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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
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    haha, this is great, hilarious as well. I just called this 2 days ago in a post here that this would occur. I didn't think it would occur this quickly. Now this is the disgruntled wildrosers. Imagine if the disgruntled Cons start another pop up con party. lol we could have 3-4 right parties in the election instead of the previous 2. Some amalgamating..
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    To form the new party, the group has to either collect 7,868 signatures from Albertans supportive of its creation, have three MLAs cross the floor, or register 44 candidates with Elections Alberta in the next provincial election.



    Hmm, good luck with that! LOL!

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    Option C, 44 candidates. How hard will that be to do with 2yrs to plan? This is wildrosers were talking about. They don't set the bar real high. Any deluded ***** would suffice. I'm not convinced version 1.0 or 2.0 turns anybody away.
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    Their new motto will be "Shoot, shovel and shut up"

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    ^ No just Shut up and distance themselves from Bill 6.

    I hope they don't resurrect Brian Jean. DM, now that's something that would attract me to the party.
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    There were only 50( if that) at the meeting, and the gal from Red Deer sounded half asleep..lol.
    This won't fly. Is the Rhino party still as live and well?

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    If the WR/PC merger does turn out to be the electoral powerhouse that everyone is predicting, I wouldn't expect the "Alberta Advantage" to have much traction. In their heyday, the PCs were not much bothered by the Socred remnants, the Western Canada Concept Party, the Represntative Party Of Alberta, or any of the various cliques and factions leading up to the formation of Wildrose. And even Wildrose itself is now having to merge into the PCs in order to maintain any sort of relevance.

    For all its reputation as being All Right-Wing All The Time, Alberta has never been particularly kind to parties to the right of the Tories. I don't think that's likely to change now, especially if people are chompin' at the bit to get rid of the NDP come next election.

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    Guess we know where the lion's share of people fleeing the "united" right will be ending up...
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    To form the new party, the group has to either collect 7,868 signatures from Albertans supportive of its creation, have three MLAs cross the floor, or register 44 candidates with Elections Alberta in the next provincial election.



    Hmm, good luck with that! LOL!
    Yeah, this new party is about as likely to be taken serious as the Alberta Liberals are, I find it funny all the "glee" from the socialists on here that the right is supposedly dividing because a handful of people try to form a party - shows how much desperation there is right now about the upcoming end of the NDP nightmare

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    The right wing has lost 12% of its base since April, so perhaps things aren't quite so rosy between the "subsidize big oil" and "burn the queers" branches of the "united" right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    To form the new party, the group has to either collect 7,868 signatures from Albertans supportive of its creation, have three MLAs cross the floor, or register 44 candidates with Elections Alberta in the next provincial election.



    Hmm, good luck with that! LOL!
    Yeah, this new party is about as likely to be taken serious as the Alberta Liberals are, I find it funny all the "glee" from the socialists on here that the right is supposedly dividing because a handful of people try to form a party - shows how much desperation there is right now about the upcoming end of the NDP nightmare
    I'm always delighted when the lefties appear upset.lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    I'm always delighted when the lefties appear upset.lol.
    Which is why you're an illiberal, not a conservative. Just like moahunter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    The right wing has lost 12% of its base since April, so perhaps things aren't quite so rosy between the "subsidize big oil" and "burn the queers" branches of the "united" right?
    Yup, down to 57% of decided or leaning Albertan's, scary stuff...

    The brand new United Conservative Party would form a majority government in Alberta if an election were held today, according to a poll released Tuesday.


    The United Conservative Party (UCP) came into being just over a week ago when members of the Wildrose and Progressive Conservative parties voted overwhelmingly to fold their tents and join forces to take on the NDP in the 2019 election.


    The poll by Mainstreet suggests that was a smart move.


    It found that the UCP has the support of 57 per cent of Albertans among decided and leaning voters.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...port-1.4230342

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    To form the new party, the group has to either collect 7,868 signatures from Albertans supportive of its creation, have three MLAs cross the floor, or register 44 candidates with Elections Alberta in the next provincial election.



    Hmm, good luck with that! LOL!
    Yeah, this new party is about as likely to be taken serious as the Alberta Liberals are, I find it funny all the "glee" from the socialists on here that the right is supposedly dividing because a handful of people try to form a party - shows how much desperation there is right now about the upcoming end of the NDP nightmare
    I loved it when they said Brian Jean just left them, he asked WR members, who is this new stupid party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    I loved it when they said Brian Jean just left them, he asked WR members, who is this new stupid party?
    Yup - 90% of WR members voted for merger, so I guess its about half of the disaffected 10% (who make up about 2% of the province voters).

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    ^correction: 95% of members who bothered to vote voted in favour of a merger. That's a lot less than 90% of members once you count those who didn't bother to cast a ballot.
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    The "conservative" posters on here haven't been conservative for a long time. They don't have any actual goals other than wanting to see liberals lose. They'd eat dog crap if a liberal had to smell their breath. I respect conservatives and their views, I don't respect the fake conservatives on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoForMayor View Post
    ^correction: 95% of members who bothered to vote voted in favour of a merger. That's a lot less than 90% of members once you count those who didn't bother to cast a ballot.
    Yes, but the question is, if they HAD voted, how which way would they have gone? Is there any reason to assume that all those people who stayed home wanted the parties to remain separate, any more than the people who voted did?

    Focus on low turnout by people dissatisfied with the outcome of a ballot always strikes me as whistling past the graveyard. In my experience, people who stay home usually aren't trying to register some point about the issue at hand; they're just either too apathetic or too lazy to cast a ballot.

    And I say all this as someone who would very much like the conservative vote to split in the next election.

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    At least on the Conservative side with their low threshold I know there was a strong feeling among people that it was inevitable, and that might have caused some to give up.

    I doubt that there's much of that on the wildrose side, not only because of their higher threshold but because the signals so far are that the new party is very much a wildrose takeover of the PCs. maybe after they select a leader and have an actual platform they might lose more on the right, but not yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoForMayor View Post
    ^correction: 95% of members who bothered to vote voted in favour of a merger. That's a lot less than 90% of members once you count those who didn't bother to cast a ballot.
    Yes, but the question is, if they HAD voted, how which way would they have gone? Is there any reason to assume that all those people who stayed home wanted the parties to remain separate, any more than the people who voted did?

    Focus on low turnout by people dissatisfied with the outcome of a ballot always strikes me as whistling past the graveyard. In my experience, people who stay home usually aren't trying to register some point about the issue at hand; they're just either too apathetic or too lazy to cast a ballot.

    And I say all this as someone who would very much like the conservative vote to split in the next election.
    We could speculate for days. Maybe it would have been an overwhelming merge if everyone voted. Maybe it was only Kenney shills that voted to pass it. Maybe true PC and WRP people were prepared to jump ship so they didn't bother. Maybe the wild success was the left buying memberships to pass the merger knowing the unity would spur more right with parties. Relatively pointless to speculate. The only thing we know is that only half of members voted for whatever reason, and that there are indeed sideshows in production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    The "conservative" posters on here haven't been conservative for a long time. They don't have any actual goals other than wanting to see liberals lose. They'd eat dog crap if a liberal had to smell their breath. I respect conservatives and their views, I don't respect the fake conservatives on this forum.
    I could write that most of the Liberal posters on here haven't been Liberal for very long, and their only goal is for NDP to win. Its a pretty silly statement, and I don't think its true - there is quite a bit of evidence that your political leaning is actually genetic more than anything else, often kids separate at birth meet years later and have the exact same views. Alberta, being a hard working / successful province, attracts conservative's from across Canada and across the world, and Alberta has one of the highest standards of living in the world because of it. We won't be able to continue to afford that though, without some significant rationalization of government services, and a cut in red tape / bureaucracy to get capital investment back to levels pre the Notley government. Both Jean and Kenney promise that, no more hidden deals for carbon taxes with the Federal Liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    The right wing has lost 12% of its base since April, so perhaps things aren't quite so rosy between the "subsidize big oil" and "burn the queers" branches of the "united" right?
    Yup, down to 57% of decided or leaning Albertan's, scary stuff...

    The brand new United Conservative Party would form a majority government in Alberta if an election were held today, according to a poll released Tuesday.


    The United Conservative Party (UCP) came into being just over a week ago when members of the Wildrose and Progressive Conservative parties voted overwhelmingly to fold their tents and join forces to take on the NDP in the 2019 election.


    The poll by Mainstreet suggests that was a smart move.


    It found that the UCP has the support of 57 per cent of Albertans among decided and leaning voters.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...port-1.4230342
    Again with the polls! Who answers the phone these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    The right wing has lost 12% of its base since April, so perhaps things aren't quite so rosy between the "subsidize big oil" and "burn the queers" branches of the "united" right?
    Yup, down to 57% of decided or leaning Albertan's, scary stuff...

    The brand new United Conservative Party would form a majority government in Alberta if an election were held today, according to a poll released Tuesday.


    The United Conservative Party (UCP) came into being just over a week ago when members of the Wildrose and Progressive Conservative parties voted overwhelmingly to fold their tents and join forces to take on the NDP in the 2019 election.


    The poll by Mainstreet suggests that was a smart move.


    It found that the UCP has the support of 57 per cent of Albertans among decided and leaning voters.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...port-1.4230342

    Again with the polls! Who answers the phone these days?
    MY guess nobody, however this was done as most, by email..:P

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    ^ and moahunter and H.L. too!
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    This party will go the way of Social Credit, pretty much nothing. However I think their name is FAR better than UCP's though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    This party will go the way of Social Credit, pretty much nothing. However I think their name is FAR better than UCP's though.
    Every time I hear the name UCP, I have to go urinate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    ^ and moahunter and H.L. too!
    You called old Bill, anything but bitching to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
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    At 43 my son is hardly old, or a stupid lefty! Get over it, the NDP are on.the,way.out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    The "conservative" posters on here haven't been conservative for a long time. They don't have any actual goals other than wanting to see liberals lose. They'd eat dog crap if a liberal had to smell their breath. I respect conservatives and their views, I don't respect the fake conservatives on this forum.
    I could write that most of the Liberal posters on here haven't been Liberal for very long, and their only goal is for NDP to win. Its a pretty silly statement, and I don't think its true - there is quite a bit of evidence that your political leaning is actually genetic more than anything else, often kids separate at birth meet years later and have the exact same views. Alberta, being a hard working / successful province, attracts conservative's from across Canada and across the world, and Alberta has one of the highest standards of living in the world because of it. We won't be able to continue to afford that though, without some significant rationalization of government services, and a cut in red tape / bureaucracy to get capital investment back to levels pre the Notley government. Both Jean and Kenney promise that, no more hidden deals for carbon taxes with the Federal Liberals.
    Jason sent a neat survey tonight, later I spoke with him.My son hopes to meet with him next week. He sounds great, let the dippers dry their little eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    The "conservative" posters on here haven't been conservative for a long time. They don't have any actual goals other than wanting to see liberals lose. They'd eat dog crap if a liberal had to smell their breath. I respect conservatives and their views, I don't respect the fake conservatives on this forum.
    I could write that most of the Liberal posters on here haven't been Liberal for very long, and their only goal is for NDP to win. Its a pretty silly statement, and I don't think its true - there is quite a bit of evidence that your political leaning is actually genetic more than anything else, often kids separate at birth meet years later and have the exact same views. Alberta, being a hard working / successful province, attracts conservative's from across Canada and across the world, and Alberta has one of the highest standards of living in the world because of it. We won't be able to continue to afford that though, without some significant rationalization of government services, and a cut in red tape / bureaucracy to get capital investment back to levels pre the Notley government. Both Jean and Kenney promise that, no more hidden deals for carbon taxes with the Federal Liberals.
    Jason sent a neat survey tonight, later I spoke with him.My son hopes to meet with him next week. He sounds great, let the dippers dry their little eyes...
    This was interesting.


    Jason Kenney: 23 years of advocacy for free speech, tax reform and the West - Calgary - CBC News

    Excerpts:

    Tax and pension reform

    One of Kenney's earliest appearances in the CBC Calgary archives comes from 1993, when he was acting as a taxpayer watchdog and calling for reform of the generous pension plans for MLAs of the day — some of whom were "double dipping" by receiving both a retirement payout and a salary at the same time.
    ...





    " In another parallel to the past, the debate over whether Alberta should adopt a provincial sales tax was raging in 1994 as strongly as it is today — or even more so.

    While provincial bureaucrats studied the idea of a PST, most Albertans were dead set against it, but Kenney took what could have been an unpopular position at the time, suggesting a consumption tax may have merit — but only if it went hand-in-hand with tax reductions elsewhere.

    "If we were to look at drastically reducing personal income tax, people might prefer that as a trade-off for a small sales tax," he told CBC News at the time. "


    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/c...tage-1.3670550


    Bolding was mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    This party will go the way of Social Credit, pretty much nothing. However I think their name is FAR better than UCP's though.
    Well, minus the 36 years(or indeed, ANY amount of time) in power.

    As for the name, it's okay, though it does leave them open to the impression that they're necrophilizing the Klein era. I also think "Advantage Alberta" would sound a little more sleek.

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    Hmm, on the other hand...

    "I'm voting AA."

    Well, the first step is to admit you have a problem.
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    haha, well done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    The "conservative" posters on here haven't been conservative for a long time. They don't have any actual goals other than wanting to see liberals lose. They'd eat dog crap if a liberal had to smell their breath. I respect conservatives and their views, I don't respect the fake conservatives on this forum.
    I could write that most of the Liberal posters on here haven't been Liberal for very long, and their only goal is for NDP to win. Its a pretty silly statement, and I don't think its true - there is quite a bit of evidence that your political leaning is actually genetic more than anything else, often kids separate at birth meet years later and have the exact same views. Alberta, being a hard working / successful province, attracts conservative's from across Canada and across the world, and Alberta has one of the highest standards of living in the world because of it. We won't be able to continue to afford that though, without some significant rationalization of government services, and a cut in red tape / bureaucracy to get capital investment back to levels pre the Notley government. Both Jean and Kenney promise that, no more hidden deals for carbon taxes with the Federal Liberals.
    Jason sent a neat survey tonight, later I spoke with him.My son hopes to meet with him next week. He sounds great, let the dippers dry their little eyes...
    This was interesting.


    Jason Kenney: 23 years of advocacy for free speech, tax reform and the West - Calgary - CBC News

    Excerpts:

    Tax and pension reform

    One of Kenney's earliest appearances in the CBC Calgary archives comes from 1993, when he was acting as a taxpayer watchdog and calling for reform of the generous pension plans for MLAs of the day — some of whom were "double dipping" by receiving both a retirement payout and a salary at the same time.
    ...





    " In another parallel to the past, the debate over whether Alberta should adopt a provincial sales tax was raging in 1994 as strongly as it is today — or even more so.

    While provincial bureaucrats studied the idea of a PST, most Albertans were dead set against it, but Kenney took what could have been an unpopular position at the time, suggesting a consumption tax may have merit — but only if it went hand-in-hand with tax reductions elsewhere.

    "If we were to look at drastically reducing personal income tax, people might prefer that as a trade-off for a small sales tax," he told CBC News at the time. "


    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/c...tage-1.3670550


    Bolding was mine
    This seemed oddly coincidental to me.

    Anyway. If you followed the rules for pensionable service and so 'earned' a pension why shouldn't you be allowed to take it?

    Elizabeth Thompson · Senior Reporter · CBC News
    August 3, 2017

    Dozens of MPs also collecting government pensions - Politics - CBC News

    http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics...ment-1.4231986
    Last edited by KC; 04-08-2017 at 10:05 AM.

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