in Mount Uniacke, N.S., said her daughter texted her when the alert came through.

    "She sent three texts and the screenshot," said MacLeod. "It was just, 'Mom, apparently there's a missile on its way to Hawaii, we have to seek shelter. I'm not sure what that means, but I love you and I'll be in touch as soon as I can.'


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/missile...anic-1.4486510





    Hawaii Panics After Alert About Incoming Missile Is Sent in Error - The New York Times



    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/u...i-missile.html




    panic | Definition of panic in English by Oxford Dictionaries

    1Sudden uncontrollable fear or anxiety, often causing wildly unthinking behaviour.
    ‘she hit him in panic’
    in singular ‘he ran to the library in a blind panic’

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/panic
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    What a screw up. Of all the possible alert messages to accidentally send out, that has to be up there as the most terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    What a screw up. Of all the possible alert messages to accidentally send out, that has to be up there as the most terrifying.
    probably some crazed left winger , in hopes to pin it on Trump .

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    What a screw up. Of all the possible alert messages to accidentally send out, that has to be up there as the most terrifying.

    I bet they coped very well.

    For a good perspective on such slip ups, buy a copy of a book called Command and Control. (Now cheap/used via Amazon.ca) Don't waste a minute watching the documentary because it doesn't even cover half of the really interesting information.



    Schlosser’s disquieting but riveting book looks at every aspect of nuclear risk, examining problems with the command and control systems that in theory were supposed to provide presidents with the information they would need to make the decision on whether the United States should retaliate against a Soviet strike. Constructing the complex systems needed for this task — linking radar sites and monitor stations around the world into a single network for analysis and control — was well beyond the technological capacity of American engineers for much of the cold war, but they did the best they could. The system they created, which led among other things to the technology that gave us the Internet, was not only subject to glitches and crashes, it was also too brittle to survive any serious Soviet attack, too inflexible to give presidents good choices at what would have been the most critical moments in world history and too subject to error to be relied on. At various points, flocks of birds, sunshine reflecting off clouds and the rising moon over Norway set off alarm bells. One false alert went high enough up the command chain that a general woke the national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in the middle of the night; as he waited for confirmation before calling President Carter, Brzezinski decided not to tell his wife that Soviet missiles were on their way. "



    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/15/bo...schlosser.html

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    Read it and most of his other books.

    Isn't he one of those investigative, free press, liberal biased fake news guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    What a screw up. Of all the possible alert messages to accidentally send out, that has to be up there as the most terrifying.
    I was reading some of the texts that were sent, talk about terrified! Wow!

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    Even Volvo’s and stop signs can go over to the dark side.



    After Hawaii false alarm, experts weigh in on the potential threat of nuclear missiles



    "One of the big misconceptions is that any nuke if it comes down just means certain doom for everyone, that's not true," said McGee. "People think the radiation is the biggest threat with a nuke. It's actually not; it's the shockwave that's moving rapidly and carrying stop signs and Volvos with it. So one important thing is if you ever see a flash that's brighter than the sun, get away from the windows because you just saw the lightning and the thunder's coming."




    McGee says the alert error that happened in Hawaii isn't a bad problem to be having. He believes people should look at the silver lining and be reassured by the fact that we have systems in place that can alert the public to potential threats in an instant.

    "If you're going to have an error, I’d rather have it happen this way than to have a bomb dropped on you and nobody knew it was coming," said McGee.




    http://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-wo...clear-missiles
    Above - the views from one of those that likely lives and thinks about this reality every day and doesn’t just get to live in blissful ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    What a screw up. Of all the possible alert messages to accidentally send out, that has to be up there as the most terrifying.
    I was reading some of the texts that were sent, talk about terrified! Wow!
    A great story they can tell their grandchildren. Plus a good wake up call to a them too.


    What would be really interesting to know is if people did anything differently between this warning and the earlier pre-announced test warning(s). (Obviously they’d have spent more time texting and calling back and forth, but what else was different?)
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    He's been too busy golfing.

    Hawaii false alarm revealed Trump White House has no plan in place for actual attack: report

    The news about the potential attack “sent White House aides scrambling” as they frantically called federal agencies trying to find out what to do and how to respond, raising serious questions about their preparedness for an actual attack — nearly a year into Trump’s presidency.


    “President Donald Trump’s Cabinet has yet to test formal plans for how to respond to a domestic missile attack, according to a senior administration official,” wrote Politico’s Eliana Johnson. “John Kelly, while serving as Secretary of Homeland Security through last July, planned to conduct the exercise. But he left his post to become White House chief of staff before it was conducted, and acting secretary Elaine Duke never carried it out.”


    Lower-level officials took part in an exercise in December, but as of Saturday no “principal” Cabinet secretaries have trained for this type of emergency.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/hawa...attack-report/

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    Here is the plan.

    1. If missles are detected, contact the Pentagon
    2. The Pentagon is to contact, 'Fox and Friends' with the information
    3. 'Fox and Friends' then inform the President.

    Note, this only works if North Korea fires missiles during the televised times of Fox and Friends.

    Plan B
    All other times, the Pentagon can inform the President by either including a short note in his Happy Meal bag or writing the message on the President's balls. Golf balls, we mean.
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    The guy that sent the alert, even had a chance to not,it said are you sure! Well to me, he's stupid, or he did this on purpose...I'm sure he feels terrible, he should.

    A great story they can tell their grandchildren. Plus a good wake up call to a them too.
    Oh yeah, great story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    The guy that sent the alert, even had a chance to not,it said are you sure! Well to me, he's stupid, or he did this on purpose...I'm sure he feels terrible, he should.

    A great story they can tell their grandchildren. Plus a good wake up call to a them too.
    Oh yeah, great story...
    Humans do things out of habit, in a rush, without reading the fine print, under erroneous assumptions, without paying full attention, without thinking about consequences, second and third order consequences, without thinking about potential unintended consequences, etc.

    Similarly it is bad software design and poor process design and poor management oversight and review that fails to account for these simple realities.

    As bad as the consequences of this errant click were, this person may have done a great favour to the system.



    The way I see it, is that much of humanity is basically living on half-a-century of borrowed time. When stupid accidents occur we too quickly assume deliberate intent and not stupid design and stupid accidents. Hence we try to blame and assign accountability asap. (Someone accidentally launches a missle at another country or set off a nuclear bomb in one’s own country and its VERY likely that total destruction is going to follow. )



    6 Tiny Mistakes That Almost Ended the World

    http://www.cracked.com/article_19790...ded-world.html
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    I realize this is the age of technology and a lot of people have cell phones welded to their hands but were their no sirens went off. Not everyone has a cell phone. A lot of elderly people may have a cell phone but they don't know how to use or want to pay for the text feature activated. You would think along with that text other notification means would have been used. Emergency TV alert, sirens etc. automatically activated when there is a threat like that. All warning go into effect at once.
    Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    I realize this is the age of technology and a lot of people have cell phones welded to their hands but were their no sirens went off. Not everyone has a cell phone. A lot of elderly people may have a cell phone but they don't know how to use or want to pay for the text feature activated. You would think along with that text other notification means would have been used. Emergency TV alert, sirens etc. automatically activated when there is a threat like that. All warning go into effect at once.
    No sirens, which to a lot of people, meant it was likely a false alarm. It's all very strange to me, and I'm not sure we have the whole truth.

    You would think, that a text alert would also trigger the sirens. Hawaii had a wake up call, as KC said.. People didnt know what to do,many left their cars on the freeway, and many ran to their cars...
    It reminds me of BC, the residents don't have a clue what to do if they had an earthquake, or a tsunami warning.

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    I lived in Hawaii for about half a year back in the 1990s, and I can tell you that it is absolutely frightening when the sirens go off (it was a Tsunami warning at that time). You don't really understand how alone, isolated, and trapped you are on those Islands until it sinks in that you cannot just hop into your car and leave to someplace safer.

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    Meanwhile, the Donald claims that the WSJ misquoted him even after they release audio of him saying what they claimed he said in the first place.

    Trump misquotes himself while claiming he was misquoted

    President Donald Trump on Sunday misquoted himself in a tweet complaining about how he had supposedly been misquoted in a scrutinized Wall Street Journal interview. The Journal soon released audio of the interview to prove the president said what it reported, and the White House followed up minutes later with a seemingly identical recording trying to prove the Journal wrong.

    http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/trum...was-misquoted/

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    It's his Sally Field moment. "You like me! You really like me!"

    Trump Delivers a Hollow, Self-Congratulatory Speech to Farmers in Nashville


    Donald Trump is big with the farmers. How big? Just ask him. “Oh, are you happy you voted for me,” the president cooed during his speech at the American Farm Bureau Federation’s 99th annual convention in Nashville on Monday. “Oh, you are so lucky I gave you that privilege.”


    The Farm Bureau is a powerful lobbying organization with sprawling insurance interests and strong ties to agribusiness. US presidents have an open invitation to address the group’s big meet-up; Trump was the first to take the bait in a quarter century.

    http://www.motherjones.com/food/2018...au-federation/


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I lived in Hawaii for about half a year back in the 1990s, and I can tell you that it is absolutely frightening when the sirens go off (it was a Tsunami warning at that time). You don't really understand how alone, isolated, and trapped you are on those Islands until it sinks in that you cannot just hop into your car and leave to someplace safer.
    Depending on the event the topography though could be very advantageous. I’d guess tsunamis would be terrifying due to ocean depth but very high ground is also available.

    Nukes would be blunted by mountains. Many islands might be untouched. Plus fallout in the ocean would get washed away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I lived in Hawaii for about half a year back in the 1990s, and I can tell you that it is absolutely frightening when the sirens go off (it was a Tsunami warning at that time). You don't really understand how alone, isolated, and trapped you are on those Islands until it sinks in that you cannot just hop into your car and leave to someplace safer.

    I hated living in Victoria for the reason, I felt very isolated..and you're right, I cant imagine the sirens going off like that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I lived in Hawaii for about half a year back in the 1990s, and I can tell you that it is absolutely frightening when the sirens go off (it was a Tsunami warning at that time). You don't really understand how alone, isolated, and trapped you are on those Islands until it sinks in that you cannot just hop into your car and leave to someplace safer.

    I hated living in Victoria for the reason, I felt very isolated..and you're right, I cant imagine the sirens going off like that..
    We had sirens here too.

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