While not all users are with the right intent, the ones on Whyte are well kept, functional, safe and effective.
While not all users are with the right intent, the ones on Whyte are well kept, functional, safe and effective.
Well, there's a better than average temporary in the Michael Phair pocket park - back by the alley. Not sure the placement is the safest, but time will tell.
As for ADP, I look out on it and can say, most arena events the foot traffic is up and down 104 Street, leaving the design argument aside, not sure a biffy there would be well used by concert or hockey game fans.
... gobsmacked
I would not use it there ever. Just saying. There has to be a better way - maybe build into the LRT platforms on 102nd?? and other stations? That way people are around meaning built in security.Originally Posted by McBoo
These are everywhere in Amsterdam, like pretty much every corner along the waters, and other countries in Europe
They're great because they're private from mid-chest down but you can see through the bars at the top. So you can see if someone's using it, and if you're inside, you can see if someone's coming near it.
These next ones are strange
Some places have them permanently setup with tarp fence boxed around them for semi privacy like in the picture. They're usually setup in clumps all over a large area when there's an event going on. I was at Karnival in Dusseldorf and they were just dropped everywhere, out in the open. It was super weird taking a leak and just looking around at the crowd surrounding you while you pee. But in that little nook, nobody can see anything. I thought it was fantastic. Both of these have hand sanitizer pumps nearby for when you're done. Some of the grey standalone ones had the pumps mounted to the sides of them. Not sure if you can tell by the picture, but each one of these has 4 urinals. So very tall guys can have a chat while taking a leak lol
This is of course a pro for men only, and women have porta-potties to use which according to my wife were very clean. Probably because no men were tinkling on the seats.
Yes it's strange to use these when everyone is around and can see you, but nobody cared. It was normal.
Other public washrooms I encountered were permanent installations. I saw most of these in Paris. A small box with a door that had a toilet and sink inside. The older ones were sketchy, dirty, and sometimes you opened the door to a homeless man sleeping inside, or it was locked for a long time for the same reason.
The newer high-tech ones were ok. You press a button, the door opens, then you press a button to close and lock it behind you. You then have 15 minutes to do your business or the door will automatically open. You can override it ONCE to get an extra 5 minutes then it opens no matter what. Once you leave, the door closes and the bathroom cleans itself which takes about 2 minutes. The toilet and sink retract into the walls and get sprayed with soap, rinsed and dried. Meanwhile, the walls and floor also get a spray wash. The water drains into the floor drains, the toilet and sink come back out, and then the button outside turns green showing that the next person can use it now. I can only imagine how expensive they are to build and maintain. And yes they're heated when it's cold out. Another issue with these is that they malfunction, and sometimes there's an "out of order" light outside and the door won't open. I saw this many times before I actually got to use a working one.
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“You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012
"Yes it's strange to use these when everyone is around and can see you, but nobody cared. It was normal."
Of course it is. When did people develop such phobias about need for privacy in relieving themselves?
I can't quite figure it but the younger generation seems to be more averse. more and more I see youth that refuse to even use a urinal. They have to go into a private stall, to take a P.
The former Edmonton Gardens had interesting urinals. There wasn't any. There were Cinder block painted walls (often repainted) that you just ****** on and with a floor impression trough and drain below. It was simply one continuous wall of the washroom, just **** on the wall. I kind of felt like I needed permission the first time (I was a kid) but that's what it was.
People seem to need so much edifice now. Scented splendor, towelletes, no touch controls, and privacy walls.
"if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"
Many pubs in UK are just that - a porcelain wall with a trough at the bottom. Whizz away, lads.
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Edmonton aims to improve access to public toilets
Safer and cleaner public washrooms could be hitting Edmonton streets but it could take up to 10 years to accomplish that, a city report shows.
In the City-Wide Public Washroom Strategy, the city acknowledges Edmontonians have "general preference to avoid using public washrooms." The new strategy aims to make washrooms more accessible and fix some of the common complaints from the public.
Safety, cleanliness and lack of running water are the main issues people have, according to the report.
Milmine said she has used the public washroom at Churchill station.
"That was pretty gross and I've also used the one at the Coliseum station, that is also terrifying and gross," she said. "The kind of stuff that's in there that has nothing to do with the bathroom business is just disturbing. Lots of garbage, needles."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ooms-1.5105413
A rock and a hard place. We need them, but when we provide them, they misused, destroyed, items stolen from them etc.
Bums are slowly taking over the city. No more public washrooms, please, They just get destroyed by bums.
Dirty, crazy, stinky, lazy, disrespectful, violent, awful bums.
One thing that's nice is that the washrooms in the downtown Tim Hortons are monitored more closely.
"Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.
Pretty soon we'll be like San Francisco, poop all over the place. Then we will need to have a poop patrol to clean it up. It's bad in SF !
police and business association say whyte bathrooms arent safe
I guess when given the choice of risking a $500 fine in a private alleyway versus going in a glass box filled with transients doing drugs, many people, especially those genders that have a penis, choose the alleyway.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...oms-arent-safe
Yeah, Top_Dawg finds the one next to Chicago Deep Dish to be quite suitable.
http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/
I wonder how many of these people who use the washrooms actually go to the bars? It seems like the troublemakers just show up.
"Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.
The article pretty clearly stated that many bar patrons are continuing to urinate in alleys instead of using the public washroom.
^Correct. Much of the issue is our expanding entertainment scene, and not street people. That was the reason for temporary washroom pilot at Michael Phair Park and other locations last year. However, there was still some vandalism, something City has to take into consideration with any permanent solution.
www.decl.org
I don't recall people urinating wherever they pleased. It's gross. The nightclub opposite the Alta visits condos, they stumble out of there, and my daughter sees them urinating on their lawns, throwing up on the flowers etc, and they have to do needle patrol in the morning..because they use the parking lot, to shoot up..
There is no respect for other peoples property..none.
Animals are my passion.
Here is a simple solution... Just have porta-pottys available at heavy bar districts.
No heat and no room for homeless folks to sleep. Also low maintenance.
Also nowhere to put them except on sidewalks.
I am in no way entitled to your opinion...
really dont understand how bar patrons keep doing this. when i frequented the bar scene, i would use the restroom right before leaving. Get a cab and then go home.
Some guys just can’t handle their booze. They drive, they ****, they simply become weak minded.
And of course, those very same guys would get all indignant if something similar ever happened to their property.
As I’ve said, I’d love to walk up to some graffiti vandal and spray paint on their shirt to see how they’d react.
I wonder how many of these people actually live nearby.
"Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.
And what if you can't get a cab right away? Or you end up getting some street food first? And the ugly lights have come on in the bar, meaning you aren't getting back in?
There does need to be some sort of public washrooms in the entertainment areas. But it's definitely a tough nut to crack, with the concerns about mis-use, drug use and so on.
Maybe they can have Depends vending machines in bars.
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It’s a bit of a chicken and egg thing. Or as they say: Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. Society has never found enough reason to suitably help out addicts and homeless on the street, so making a case for taxpayers spending big bucks on people that have far more choice, money and mental capacity to avoid the situation is going to be a lot harder. Ninety plus percent of people would see no excuse for this behaviour because they themselves have managed to avoid it. It may not be right or effective but that’s how people think.And what if you can't get a cab right away? Or you end up getting some street food first? And the ugly lights have come on in the bar, meaning you aren't getting back in?
There does need to be some sort of public washrooms in the entertainment areas. But it's definitely a tough nut to crack, with the concerns about mis-use, drug use and so on.
Basically if you can afford to drink in a bar you can solve your own problem. Maybe just jack up the fine to a few thousand bucks. Everyone has cameras today so they can expect the odds of getting nailed are increasing daily.
Now. If this issue were about providing facilities to the homeless... why haven’t we solved the whole issue by now?
Well that was $600,000 well spent
And of course, those very same guys would get all indignant if something similar ever happened to their property.
As I’ve said, I’d love to walk up to some graffiti vandal and spray paint on their shirt to see how they’d react.
Yes, me too!
Animals are my passion.
Our homeless sleep under newspaper, if there is a roof on those porta- pottys , they'll use them..and who can blame them.
Animals are my passion.
Anyway, who goes to bars anymore? The guys with landlines and newspaper delivery?
Just turn on the big screen and get a drone to drop off a bottle next to the couch. Keep the last empty ready for a refill.
Maybe bars should hand out doggy poop bags.
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