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    Shania Twain - Rogers Place - May 9 and 10

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    Anyone hear anything about Eminem coming to Edmonton next year?
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    Saw something on Facebook. So yes I did if it's real....

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    I saw it too but so far nothing official, not sure how legit it is.
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    Sounds like that was a bit of fake Facebook news
    https://boxden.com/showthread.php?t=2521195
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    Feb 15 at Rogers Place: Avenged Sevenfold, Breaking Benjamin and Bullet For My Valentine
    http://www.rogersplace.com/avenged-s...ruary-15-2018/

    Sounds like a shiny happy show!
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    I went to the Roger Waters concert last night. I got kicked out at the intermission.
    Here is my email to Rogers Place I just sent:


    Greetings,

    This letter is directed to Rogers Place security.

    I attended the Rogers Waters concert on Tuesday October 24, 2017.

    My ticket is Section 117, Row 23, Seat 12.

    The intermission for the concert was approximately at 9:00 pm. I went to the washroom and upon returning to my seat there were about a half dozen police and security outside the section entrance. I was told there has been a complaint against me and I will no longer be allowed to stay for the concert. A security personnel retrieved my jacket from my seat. I was escorted out by security to the LRT station.

    Perhaps because I was shocked at the heavy-handed security, I did not plead my case to your personnel as I would of liked at the time.

    Yes, I was drinking beer but I was never vulgar or unruly towards the folks in my section. At times I was standing, dancing, playing air guitar but I did not block anyone's view as there was a wall behind my row.

    My question is why was I not given a fair warning to settle down (even though it's a rock concert) after someone complained? I was basically told to get out of the arena with no specific explanation other than "there was a complaint". Was there more than one complaint?

    Was I, a fifty year old non-muscular Chinese Pink Floyd fan, a major security threat that warranted the attention of at least two Edmonton Police and four Rogers security officials?

    Pink Floyd and Rogers Waters is the one concert I will pay to attend. I am a diehard lifelong fan. Maybe I was too enthusiastic and the alcohol fueled my excitement. Is that a major crime? I was feeling good yet not being belligerent or aggressive in any way.

    I am disappointed I missed the second half of the show as I heard it was awesome.

    But I am very disappointed in the way I was treated by security at Rogers Place. If I was told to tone it down and park my bum in the seat I would of complied (even though it's a rock concert).

    You folks ruined my evening, a night I looked forward to for over a year. Is this the way Rogers Place administer the "fan experience"?

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    That's really unfortunate, if you were not being a jerk and your removal was unjustified. Second half of the show was spectacular, although I'm a huge Animals fan, so I'm certainly biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
    I went to the Roger Waters concert last night. I got kicked out at the intermission.
    Here is my email to Rogers Place I just sent:


    Greetings,

    This letter is directed to Rogers Place security.

    I attended the Rogers Waters concert on Tuesday October 24, 2017.

    My ticket is Section 117, Row 23, Seat 12.

    The intermission for the concert was approximately at 9:00 pm. I went to the washroom and upon returning to my seat there were about a half dozen police and security outside the section entrance. I was told there has been a complaint against me and I will no longer be allowed to stay for the concert. A security personnel retrieved my jacket from my seat. I was escorted out by security to the LRT station.

    Perhaps because I was shocked at the heavy-handed security, I did not plead my case to your personnel as I would of liked at the time.

    Yes, I was drinking beer but I was never vulgar or unruly towards the folks in my section. At times I was standing, dancing, playing air guitar but I did not block anyone's view as there was a wall behind my row.

    My question is why was I not given a fair warning to settle down (even though it's a rock concert) after someone complained? I was basically told to get out of the arena with no specific explanation other than "there was a complaint". Was there more than one complaint?

    Was I, a fifty year old non-muscular Chinese Pink Floyd fan, a major security threat that warranted the attention of at least two Edmonton Police and four Rogers security officials?

    Pink Floyd and Rogers Waters is the one concert I will pay to attend. I am a diehard lifelong fan. Maybe I was too enthusiastic and the alcohol fueled my excitement. Is that a major crime? I was feeling good yet not being belligerent or aggressive in any way.

    I am disappointed I missed the second half of the show as I heard it was awesome.

    But I am very disappointed in the way I was treated by security at Rogers Place. If I was told to tone it down and park my bum in the seat I would of complied (even though it's a rock concert).

    You folks ruined my evening, a night I looked forward to for over a year. Is this the way Rogers Place administer the "fan experience"?
    Brutal and unjustified mate. Sorry to hear.
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    This is why Top_Dawg avoids crowds like the plague.


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    @Northguy. My sympathies.

    Its why I don't even prefer to attend such events in such facilities. The concept of rock is truly dead, debauchery dead, celebration at such events dead. Its been replaced with metal detectors, gated entries, screening, monitoring, and complete with arbitrary rules and application thereof. Add to this ticketmaster controls, pricing, and an elaborate "Industry" and its just not the same thing. Its sadder still that an avante garde longterm artist like Waters, that had come from a wild and eclectic scene in London gets to see this nonstop corporate sickery on display. So sanctioned, so sanctified. Clap on command, rattle jewelry, its the Beatles playing at Royal Albert. That sad, staid delivery has become the mode of popular entertainment events. So many possibilities were better.

    So ironic as well that counter culture is so completely subverted to product means. Who needs thought control? No, just saturation bombing of packaged product. Doesn't matter the product, Waters meets Katy Perry, industry marches sadly on.

    I LOVE Pink Floyd, LOVE Roger Waters, I've gone to Pink Floyd but never Waters and I decided again not to, because I just don't want to see such an artist in such a pop bred venue. heh, I also don't want to see myself age..

    I'll put on a DVD, put on an album, I've heard the catalog so much and loved it so much I don't want any event to provide an alternate, and possibly unsettling lasting memory. The work stands on its own, so well, its already taken me to the places I wanted it to countless times.

    I think I'll go listen to Wish you were here. Or Wish I was there.

    cheers
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    Thank you all for your understanding.

    I thought I might get some backlash such as "two sides to every story", blah, blah. Anyone who knows me expects me to account for all of my stories.

    On Wednesday afternoon, two hours after I sent the email to Rogers Place, I got a reply:

    Good afternoon,

    Thank you for your email. We will take a look into this for you and have someone follow up with you.

    Thank you.

    Regards,
    Rogers Place Ticket Services Team
    So far no further response. I will keep you all updated.

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    One item that keeps popping up in my Facebook feed is a Day of the Dead tour coming to Edmonton on March 2.
    https://www.facebook.com/events/120522068665194/

    No venue, no indication of who is running it, and months after the real celebration. FB posters are sounding off about what appears to be cultural misappropriation. Anyone heard of this?
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    Queens Of The Stone Age with Royal Blood on May18th at Rogers. This will be my 8th Queens show, they never disappoint.

    Is anyone else suprised they are headlining arenas now? They are a little too big for Shaw type venues but I cannot see them selling out arenas even with Royal Blood on the ticket.

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    That is an insane lineup for rock fans. I wonder if it'll be a half-bowl at Rogers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    That is an insane lineup for rock fans. I wonder if it'll be a half-bowl at Rogers?
    Ticketmaster is showing the layout as the full concert bowl. Should be an echofest.

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    They headline massive concert festivals all over the place. They are definitely on the Rogers Place level these days.

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    Unfortunate that it's on the Friday of the long weekend, as I'm typically in Jasper that night. They definitely put on a very good live show, and Villains is a great album. Still one of my favorite shows at Rexall was NIN/QOTSA/DFA 10 or so years ago. Now THAT was a lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Still one of my favorite shows at Rexall was NIN/QOTSA/DFA 10 or so years ago. Now THAT was a lineup.
    I still get flashbacks to how awesome that show was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chmilz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Still one of my favorite shows at Rexall was NIN/QOTSA/DFA 10 or so years ago. Now THAT was a lineup.
    I still get flashbacks to how awesome that show was.
    That show was amazing.

    Looks like they are only opening the lower bowl for this show which is understandable. Hopefully that does not affect the sound.

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    Foo Fighters coming Sep 8. 2018 shaping up nicely for rock fans.
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    Edmonton's Purity Ring will be opening for Katy Perry's US tour. Any word of the tour coming this way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
    I went to the Roger Waters concert last night. I got kicked out at the intermission.
    Here is my email to Rogers Place I just sent:
    I finally got a response two weeks after I sent the email to Rogers Place.

    I got a phone call from the Director of Security for Rogers Place. She wanted to hear my side of the story so I basically retold what I wrote in my email.

    I also mentioned that when I first arrived to my seat, a mid-20s female sitting beside me shifted over one seat (there was an empty seat in our row) so that now there was a space between her and I. After 3-4 songs she traded seats with her boyfriend so he was now adjacent with me. I can tell she was not happy to be at the concert, she must of been dragged to it by the boyfriend. I think it was her that complained to security. Moody millennials

    The security director already interviewed the officials involved with my ejection that night. After hearing my story, she agreed the response by security was very heavy-handed. It should of been handled and communicated more effectively. She is going to use my incident to train staff on "event appropriate" crowd interaction. She mentioned too about Rogers should do better to cater to the "fan experience".

    The Rogers Security Director said she has only been on the job for 5 months. She is still trying to get a understanding on how Rogers Place personnel operate.

    Reading between the lines from our conversation, I got the impression she was hired to fix issues. Also consider that the arena opened in September 2016, and in less than 7 months they already have a new security boss.

    She sounded very sincere that I was treated badly by Rogers Place staff. I told her I felt better after speaking to her.

    I then asked, "Is there a way you folks can compensate me for my bad experience?".

    She replied she has no control on ticket giveaways. But she gave me her email address and said next time I go to an event at Rogers, she will give me Rogers Bucks to spend for concessions.
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    So I'm curious, and I forget some of the details in your previous post but were the security who evicted you from the Roger Waters concert young? I ask this because I sometimes wonder about duplicity and unconscious complicity in serving the complaints of same aged individuals. I've seen this increasingly in many instances. From my recollection you're a bit older like myself. I wonder if any ageism was operating and that you were just perceived to be some inappropriate old fart that was automatically in the wrong and that they did evict you further to *service* the young complainant.

    There seems as well to be no obvious logic or intelligence in the decision making and generally in the world today and so that complainants get placated. Often times the complainants are the ones that could be redirected. Or at the very least told that there is nothing at all wrong with what X individual is doing and just enjoy the show like everybody else.

    Don't feel too much like anything will change. Security has always been overhanded at arenas and was at Rexall as well. What you tend to get is bottom of the barrel type security paid as little as possible that usually end up hating their job. Especially dealing with an endless amount of drunks that attend hockey and other events and do get out of hand.

    The last thing I'll mention is security in any environment, facility, in time approaches lack of patience and assumption of the worst. Because they've seen the worst possible behaviors any of us see. So a type of burnout occurs quickly whereby security are at some point treating reported people as if they are a significant problem whether they are or not. The process starts lacking treatment on a case by case basis. In likelihood you were also treated the way you were because of experiences with some similar others that had been dealt with at prior or current events.

    Police can often be the same. You can often get treated on the basis of their dealings with the last several calls they went out to.
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    I am 50. The 2 cops and 4 security were in their late 20s to 40.

    The youngest one, a female, was the most friendly and chatted with me as I was being escorted out. The next youngest was a police officer, likely a newbie. I remember looking straight in his eyes as I was being grilled by a Rogers guy. He had that same expression we get when our spouse is ranting and chewing out a waiter. The "C'mon, enough already!" look. The cops were not calling the shots, they were probably told to be backup.

    I don't believe it was ageism. Remember I am Chinese so I look 30.

    From my previous post, after talking to the Director of Security, I think there is a poor workplace culture at Rogers Place. Maybe the corporate mumbo jumbo gets to people's heads.

    I spoke to others who attended events at Rogers and they also feel a different vibe, security-wise, compared to Rexall and other major stadiums. I wonder if other folks on C2E feel the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    @Northguy. My sympathies.

    Its why I don't even prefer to attend such events in such facilities. The concept of rock is truly dead, debauchery dead, celebration at such events dead. Its been replaced with metal detectors, gated entries, screening, monitoring, and complete with arbitrary rules and application thereof. Add to this ticketmaster controls, pricing, and an elaborate "Industry" and its just not the same thing. Its sadder still that an avante garde longterm artist like Waters, that had come from a wild and eclectic scene in London gets to see this nonstop corporate sickery on display. So sanctioned, so sanctified. Clap on command, rattle jewelry, its the Beatles playing at Royal Albert. That sad, staid delivery has become the mode of popular entertainment events. So many possibilities were better.

    So ironic as well that counter culture is so completely subverted to product means. Who needs thought control? No, just saturation bombing of packaged product. Doesn't matter the product, Waters meets Katy Perry, industry marches sadly on.
    This is the root of the problem of major venue rock concerts. It is an industry first.

    Everyone is so concerned to please "The Man". And that includes Arena Security.

    It's ironic my incident happened at a Rogers Waters concert. The Wall album was conceived by Waters because "I loathed playing in stadiums ... I kept saying to people on that tour, 'I'm not really enjoying this ... there is something very wrong with this..'"
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    The Eagles.... May 15
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    RIGHT ON !!

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    I have much more respect for bands that leave via an Irish goodbye.
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    ^Genesis jumps to mind, but they will probably reunite for a farewell tour at some point.

    I'd love to see the Eagles live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    I'd love to see the Eagles live.

    You got lots of time.

    They'll still be playing in 2036.

    At the Century Casino.

    With Streetheart, Lover Boy, and Nazareth.

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    ^Don't forget Headpins and Chilliwack! Canadian casino staples :P
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    I thought The Eagles disbanded after Glenn Frey died but it looks like his son plus Vince Gill are filling in.
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    Jubilee Auditorium
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    CONCERT ANNOUNCEMENT: An Evening with Bon Iver is coming to the Northern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium in Edmonton on May 28, 2018. Tickets go on sale this Friday March 16, 2018 at 10:00 AM through Ticketmaster. #yeg #boniver

    Naturally I'll be in an airplane likely without wifi when this goes on sale, so when it sells out I'll have to pay through the nose to get into this show. First time here in like 6 years. 1st time post-grammy wins.

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    Who ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post


    Who ?
    King of the hipsters, basically. I definitely wouldn't expect to see Top_Dawg there.

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    Looks like Edmonton is finally getting an outdoor concert festival in Kinsmen Park!

    http://soundtrackmusicfestival.com/

    They officially announce all the details tomorrow, but if you google Soundtrack Music Festival Edmonton the 1st search result says June 23rd at Kinsmen Park. $89.99/ticket and the lineup is:

    Goo Goo Dolls
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    Spice Girls cover band
    Notorious YEG
    and hosted by Master T (from Muchmusic in the 90s)

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    Fleetwood Mac, Nov 10
    Not the classic lineup though, not since Buckingham was turfed in favor of Finn and Campbell.
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    And K-days with Lil Jon, Beach Boys, Ice Cube, The Rural Alberta Advantage, July Talk, and probably a few more I'm forgetting.

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    The Village People!

    Pretty eclectic lineup this year. I like it. Something for everyone.

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    I think July Talk is actually at Interstellar, not K Days. Either way they're here that week.

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    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    SLOOO-OOO-AAAAAAN!

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    First I read Slooow haaaand!

    I was disappointed that Clapton was not coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
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    CONCERT ANNOUNCEMENT: An Evening with Bon Iver is coming to the Northern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium in Edmonton on May 28, 2018. Tickets go on sale this Friday March 16, 2018 at 10:00 AM through Ticketmaster. #yeg #boniver

    Naturally I'll be in an airplane likely without wifi when this goes on sale, so when it sells out I'll have to pay through the nose to get into this show. First time here in like 6 years. 1st time post-grammy wins.
    Went to this last night. Absolutely fantastic show for anybody who is even a little bit of a fan. All the nuance and samples on the album were there and recreated live, not just played on a backing track. Every member of the band played at least 4 instruments, sometimes multiples simultaneously. True artists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    First I read Slooow haaaand!

    I was disappointed that Clapton was not coming.

    Well if does go back on tour I'll be sure to go as given his health problems it could very well be his last.
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    Paul McCartney
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    Sept 30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
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    Not quite sold out, but according to Ticketmaster there's only about 3 seats left.
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    Awww crap!!! Just read in the Journal that Aurora put on a free concert last night with the "Cult" headling?!!! Wtf?! Did anybody go? Did I read that right? Or is it this Friday? Would have loved to have seen them.....haven't seen them since Gn'R opened for them in "87 and again when they headlined in "88 with Bonham opening....

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    Pretty sure it was on Friday the 13th and it seemed to be some kind of private event.

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    Pretty sure it was on Friday the 13th and it seemed to be some kind of private event.
    I think it was possible to get tickets to it. I did see something where you had to apply and just fill out a request. I didn't bother so don't know all the details. Cult are 30yrs removed from being anything more than showing in small shows. Really not a relevant act anymore and could have been just as easily playing at KDays.

    Saw them in 87 when they were interesting. Really they were even jumping the shark around that time. I think too much exposure to 80's hair bands ruined this act. They went from Death metal, being interesting, to overnight sensation, and then to some basic rock formula albums that were indistinguishable. Being that they sold out 30yrs ago they joined the scrap heap of where are they now.
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    They were kind of part of the early-80s new-wave goth scene when they started, but were never death metal. They evolved into a hard rock band, but were never really "metal".

    They peaked in the late-80s and got unspeakably stagnant after that, but all of their 80s albums are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    They were kind of part of the early-80s new-wave goth scene when they started, but were never death metal. They evolved into a hard rock band, but were never really "metal".

    They peaked in the late-80s and got unspeakably stagnant after that, but all of their 80s albums are good.
    "Southern Death Cult" i.e. pre-cult, were a type of death metal before it was in vogue. Check out recordings like "Live at the Lyceum" and listen to it cover to cover for what this band used to be like. They were most definitely a different kind of band back then and basically indistinguishable from their sonic sold out days later.

    The pre breakout days this band were a lot darker. I preferred the older stuff. The original fans of the band pretty much tuned out when the band went standard formula with Sonic and Electric which were simple rock albums.

    The Cult were much better with Nigel Preston, an enormously talented drummer and the backbone of the band who was turfed after Sanctuary due to drug issues. The sound and style of the band changed after the Love album.
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    If people want something that actually rocks check out the Melvins at Starlite on July 24th. Not my favorite setlist this time around but these guys deliver guaranteed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    They were kind of part of the early-80s new-wave goth scene when they started, but were never death metal. They evolved into a hard rock band, but were never really "metal".

    They peaked in the late-80s and got unspeakably stagnant after that, but all of their 80s albums are good.
    "Southern Death Cult" i.e. pre-cult, were a type of death metal before it was in vogue.
    The Southern Death Cult is not a genre, it was the band name before they shortened it to The Cult.

    They were part of that whole early-80s goth, post-punk, new wave style. But they were certainly not death metal. Death metal is a style of metal that branched off of thrash, which was invented in the early 80s by bands like Slayer and Metallica. Death metal evolved some time later. This is an example of death metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHuqcVAaIN8

    The Cult never sounded like that, even when they called themselves the Southern Death Cult.

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    They were kind of part of the early-80s new-wave goth scene when they started, but were never death metal. They evolved into a hard rock band, but were never really "metal".

    They peaked in the late-80s and got unspeakably stagnant after that, but all of their 80s albums are good.
    "Southern Death Cult" i.e. pre-cult, were a type of death metal before it was in vogue.
    The Southern Death Cult is not a genre, it was the band name before they shortened it to The Cult.

    They were part of that whole early-80s goth, post-punk, new wave style. But they were certainly not death metal. Death metal is a style of metal that branched off of thrash, which was invented in the early 80s by bands like Slayer and Metallica. Death metal evolved some time later. This is an example of death metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHuqcVAaIN8

    The Cult never sounded like that, even when they called themselves the Southern Death Cult.
    I don't disagree. But the Cult were recording whatever it was, and it wasn't pure goth either, before Death Metal occurred, as I stated. In anycase I only said "type of". Its hard to quantify what Cult were in Dreamland era and before. Not easily put in boxes at that time. However the latter 80's stuff, while it rocked, was simply rock. They lost anything by then that had set them apart prior. Now they are on the scrapheap of sell out artists. Even the first time I looked at "Electric" I groaned, saddened that the band had sold out to pure rock form. Pretty much every Cult show was transformed by new followers and the originals left the band as quick as quick as Nigel Preston did, at which point it went on a pure Astbury direction. The more American influenced they became, instead of brit influenced the worse they became. In the end all the fans leaving.
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    Well, I gotta hand it to the Smashing Pumpkins, more than a three hour set to end their N.A. tour.

    Only lower bowl, but incredibly fun.


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    That was just an incredible concert. The best Smashing Pumpkins show I've been to among 3 and including the Melancholy show.

    With Chamberlain behind the kit and Iha back this is again a much better band then several previous incarnations. Sorry D'arcy but you weren't really missed.


    The productions values of this concert were something else. very artistic sets, designs, use of video interplay.


    But also the best sound of any concert I've been to at Rogers Place.

    This was absolutely spectacular. Only around 5k in attendance. we had perfect drinkrail seats, but this concert and tour deserves more love than its gotten.

    Anyway for those who missed it you missed something special. Bar none the best conceptual show since Pink Floyd played Commonwealth decades ago.

    The only use of creative video interplay that comes close to this was Metallica at Commonwealth.

    The Producers of U2 should watch a pumpkins show to see what they could actually do with their mega screens. The art imagery of this Pumpkins show was just fantastic. The renditions of all the songs ridiculously good.

    They don't make em like this anymore.

    Corgan really is a genius if that's ever been in doubt.


    I hope they put out a DVD of this tour for all the people that decided to miss it. Glad we went.

    For those that left early before the encore you missed a bonus Jimmy Chamberlain drum solo, fools.

    A bands playing their hearts out for 3:15hrs in what was a legendary performance, you'll rarely see one better, and people looking to beat the rush (there was no rush) out.


    The last time a band were playing over 3hr concerts it was Led Zeppelin.
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    'Anyway for those who missed it you missed something special'

    That it was.
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    Dam it!!!!!! Stupid work! Never home...last concert was Def Leppard a few years back in Dawson Creek.....uuuggghhhh.....way too low brow for Replacement.....but I'll take what I can get.....lol

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    'Anyway for those who missed it you missed something special'

    That it was.
    Corgan is an acknowledged insufferable perfectionist. So hard to work with because he demands it. But he demands it of himself and so this results in a show where so much thought, creativity, went into the elements as is typical for the band. This is not some band trotting out a half assed lets just go out and play the songs tour. They worked out vivid backdrop, coordination with lighting, special videos for the concert and almost every song and the cover renditions of Space Oddity and Stairway to Heaven were not thrown together. They actually did a very haunting and meaningful interpretation of Stairway to Heaven and emphasizing the haunting refrain track of "Ooh it makes me wonder" that suited the nihilistic, atheist, and dark conception of the performance.


    When the band delivered the final coup de grace of the female on screen protagonist Corgan introduced it comically as "heres our last big of misanthropy" It was funny, and hardly any laughter. Corgan cuts to the bone, and people don't like that in todays sanitized pop music environment.

    The greatest thing about a Smashing Pumpkins concert? They can play 32 numbers like last night and it leaves you wanting 20 more. With most acts there might be a dozen tracks you'd want to here.

    Anyway there will be a ton of shows taking place at Rogers. Few will be as memorable, or better. As often with Billy the world just seems not ready for this kind of show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Dam it!!!!!! Stupid work! Never home...last concert was Def Leppard a few years back in Dawson Creek.....uuuggghhhh.....way too low brow for Replacement.....but I'll take what I can get.....lol
    For once you got me. Don't like Def Leppard but not due to brow, just that its formulaic arena rock. Definitely a good time, but veer to more alternative sides. Just like to have unique expression in music and arts. Which the Pumpkins always deliver in spades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    'Anyway for those who missed it you missed something special'

    That it was.
    Corgan is an acknowledged insufferable perfectionist. So hard to work with because he demands it. But he demands it of himself and so this results in a show where so much thought, creativity, went into the elements as is typical for the band. This is not some band trotting out a half assed lets just go out and play the songs tour. They worked out vivid backdrop, coordination with lighting, special videos for the concert and almost every song and the cover renditions of Space Oddity and Stairway to Heaven were not thrown together. They actually did a very haunting and meaningful interpretation of Stairway to Heaven and emphasizing the haunting refrain track of "Ooh it makes me wonder" that suited the nihilistic, atheist, and dark conception of the performance.


    When the band delivered the final coup de grace of the female on screen protagonist Corgan introduced it comically as "heres our last big of misanthropy" It was funny, and hardly any laughter. Corgan cuts to the bone, and people don't like that in todays sanitized pop music environment.

    The greatest thing about a Smashing Pumpkins concert? They can play 32 numbers like last night and it leaves you wanting 20 more. With most acts there might be a dozen tracks you'd want to here.

    Anyway there will be a ton of shows taking place at Rogers. Few will be as memorable, or better. As often with Billy the world just seems not ready for this kind of show.
    Sounds awesome...have no doubt. Shows like this are becoming a rarity....didn't Prince put on a show at the Jube 6-7 years ago that was similar? By similar I mean - a plethora of songs from a multitude of albums with NO set playlist and one song just rolled into the next? And you wish that the concert would never end? One of those kind of shows......

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
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    'Anyway for those who missed it you missed something special'

    That it was.
    Corgan is an acknowledged insufferable perfectionist. So hard to work with because he demands it. But he demands it of himself and so this results in a show where so much thought, creativity, went into the elements as is typical for the band. This is not some band trotting out a half assed lets just go out and play the songs tour. They worked out vivid backdrop, coordination with lighting, special videos for the concert and almost every song and the cover renditions of Space Oddity and Stairway to Heaven were not thrown together. They actually did a very haunting and meaningful interpretation of Stairway to Heaven and emphasizing the haunting refrain track of "Ooh it makes me wonder" that suited the nihilistic, atheist, and dark conception of the performance.


    When the band delivered the final coup de grace of the female on screen protagonist Corgan introduced it comically as "heres our last big of misanthropy" It was funny, and hardly any laughter. Corgan cuts to the bone, and people don't like that in todays sanitized pop music environment.

    The greatest thing about a Smashing Pumpkins concert? They can play 32 numbers like last night and it leaves you wanting 20 more. With most acts there might be a dozen tracks you'd want to here.

    Anyway there will be a ton of shows taking place at Rogers. Few will be as memorable, or better. As often with Billy the world just seems not ready for this kind of show.
    Sounds awesome...have no doubt. Shows like this are becoming a rarity....didn't Prince put on a show at the Jube 6-7 years ago that was similar? By similar I mean - a plethora of songs from a multitude of albums with NO set playlist and one song just rolled into the next? And you wish that the concert would never end? One of those kind of shows......
    I missed that one but it would be a good example of an artist that cares about putting on a conceptual production and performance and obviously a brilliant writer.

    One thing I can't understand is the concert industry usually makes quite a lot of promotion on shows that they perceive are worthwhile productions. There were 40 shows on this tour, many poorly attended and yet people would have loved this show. I get emails and stuff on a lot of shows, but not on this one and not with positive reviews on this one. Indeed many of the reviews of this tour seemed to focus more on the Corgan - D'arcy Wretsky conflict. The press made this into a soap story instead of simply reporting that this was an astounding show.
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    I think a lot of people, myself included, are just burned out on seeing and hearing about every little thing Billy Corgan thinks and does.

    I have no doubt it was a fantastic show, but after years and years of Zwan, cobbled together Pumpkins tours, cancelations, pro wrestling, and being opinionated almost solely to receive press I've lost the will to give a **** about Billy Corgan. I'm glad they were able to put aside their differences and actually accomplish a 40 date tour though.

    Also, the last time I saw them they didn't play Zero, and I've never forgiven them for it.

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    I think you hit a perfect note there. I completely understand the realm of perfection as an artist, but he was strange as if he was better than other significant artists which was sad because he was talented. Their music - short lived and contributed during their time- was digestable for me.
    To replacement horror, I'll take Def Leppard over them any time. They weren't ccokie cutters at all as they were classified soft metal. People mistaken their success as sell outs, but success is due to incredible talent that they had for writing. Groups like Rat or poison yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I think a lot of people, myself included, are just burned out on seeing and hearing about every little thing Billy Corgan thinks and does.

    I have no doubt it was a fantastic show, but after years and years of Zwan, cobbled together Pumpkins tours, cancelations, pro wrestling, and being opinionated almost solely to receive press I've lost the will to give a **** about Billy Corgan. I'm glad they were able to put aside their differences and actually accomplish a 40 date tour though.

    Also, the last time I saw them they didn't play Zero, and I've never forgiven them for it.
    But you're just stating the Zeitgeist of the times. That people in present day do not tolerate displays of ego and intelligence. People resent it.


    In past times artists like Page to Clapton to Morrison considered themselves gods and were worshipped as such. With the exploits of all casting a shadow on that of Corgan. If Corgan was in a different era I feel he would be a legend. A Pete Townshend at the very least.



    Corgans life work is not different than any of histories past Troubadours from Hemingway to Cary Grant, Johnny Depp, of any of a long list of bad boys.

    The interesting thing as well is that some of Corgans exploits and work has been reactionary. Reaction to dislike, playing that role, laughing at it.

    I don't know how any of us would respond if thousands of people were stating how much they hated us. Inevitably, I think, you end up playing that role. In the course of Corgan intelligently enough to have some unique and interesting takes on it.

    The biggest shift though is soon as the 90's ended music returned to pop formula, nice sanitized music, bubblegum.

    For instance even rock now is mostly comedic rock. Its simply exploring feel good terrain. I like the Foo Fighters but in message there's just no depth to it. Its a reaction to Curt Kobain and rock star tragedy. Its the safer alternative. Dave might even say so.


    I like dark and edgy. I'd rather have Nirvana than Foo Fighters but the music world wouldn't agree. They want the easier to manage product performers.
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    One more.

    Artists like Billy Corgan and Neil Young were both exposed to bandmate and friend OD's. They had varying reactions to it, were scarred and irreparably changed by it. But both are survivors. Both endure, wrote about it, cast attention to it, fired bandmates because of it etc. Neither are angels themselves but both pointed out the pointlessness of drug induced death. (Corgan did again in his concert and videos last night) and this performing perhaps a more pertinent, and valuable lesson than almost anything offered in music these days.

    Last night the girl searching for a stairway to heaven and not finding it on earth stuck a needle in her arm and found something, or not..


    Corgan is considered hopelessly outdated, but I don't think so. I think the messages continue to be relevant.
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    OD? I assume that is in reference to overdose... then that wouldn't be isolated to those two I as I'm confiden many famous musicians can attest to that. Music definite lost its soul when the Britney invasion came along, but there were precursors to that in the late 80 with groups like Milli Vanilla, Black box, and Technotronic . While there were well crafted pop songs associated to the group, the group were not the singers, and that spiral society- not just music- into the abyss of lies deception, dishonesty, greed, and evil ambience as a whole; that synergy is just more complexed today.
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    ^Music today has largely been bombed back to the sanitized safety of the late 50's early 60's but without the Link Wray Rumble or any sign of the Beatles coming along.

    What fans want now, seemingly, in these times is soothing music to placate. They don't want edge. The post war culture thing in the 50's was a lot like that. People wanted nice picket fences, not hearing about issues. Not something requiring thought.

    Corgan between songs last night offering philosophy on "here we are now in the middle of our lives, what do we do, what do we change''?

    I wonder how many heard that the message was really deep. About nothing less than what are we doing with our lives? A pertinent message for our whole culture.

    In anycase today pop music is the platters, essentially, and I don't know if anything better is coming.

    I treated last night as a last night. A last night that I might see meaningful music that is like this. Since its been so long that I've seen anything like it, I know it to be rare if not extinct.


    When was the last Siamese Dream, or any album like it. I feel Beck came close. Another outstanding performer and writer.
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    The current industry is full of edgy non-placating artists. Just gotta look for them and support them because they're crowded out by the pablum being pushed by the recording industry. Then every once in awhile an artist like Childish Gambino comes along with the requisite backing and reach, and completely disrupts the entire media spectrum for a week with a song/video like This Is America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    The current industry is full of edgy non-placating artists. Just gotta look for them and support them because they're crowded out by the pablum being pushed by the recording industry. Then every once in awhile an artist like Childish Gambino comes along with the requisite backing and reach, and completely disrupts the entire media spectrum for a week with a song/video like This Is America.
    Sure, good example. But also an artist just filling in a vacuum of what people are wanting to hear. Wanting to believe this is a time of more prejudice, more injustice, more polarized against the black man, a couple years removed from a black president.

    One could just say Childish Gambino is placating preceding social climate.

    Sometimes I think its just nonstop perpetuation of anger and perceived slight and prejudice.

    Probably if you have a Childish Gambino being so supported, or a Black President the race issues are not what they once were. It could be that these ARE even relative good times.

    I think the best song of the millennium was probably "happy" which is ironic considering what I've posted, but one too that just redirects our energies into a more positive space, and at least does it well.
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    Quite a barrage of talent coming up at Rogers Place in early November - Jack White, Justin Timberlake (2 nights), Drake (2 nights), Russell Peters and Fleetwood Mac.
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    Jack White, meh. Extremely underwhelming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Jack White, meh. Extremely underwhelming.
    I didn't go. Not sure what it is but he hasn't survived well. Virtually no interest in this concert and tour and ticket sales were awful. I took a look at his setlists and just not much on there that I would really want to hear.


    5yrs ago I would have been interested. White also has an odd relationship with fans. He seems temperamental and more interested in his experience and what he wants to do than any ode to fans.

    Meh, been a longtime now since whitestripes and his solo stuff mostly leaves me cold.


    Glad I didn't go if the concert was underwhelming. The tour has not got good reviews.
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    Concur

    Several people have tried to turn me on to Jack White as some new version of Bob Dylan or a new music experience. I have several White Stripes and a couple of JW CD's which I play occasionally, looking for a spark. I simply don't hear what they are hearing. I get far more out of Nick Cave or David Byrne or even Mike McDonald than JW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Concur

    Several people have tried to turn me on to Jack White as some new version of Bob Dylan or a new music experience. I have several White Stripes and a couple of JW CD's which I play occasionally, looking for a spark. I simply don't hear what they are hearing. I get far more out of Nick Cave or David Byrne or even Mike McDonald than JW.
    Those are good choices. To me JW is good drinking/partying music. I'm less into that now and just don't feel the same interest. He didn't even play Icky Thump. That would not put a smile on my face. The setlist was very ordinary and heavy on new album which is just weird. Like I said I don't think any of his solo albums have been all that great.

    JW is kind of like rock music for a generation that don't have any rock music. Best way I could describe it. Dead Weather are good and the Raconteur collaboration but nothing great. In the 70's White would probably have trouble getting noticed. But in a rock is dead era he's at least somebody carrying a torch.
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    I must say I disagree with everyone here. I think the show last night was excellent. I think Jack White is one of the greatest blues and rock artists of any era. And I think that there is still a lot of great blues and rock music being made today.

    That said, seeing as most people only know JW for one of the greatest stadium anthems of all time, and seeing as rock in general (and blues in particular) has faded from the public eye, I can understand why this might not be widely appreciated. If one went to the show last night expecting Nickleback redux then one would have left disappointed. However, if one went expecting to see a great mix of rock and blues then one left happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    I must say I disagree with everyone here. I think the show last night was excellent. I think Jack White is one of the greatest blues and rock artists of any era. And I think that there is still a lot of great blues and rock music being made today.

    That said, seeing as most people only know JW for one of the greatest stadium anthems of all time, and seeing as rock in general (and blues in particular) has faded from the public eye, I can understand why this might not be widely appreciated. If one went to the show last might expecting Nickleback redux then one would have left disappointed. However, if one went expecting to see a great mix of rock and blues then one left happy.
    The setlist he's been banging out is routine. Several songs in his catalog that people just don't even bother listening to. He's notorious for just recording almost any noise that pops in his brain. This worked at one time, but in his solo albums I don't know theres one song I fell in love with or what recommend. He's mostly fallen off the radar.


    He plays some mundane White Stripes songs in the setlist but wheres IcKy Thump, Blue Orchid, Little Bird, Fell in love with a girl, etc. Who doesn't like those tracks?


    So I go to the Calgary Setlist and there's, predictably. Icky Thump, Little Bird, Sixteen Saltines etc on the setlist not played in Edmonton. But lots of songs in Edmonton even some ardent fans wouldn't listen to on purpose. Even one of the reviews of the Edmonton show stated people got bored with the show through a lot of the dreg catalog he was playing. Edmonton got the dog setlst.


    They say attendance was 6K. Baloney unless there were 3k walkup. Days before the concert, even in this only lower bowl configuration there were tons of lower bowl seats available.


    The best one can say about Jack White is he's getting more eclectic. But that would be kind. Most of his albums have around 10-12 tracks of filler. Except now he's not even putting out the 1,2 songs that cause people to give him a listen.

    One of the best Blues or Rock musicians ever? Nah, not even going there.

    This is an excellent review btw on the absolutely junk Boarding house record that not even a lot of his fans like;

    https://www.stereogum.com/1987906/pr...re-evaluation/
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    You're welcome to your opinion of course but please don't spread fake news. Lower bowl was mostly full so 6K attendance seems accurate. And Boarding House scored 74 on Metacritic so mostly positive reviews.

    Like I said, his deep tracks might not be to everyone's taste especially if one's accustomed to listening to the same classic rock songs over and over again ad nauseum. Each to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    You're welcome to your opinion of course but please don't spread fake news. Lower bowl was mostly full so 6K attendance seems accurate. And Boarding House scored 74 on Metacritic so mostly positive reviews.

    Like I said, his deep tracks might not be to everyone's taste especially if one's accustomed to listening to the same classic rock songs over and over again ad nauseum. Each to their own.
    The reality is as stated. People listen to Jack White at all because this is a rock is dead era and few such choices exist. His last work that was any good at all was 2010 with Dead Weather.


    There isn't a handful of songs even worth listening to in his last 3 solo albums. I could link a dozen reviews just blasting the latest album as random garbage. If I had to sit there and listen to dreck like Ice Station Zebra I would have to clean my ears out later.


    10yrs ago I Liked Jack White and figured he'd been up to a lot of good with White Stripes, Raconteurs, Dead Weather and Alison Moshart. The last 3 albums its like he's musically lost and without direction.


    The reality is Jack White is like any Garage Rock provocateur. Left without a Neil Young at the helm he's about as directionless as Crazy Horse without Young. Being generationally out of the milieu of the music he inhabits White is essentially a Rock loner, left to his own device and without the benefit of a ton of musical others helping him along.


    JW spoken word lyrics worked for awhile. One can listen to garage rock when nothing else is available. Calling him one of the best rock and blues artists of alltime just tells me you hardly know any.
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    Hope you enjoy listening to Hotel California for the millionth time!

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    Jack White is a good rock musician and songwriter. I like probably 80 percent of the music he has made. And I think a lot of it is REALLY good.

    But I don't think his recent solo "experimental" stuff is very good. And I like Ween, Mars Volta, Frank Zappa, Steven Wilson and other "creative" music, and although Jack White's solo albums are creative, I think they kind of suck.

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    It's pretty well documented that he doesn't do setlists. The band knows his entire catalog and he calls out the next song in real time based on the day, crowd, mood, etc. I'd take it as a compliment that he didn't want to just play the hits. Want to head your favourite song? Listen to the radio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    Hope you enjoy listening to Hotel California for the millionth time!
    haha

    Not really fair rebuttal. I get the joke, funny response.

    But I followed the whole White Stripes/ Raconteurs, Dead Weather, The Kills etc kind of arc and even along with Black Keys and several others. Many older rock fans got into this stuff as it mirrored rock of decades ago. For awhile, around 10 yrs ago, this had really got to a pretty good boil With White Stripes putting out good albums and with side projects for White with Raconteurs and Dead Weather doing very well. Go back to Albums like Horehound, Sea of Cowards. Those are fantastic albums and far better than anything JW has done in his solo albums. Possibly because Alison Moshart is such a quintessentially great rock singer. Then go back to those great Raconteur Albums. For a decade JW was bringing life to anything he touched. had a great decade there. It ended the moment the White Stripes did. Hasn't been the same since.

    No shame in that, and 10yrs ago JW a much bigger name in the music industry and vital force than he is now. He's simply lost his way, swallowed up by so many musical influences he no longer really has a signature. As a generalist, and getting out of his garage band roots it unfortunately has the effect of making him look like a poser trying to adopt to Rap, funk, soul, whatever else he is trying and forms that he's not good enough to cover. Anything he's trying to mine in these veins has been done far better. I agree he can pull off Blues/Rock. Its about all he does well.

    I like Beck a lot as well but that artist being a genre dancing virtuoso compared to what White brings. In the end JW will probably be famous for one time and type of music which was clearly his halcyon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    It's pretty well documented that he doesn't do setlists. The band knows his entire catalog and he calls out the next song in real time based on the day, crowd, mood, etc. I'd take it as a compliment that he didn't want to just play the hits. Want to head your favourite song? Listen to the radio.
    This is pretty much urban legend at this point. Maybe at one time, not now, his setlists are about as standard as anybody. setlist fm easily random sets myth and in recent years one can certainly see that a lot of the same songs are being played on every show. About 80% of them. But on some shows he just can't be bothered doing his biggest hits. Calgary got a much better show than Edmonton. Kind of predictable as JW is kind of famous for just not bringing his best to some shows. Weird thing is him absolutely abandoning such classics as Blue Orchid while playing some back catalog White Stripes. Present tours are of course heavy in his solo material which is unlistenable compared to his material a decade ago.
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    Further to JW. Looking back Blunderbuss is an album that even he is saying was his best work since White Stripes. you can see that in the tracks and how many of them are still being played half a dozen years ago compared to say the last couple albums. About 7 songs still seeing rotation. Meanwhile only about 2 tracks covered on tour from the weird and unlistenable Lazeretto album. Just a hopelessly confused work. A typical album only diehards would listen to. Which seemed to set the stage for the 4yrs later absolutely lost Boarding house album. JW is indicating himself that his creative well is run out. 4 years wait to put this dreck out? He was putting out an excellent album pretty much every year a decade ago in his various collaborations. But he had creative process back then with similarly predisposed others. I think now left on his own, and wandering musical interests, he just doesn't know where he is. Like most artists now rendered into a cardboard cutout of his former self playing his oldies like a dried up well.

    Lazaretto was definitely the album in JW case that caused the audience to turn away. Initially I had hoped it would grow on me and require more listens. Its just garbage. I literally can't stand listening to 3 tracks in a row from that album. its random cacophony, which in JW terms is saying something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    It's pretty well documented that he doesn't do setlists. The band knows his entire catalog and he calls out the next song in real time based on the day, crowd, mood, etc. I'd take it as a compliment that he didn't want to just play the hits. Want to head your favourite song? Listen to the radio.
    This is pretty much urban legend at this point. Maybe at one time, not now, his setlists are about as standard as anybody. setlist fm easily random sets myth and in recent years one can certainly see that a lot of the same songs are being played on every show. About 80% of them. But on some shows he just can't be bothered doing his biggest hits. Calgary got a much better show than Edmonton. Kind of predictable as JW is kind of famous for just not bringing his best to some shows. Weird thing is him absolutely abandoning such classics as Blue Orchid while playing some back catalog White Stripes. Present tours are of course heavy in his solo material which is unlistenable compared to his material a decade ago.
    He literally gave an interview to Garner Andrews on Sonic last week and confirmed that he doesn't do setlists, his band rehearsed 80 songs before going on tour, and that he "goes by feel".

    But sure. Urban legend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    It's pretty well documented that he doesn't do setlists. The band knows his entire catalog and he calls out the next song in real time based on the day, crowd, mood, etc. I'd take it as a compliment that he didn't want to just play the hits. Want to head your favourite song? Listen to the radio.
    This is pretty much urban legend at this point. Maybe at one time, not now, his setlists are about as standard as anybody. setlist fm easily random sets myth and in recent years one can certainly see that a lot of the same songs are being played on every show. About 80% of them. But on some shows he just can't be bothered doing his biggest hits. Calgary got a much better show than Edmonton. Kind of predictable as JW is kind of famous for just not bringing his best to some shows. Weird thing is him absolutely abandoning such classics as Blue Orchid while playing some back catalog White Stripes. Present tours are of course heavy in his solo material which is unlistenable compared to his material a decade ago.
    He literally gave an interview to Garner Andrews on Sonic last week and confirmed that he doesn't do setlists, his band rehearsed 80 songs before going on tour, and that he "goes by feel".

    But sure. Urban legend.
    I checked the setlists on the tour. They are virtually all the same for the full shows. About 80% being played every night. With the exception of him only including Icky Thump, Little Bird, Sixtine Salteens etc in some of the shows. I guess you can choose to go on what Jack white says in one interview or what he's actually been playing on tour.

    You know that you can go on setlist fm and show all the song listings for every show, right? Or that I actually did this before I spoke about it.

    https://www.setlist.fm/stats/jack-wh...html?year=2018

    For instance go right here. 2018 songs played. Around 20 are being pretty commonly played at most full shows. Another 10-20 are being played less frequently at shows. The rest of the 40-50 are rarely played. Mostly one off instances. When JW is saying 80 songs on the list its including around 40-50 rarities and covers played only in one or so shows. At any given concert you're getting any mix of the 24 songs they are regularly playing which make up the vast majority of any show. Theres no guess work here, it is what it is.

    Check for yourself. Its unfortunate that only around 30% of shows are hearing Icky Thump and around 20% Fell in love with a girl and 0% Blue Orchid. JW basically not delivering here. Those 3 being best sellers in his catalog.
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    In case anyone would like to skip the last dozen or so posts, the quick summary is that Replacement continues to hate everything, and if you dare disagree, he'll hit you with hundreds of words in hopes he'll win by volume, if not actual fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    In case anyone would like to skip the last dozen or so posts, the quick summary is that Replacement continues to hate everything, and if you dare disagree, he'll hit you with hundreds of words in hopes he'll win by volume, if not actual fact.
    haha, I'm obsessive when I immerse in something. Its just discussion, no harm no foul, and if people don't want to respond or read they obviously don't have to. Some might even appreciate the setlist info and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
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    It's pretty well documented that he doesn't do setlists. The band knows his entire catalog and he calls out the next song in real time based on the day, crowd, mood, etc. I'd take it as a compliment that he didn't want to just play the hits. Want to head your favourite song? Listen to the radio.
    This is pretty much urban legend at this point. Maybe at one time, not now, his setlists are about as standard as anybody. setlist fm easily random sets myth and in recent years one can certainly see that a lot of the same songs are being played on every show. About 80% of them. But on some shows he just can't be bothered doing his biggest hits. Calgary got a much better show than Edmonton. Kind of predictable as JW is kind of famous for just not bringing his best to some shows. Weird thing is him absolutely abandoning such classics as Blue Orchid while playing some back catalog White Stripes. Present tours are of course heavy in his solo material which is unlistenable compared to his material a decade ago.
    He literally gave an interview to Garner Andrews on Sonic last week and confirmed that he doesn't do setlists, his band rehearsed 80 songs before going on tour, and that he "goes by feel".

    But sure. Urban legend.
    I checked the setlists on the tour. They are virtually all the same for the full shows. About 80% being played every night. With the exception of him only including Icky Thump, Little Bird, Sixtine Salteens etc in some of the shows. I guess you can choose to go on what Jack white says in one interview or what he's actually been playing on tour.

    You know that you can go on setlist fm and show all the song listings for every show, right? Or that I actually did this before I spoke about it.

    https://www.setlist.fm/stats/jack-wh...html?year=2018

    For instance go right here. 2018 songs played. Around 20 are being pretty commonly played at most full shows. Another 10-20 are being played less frequently at shows. The rest of the 40-50 are rarely played. Mostly one off instances. When JW is saying 80 songs on the list its including around 40-50 rarities and covers played only in one or so shows. At any given concert you're getting any mix of the 24 songs they are regularly playing which make up the vast majority of any show. Theres no guess work here, it is what it is.

    Check for yourself. Its unfortunate that only around 30% of shows are hearing Icky Thump and around 20% Fell in love with a girl and 0% Blue Orchid. JW basically not delivering here. Those 3 being best sellers in his catalog.
    Yeah, it makes sense to play the hits. That's what people generally want. What I'm saying is that there is no physically written or agreed-upon list of songs that they mindlessly run through night in and night out. Also, I'll reiterate that I would take it as a compliment that he felt that the crowd would be more into deeper cuts and oddities vs Jack White: The Hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    In case anyone would like to skip the last dozen or so posts, the quick summary is that Replacement continues to hate everything, and if you dare disagree, he'll hit you with hundreds of words in hopes he'll win by volume, if not actual fact.

    Thanks for the synopsis Marcel. Appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    I checked the setlists on the tour. They are virtually all the same for the full shows. About 80% being played every night. With the exception of him only including Icky Thump, Little Bird, Sixtine Salteens etc in some of the shows. I guess you can choose to go on what Jack white says in one interview or what he's actually been playing on tour.

    You know that you can go on setlist fm and show all the song listings for every show, right? Or that I actually did this before I spoke about it.

    https://www.setlist.fm/stats/jack-wh...html?year=2018

    For instance go right here. 2018 songs played. Around 20 are being pretty commonly played at most full shows. Another 10-20 are being played less frequently at shows. The rest of the 40-50 are rarely played. Mostly one off instances. When JW is saying 80 songs on the list its including around 40-50 rarities and covers played only in one or so shows. At any given concert you're getting any mix of the 24 songs they are regularly playing which make up the vast majority of any show. Theres no guess work here, it is what it is.

    Check for yourself. Its unfortunate that only around 30% of shows are hearing Icky Thump and around 20% Fell in love with a girl and 0% Blue Orchid. JW basically not delivering here. Those 3 being best sellers in his catalog.
    Actually Replacement, those stats show the exact opposite of what you're trying to prove. Instead, they indicate a rather rich variety of setlists.

    To see where setlists really are "virtually all the same for the full shows" consider a tour like Taylor Swift's:

    https://www.setlist.fm/stats/taylor-...html?year=2018

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    Even the greatest musicians have a finite amount of creative energy. Part of the problem is after a run of success a band becomes a regular business with salaries to pay, etc. and musicians feel obligated to keep producing to feed the machine.

    http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/met...pay-the-bills/

    As a general rule, anything a rick musician produces after the age of 40 is pure filler.

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