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    Applications for cannabis retail: the lottery
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    Not surprisingly, there's a huge clutter of them in and around Whyte Ave.
    Downtown, north-central downtown, 124 St and Stony Plain Rd/149 St have some smaller clusters.

    Keep in mind that this is a lottery so only some of them will be approved.
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    Sure is interesting to click around and see who has applied. Kerry Rempel (Liquor Depot) has a lot of applications around Whyte Ave, as does Jeffrey Williams.

    Has the city come up with their rules yet in regards to distance away from certain things (parks, libraries, schools)? The last I read they had some distances, but they weren't set in stone. Some of the Whyte locations would be affected by this as there are parks, the library, and schools close to some of the applications.
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    There were some interesting mapping errors when this first dropped. 1 Kingsway Mall got set to 1 Kingsway Avenue and I was wondering if the Edmonton Public School Board was exploring some innovative funding strategies.

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    Man, those school bake sales would take on a whole new meaning.
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    Id assume one will open up on Enoch reserve land beside the casino where they're building the new commercial buildings...

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    Seems like Riverbend and Terwillegar are going to be massively underserved.

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    Great to see so many applicants! Cant wait for #YEG to go green!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Great to see so many applicants! Cant wait for #YEG to go green!
    Should be a constant haze in the river valley.

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    So as far as I can ascertain the roll out of all this is in October? 10bucks/gram prices? Seems kind of high considering legalized marijuana does not have such overhead as confiscated inventory, marijuana busts, shutdown operations and the like. This is like the classic case of a govt sanctioned rollout being more inept than the illegal operation it replaced. How on Earth is it possible that Pot prices increase due to legalization?

    So that the alternative is the grow your own 4 plants provision which would obviously decrease usage costs considerably. heh, I'm still thinking somewhere along the line they still find a trumped up reason to kibosh the grow your own. Although I note the October roll out doesn't allow for any outdoor grows this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Seems like Riverbend and Terwillegar are going to be massively underserved.
    All a result of the zoning chosen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    So as far as I can ascertain the roll out of all this is in October? 10bucks/gram prices? Seems kind of high considering legalized marijuana does not have such overhead as confiscated inventory, marijuana busts, shutdown operations and the like. This is like the classic case of a govt sanctioned rollout being more inept than the illegal operation it replaced. How on Earth is it possible that Pot prices increase due to legalization?

    So that the alternative is the grow your own 4 plants provision which would obviously decrease usage costs considerably. heh, I'm still thinking somewhere along the line they still find a trumped up reason to kibosh the grow your own. Although I note the October roll out doesn't allow for any outdoor grows this season.
    The federal government appears to be very committed to keeping the grow your own provisions. The Senate tried to remove them, or at least move the decision to the provinces, but that amendment was rejected in the final bill. As it stands a province has to allow at least a single plant for personal use. Outside of court challenge (very unlikely) I can't see that changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
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    So as far as I can ascertain the roll out of all this is in October? 10bucks/gram prices? Seems kind of high considering legalized marijuana does not have such overhead as confiscated inventory, marijuana busts, shutdown operations and the like. This is like the classic case of a govt sanctioned rollout being more inept than the illegal operation it replaced. How on Earth is it possible that Pot prices increase due to legalization?

    So that the alternative is the grow your own 4 plants provision which would obviously decrease usage costs considerably. heh, I'm still thinking somewhere along the line they still find a trumped up reason to kibosh the grow your own. Although I note the October roll out doesn't allow for any outdoor grows this season.
    The federal government appears to be very committed to keeping the grow your own provisions. The Senate tried to remove them, or at least move the decision to the provinces, but that amendment was rejected in the final bill. As it stands a province has to allow at least a single plant for personal use. Outside of court challenge (very unlikely) I can't see that changing.
    I'm aware of all of the above. Afaik the single plant is incorrect. its 4 plants provision and subject to provincial guideline. I still think impediments will be introduced. I have a hard time believing the two following things;

    1) That govt will cash cow legal marijuana to the tune of 10bucks/gram

    2)That the same govts looking for new revenue streams will not see a clear cost in allowing grow your own provision and will find arguments to revoke that.

    3) I'm an absolute cynic.
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    I said single plant as the way the law is worded the provinces can not set a limit lower than a single plant and enforce it. If they try and prohibit home cultivation completely then the federal law of four or less would take precedence, or, as Bill Blair put it, "If you prohibit, you can't regulate."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    I said single plant as the way the law is worded the provinces can not set a limit lower than a single plant and enforce it. If they try and prohibit home cultivation completely then the federal law of four or less would take precedence, or, as Bill Blair put it, "If you prohibit, you can't regulate."
    This is not at all what I have heard and as we speak Quebec, and Manitoba are not permitting home cultivation and the feds are not going to challenge the provincial autonomy.

    https://globalnews.ca/video/4285379/...-the-provinces
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    I said single plant as the way the law is worded the provinces can not set a limit lower than a single plant and enforce it. If they try and prohibit home cultivation completely then the federal law of four or less would take precedence, or, as Bill Blair put it, "If you prohibit, you can't regulate."
    This is not at all what I have heard and as we speak Quebec, and Manitoba are not permitting home cultivation and the feds are not going to challenge the provincial autonomy.

    https://globalnews.ca/video/4285379/...-the-provinces
    Although she makes it very clear that individuals are free to challenge the provincial law and Blair's statement the federal government is prepared for those challenges seems to indicate they would support them. We'll have to see what happens when someone does as I fully expect someone will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    I said single plant as the way the law is worded the provinces can not set a limit lower than a single plant and enforce it. If they try and prohibit home cultivation completely then the federal law of four or less would take precedence, or, as Bill Blair put it, "If you prohibit, you can't regulate."
    This is not at all what I have heard and as we speak Quebec, and Manitoba are not permitting home cultivation and the feds are not going to challenge the provincial autonomy.

    https://globalnews.ca/video/4285379/...-the-provinces
    Although she makes it very clear that individuals are free to challenge the provincial law and Blair's statement the federal government is prepared for those challenges seems to indicate they would support them. We'll have to see what happens when someone does as I fully expect someone will.
    I think most pundits, and the flurry of questions about it have indicated this is a standard liberal fed cop out.

    The fact remains what I stated is legit. That ultimately provinces can decide, they are not mandated by the feds, who have no intent to force provinces to allow public cultivation of Marijuana.

    I think where we can agree is theres likely still to be many challenges in court going everyway.


    If anything bumping legalization back until October on what was a likelihood for years is just allowing more of a timeframe in which some other impediments can occur. Although as noted that is my cynical observation potentially.

    We'll see what transpires. I'm betting a year from now Manitoba and Quebec still don't allow cultivation by individuals.
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    Okay, so the City is currently saying (not official), 200m from each store, and 200m from schools and public libraries. Also, 100m from any park, health care facility, or recreation facilities. It would be interesting to see those restrictions overlayed onto Whyte Ave; the schools/library/parks could affect some of the applications there.

    I assume that they city will be using the same tools as they have on maps.edmonton.ca for calculating the distances. For example, the top-listed Whyte Ave location (#6) is the Liquor Depot by Shoppers Drug Mart (8015 104 Street NW). That location kills applications at:
    7921 104 Street NW (Alex Russo)
    10445 80 Avenue NW (Kerry Rempel)
    10407 81 Avenue NW (Mark Fitton)
    8126 Gateway Boulevard NW (The Green )
    8114 104 Street NW (Mark Fitton)
    8137 104 Street NW (Kerry Rempel)
    10351A 82 Avenue NW (Jeffrey Williams)
    10401 82 Avenue NW (National Access)
    10403 82 Avenue NW (National Access)
    10408 82 Avenue NW (Sara Doran)
    10414 82 Avenue NW (Todd Pringle)
    Suite 102, 10336 82 Avenue NW (James Ortlieb)
    10145 81 Avenue NW (2083016 Alberta Ltd.)

    Possibly:
    10139 82 Avenue NW (Mark Hope)
    7806 Gateway Boulevard NW (Terry Nyquist)
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    Okay, I decided to go a bit further with this. Using the maps.edmonton.ca website I went and put a 200m radius around the Strathcona Library, Old Scona and Mill Creek school and then I put up 100m radius around the parks. Then I went through the locations along Whyte (and area), and made a list of them in order of their lottery numbers. Then I went through and placed them on the map, removing the ones that were either too close to the Library/Schools or parks. When an application fell out of that area, I marked it on the map and set a 200m radius on it for future applications.

    Here are the approved, and possibly approved pot stores:
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    6		8015 104 Street NW		-Granted (Kerry Rempel)
    9		10806 82 Avenue NW		-Granted (Mark Fitton)
    26		10134 82 Avenue NW		-Granted (Darren Bondar - Spirit Leaf Inc.)
    105		7806 Gateway Boulevard NW	-Possible (maybe denied due to Application 6)
    165		9629 82 Avenue NW		-Possible (Possible rejection due to Mill Creek School)
    185		7718 104 Street NW 		-Possible (if Application 105 approved, this is denied)
    220		9612 82 Avenue NW		-Possible (if Application 165 approved, this is denied)
    So there can only be 5 approved in the area, as some of the ones on the list would be denied based on some others being approved.

    These are the rejections, and the reasons for it:
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    33		10459 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Old Scona School, and Application 6)
    56		10013 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Application 26)
    64		10407 81 Avenue NW		-Denied (Application 6)
    66		10401 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Library, Application 6)
    75		10848 82 Avenue NW 		-Denied (Application 9, Garneau Park)
    88		10408 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Library, Application 6, Old Scona School)
    96		10850 82 Avenue NW 		-Denied (Application 9, Garneau Park)
    103		8137 104 Street NW		-Denied (Library, Application 6)
    104		8126 Gateway Boulevard NW	-Denied (Park, Application 6, Application 26)
    108		10431 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Application 6)
    117		10139 82 Avenue NW 		-Denied (Park, Application 26)
    118		10123 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Application 26)
    119		10351A 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Library, Application 6)
    121		10852 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Application 9, Garneau Park)
    136		10516 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Old Scona School)
    158		10403 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Library, Application 6)
    159		8114 104 Street NW		-Denied (Application 6)
    160		7809 109 Street NW		-Denied (Joe Morris Park)
    166		10414 82 Avenue NW		-Denied (Library, Application 6, Old Scona School)
    196		10660 82 Avenue NW 		-Denied (Old Scona School)
    212		10445 80 Avenue NW		-Denied (Application 6)
    222		10336 82 Avenue NW 		-Denied (Library, Application 6)
    226		10511 82 Avenue NW 		-Denied (Old Scona School)
    236		10768 82 Avenue NW 		-Denied (Application 9)
    237		10145 81 Avenue NW		-Denied (Park, Application 6)
    242		7921 104 Street NW		-Denied (Application 6, possibly application 105)
    Took about an hour to generate that data. The distances were calculated based on the city's "show application radius" tool, which I then traced onto the map. It generates the radius from all the edges of the property. Sometimes the property on the city map was quite large (such as with Application 6), but I don't think there were any that were really tight except for the few that I noted under "possible." Of course those applications near the top of the list could still fail the city process, which could open the door up for something lower on the list to be approved. Also, changing the limits on the schools/library could change some of the applications as well (there were a few taken out by being too close to Old Scona school).
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    Thank you Gord! And great to see the rules denying a concentration of shops.
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    33 applications in the Whyte Ave area, and probably only 5 approved. That's how it should be. They're nicely spread out, and not near schools. I was also happy to see the little park across from the public washrooms on Whyte didn't really exclude any applications, as they would have been excluded by other applications before them.

    I'm interested in how this affects some of the shops already operating (The Green Room, for example)?
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    I think people are over thinking legalization way too much... canada/alberta will not be any different.

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    Also with Downtown, only location I can see is a for sure thing might be Fire and Flower in The Quest (unless it contravenes condo bylaws). They were selected #25.

    Everything else downtown is either within distance of Centre High, EPL or Beaverhills House Park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    I think people are over thinking legalization way too much... canada/alberta will not be any different.
    It'll definitely change the financial aspect (business, legitimacy, paying taxes and getting loans and stock), the social or cultural aspect (those "on the fence" folks or those that don't want to deal with the uncertainty of the black market, and ease of access and acceptance) and each province is different in their models for where and how one consumes or purchases.

    For those that would consume, or consume on a weekend basis but want something that is certain and reliable this will go a long way. Many strains and personal reactions to weed and unless you have a high quality connection then you're hooped. To get that connection you need friends that are connected (do drugs). This will be great for business and a new jobs market.
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    I'm ecstatic for the businesses or investors who are cashing in. I've heard of many people I've met or worked with who made millions. It's great seeing regular people making huge $$ instead of the large Corporations.

    I find it interesting people spoke out against the liquor rules limiting distances but are now cheering for the restrictions with weed.

    It seems the average joe thinks legal weed will turn everyone into pot growing potheads over night. The conversation gets weirder on some of my condo boards as property managers keep pushing legalization issues, bylaw changes and general stereo types on how boards will be affected.

    I've even had potential renters bring up the topic of legalization while showing one of my rentals recently. People seem genuinely afraid or confused over what may happen.

    Yet these people wouldn't question more liquor establishments, excessive drinking or general drunk nights that everyone brags about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post

    3) I'm an absolute cynic.
    This should warm your cynical heart then.

    Private pot shops are wonderful and probably doomed: Neil Macdonald

    I would say I expect he's probably correct about the majority of jurisdictions in Canada where even alcohol is restricted to government run shops. I'm hoping Alberta will maintain it's baby step towards a less paternalistic attitude and not backtrack on the private stores.

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    Thanks Gord for doing this analysis. I'm the ED of the OSBA and found this very helpful.

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    Here's a map based on the status of the applications for Edmonton:
    https://fusiontables.google.com/Data...cddNI#map:id=3

    It's color-coded so you can quickly see what's approved, and what isn't. Some of the statuses have the same icon color.
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    Neil MacDonald is typical CBC "if that's what Toronto does, then that's what everyone will do - yanno 'cause it IS the centre of the universe.

    When you have an NDP govt. in Alberta that says, yeah, sure liquor seems to be working well in the private sector, why not pot too?" you know there are actual practical, reasonable people around.
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    Toronto has lots of guns too.

    Then there is prostitution. Big market there. Oldest business in history. Just think of the tax revenue! Worked in the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.


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    Interesting, the only application for a store in Terrwilligar was refused. In fact all but one of the four applications in the southwest was refused.

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    ^Whereas City of Edmonton put strict rules on where Cannabis Sales could be permitted, it avoids a lot of the discretionary appeals you're seeing in Calgary where all Cannabis Sales are being treated as discretionary uses. Edmonton has so far had 6 appeals, whereas Calgary is dealing with 70.
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    One of the Edmonton appeals is The Green Room, and I can't understand what grounds they're going to appeal on. They're across the street from a "park" (deemed so by the city), and would be within 200m of the Shopper's Drug Mart strip mall location, and the location going into the Adaptabilities building. I'm also curious when the appeal will happen, as they appear to have been rejected in July, but I can't find any evidence of a hearing.
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    ^You'll have to check the SDAB agendas. It's possible the hearing from July was postponed.

    They can try to make their case to SDAB on separation distances.
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    Yeah, I checked SDAB, and found no mention of the location, or the name. Beats me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Great to see so many applicants! Cant wait for #YEG to go green!
    And yet Edmonton has managed to function for 114 years without this legalization......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Great to see so many applicants! Cant wait for #YEG to go green!
    and think of all the drug addiction and mental health clinics that will be needed!
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    And Edmonton managed to function from 1795 to 1916 without women having the right to vote. What's your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Great to see so many applicants! Cant wait for #YEG to go green!
    and think of all the drug addiction and mental health clinics that will be needed!
    You think we will have more drug addicts after weed is legalized? LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And Edmonton managed to function from 1795 to 1916 without women having the right to vote. What's your point?
    I guess using your ridiculous example, one could argue Edmonton (and the civilized democratic world) is a much better place since 1917. Get back to me in 114 years and let me know how legalizing cannabis improved the quality of life to the same degree that allowing women a basic human right did. I can wait.....
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    It's going to keep fewer people from having criminal records or serving time in jail. It will also reduce the money available to the criminal element.

    Just look at the difference between having legal alcohol sales and prohibition.

    "Managing to function" is a ridiculous standard to base something on. The question should be :does this make things better for society as a whole?" and in this case it's entirely likely that the answer will be an unqualified "yes".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Great to see so many applicants! Cant wait for #YEG to go green!
    and think of all the drug addiction and mental health clinics that will be needed!
    It would be odd for us to have a result drastically different from other jurisdictions that have legalized cannabis. In those cases the public health effects have generally been positive or, at the very least, neutral.
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    No kidding, one thing weed isn't is hard to acquire. This just moves these transactions away from the black market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It's going to keep fewer people from having criminal records or serving time in jail. It will also reduce the money available to the criminal element.

    Just look at the difference between having legal alcohol sales and prohibition.

    "Managing to function" is a ridiculous standard to base something on. The question should be :does this make things better for society as a whole?" and in this case it's entirely likely that the answer will be an unqualified "yes".
    "Better for society as a whole" That's your opinion and totally unsubstantiated. But oh well. Enjoy.
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    Doctors are already warning, they are seeing far too many children, get this [email protected] out of their way!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpeters View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    It's going to keep fewer people from having criminal records or serving time in jail. It will also reduce the money available to the criminal element.

    Just look at the difference between having legal alcohol sales and prohibition.

    "Managing to function" is a ridiculous standard to base something on. The question should be :does this make things better for society as a whole?" and in this case it's entirely likely that the answer will be an unqualified "yes".
    "Better for society as a whole" That's your opinion and totally unsubstantiated. But oh well. Enjoy.
    Just like the men who said (and some continue to say) that women voting would lead to destruction of society.

    And BTW, I don't intend to partake at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Doctors are already warning, they are seeing far too many children, get this [email protected] out of their way!!!
    The same way parents have to lock up colourful pills, colourful tide pods, colourful cleaners, and liquor cabinets, any one making pot brownies or candy from legal cannabis oil, or using vaping or cannabis cigarettes, has to lock them up if they have kids around. Even after legalization, I suspect alcohol or prescription ingestion related emergency room visits for children will still far outnumber those related to cannabis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ustauk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Doctors are already warning, they are seeing far too many children, get this [email protected] out of their way!!!
    The same way parents have to lock up colourful pills, colourful tide pods, colourful cleaners, and liquor cabinets, any one making pot brownies or candy from legal cannabis oil, or using vaping or cannabis cigarettes, has to lock them up if they have kids around. Even after legalization, I suspect alcohol or prescription ingestion related emergency room visits for children will still far outnumber those related to cannabis.

    Children are taking pot laced gummies to school, if you can't protect your own child, what about the others?? The list you have they haven't been taken to school!

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    Status of Cannabis Retail Development Permits in Downtown (Oct. 12), for anyone interested:

    10703 109 St - Withdrawn
    10507 104 Avenue - Refused
    10129 104 St - Refused
    10405 Jasper Ave - Withdrawn
    10275 Jasper Ave - On Hold
    10135 100A St. - Refused
    10888 Jasper Ave - Approved

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    It seems fairly ridiculous that only a single permit was able to be approved. I don't know specific reasons why the others were refused, too close to parks/schools I would assume, but it's silly that there may only be a single licensed operation in all of downtown for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile, if you throw a rock it'll bounce off 5 run-down liquor stores with bars on the windows before it comes to a stop.

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    Maybe more if you used a rubber ball.

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    AGLC pot prices are high. I'll stick with my grey market online retailer thanks.

    I wonder if those prices are lining up with some of the street front retailers. Anyone had a look?

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    Why would someone line up at 3.00 am , to get into a pot store. The first words he said, this is great for a stoner like me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Doctors are already warning, they are seeing far too many children, get this [email protected] out of their way!!!
    Won't someone please think of the children!

    I don't know if you ever went to school in Edmonton, but if you wanted to there was no difficulty in getting weed starting from a really young age. This will make literally zero difference, it's still illegal for kids now, just as it was then. Now it gets regulated and taxed and people don't go to jail for it, how horrendous.

    Maybe we shouldn't sell alcohol and prescription drugs either, since kids could get their hands on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It seems fairly ridiculous that only a single permit was able to be approved. I don't know specific reasons why the others were refused, too close to parks/schools I would assume, but it's silly that there may only be a single licensed operation in all of downtown for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile, if you throw a rock it'll bounce off 5 run-down liquor stores with bars on the windows before it comes to a stop.
    I'm assuming some of the refused ones might be contemplating an appeal, it just hasn't been updated yet.

    There are only maybe 3-4 liquor stores in the entire Downtown area, that separation distance is being proposed to be scrapped or reduced.
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    ^There are, however, 3-4 that have been approved just north or east of Downtown. I was just listing the ones within our boundaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Doctors are already warning, they are seeing far too many children, get this [email protected] out of their way!!!
    Won't someone please think of the children!

    I don't know if you ever went to school in Edmonton, but if you wanted to there was no difficulty in getting weed starting from a really young age. This will make literally zero difference, it's still illegal for kids now, just as it was then. Now it gets regulated and taxed and people don't go to jail for it, how horrendous.

    Maybe we shouldn't sell alcohol and prescription drugs either, since kids could get their hands on that.
    My children went, no problems with pot at all, My grandchildren go now, again no problem with pot.
    If hey want it, they will get a stupid adult to buy it

    One guy said he spent $230.00 , normally that would cost around $100.00 he wont be back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post

    Yes, it was on the news..I'm glad they were not smoking around her

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSPACE View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It seems fairly ridiculous that only a single permit was able to be approved. I don't know specific reasons why the others were refused, too close to parks/schools I would assume, but it's silly that there may only be a single licensed operation in all of downtown for the foreseeable future. Meanwhile, if you throw a rock it'll bounce off 5 run-down liquor stores with bars on the windows before it comes to a stop.
    I'm assuming some of the refused ones might be contemplating an appeal, it just hasn't been updated yet.

    There are only maybe 3-4 liquor stores in the entire Downtown area, that separation distance is being proposed to be scrapped or reduced.
    I was using "downtown" in the general sense, which would include Oliver. There has to be at least 20-30 liquor stores between Downtown and Oliver. A quick count on Google maps yields 20.

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    Now there is a young brilliant entrepreneur!

    Customers with the 'munchies', buy lots of cookies!

    She will be a marketing millionaire by the time she is 18!
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    The federal government has made a good move in repealing an unnecessary and unjust law but it's only a beginning.
    The governments' own study (The Ledaine Commission) recommended they do this back in 1972.
    Since then, thousands of Canadians, many as young as 16 & 17 have been saddled with criminal records for possessing as little as a joint or two.
    These records severely reduced employment opportunities, travel opportunities and gave innocent people the stigma of a criminal label.
    First, the government needs to issue a blanket pardon to those with simple possession records.
    Then Trudeau needs to issue an official apology for not acting sooner on their own commissions' advice.
    Finally, compensation must be considered, especially for the 16 and 17 year olds who were thrown into the criminal justice system with no offer of legal help or advice given to them. The injustice of this was finally recognized in 84 with the proclamation of the Young Offenders Act but all through the 70's and early 80's thousands of kids were labelled criminals for doing something that is now recognized as perfectly legal.

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    Oh god, not another apology...he did his apology tour ..doesn't he have better things to do? Like, turning over documents to the court, that involve Brison..

    First, the government needs to issue a blanket pardon to those with simple possession records.
    Then Trudeau needs to issue an official apology for not acting sooner on their own commissions' advice.

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    An injustice has been done, an apology is the least he could do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60 View Post
    The federal government has made a good move in repealing an unnecessary and unjust law but it's only a beginning.
    The governments' own study (The Ledaine Commission) recommended they do this back in 1972.
    Since then, thousands of Canadians, many as young as 16 & 17 have been saddled with criminal records for possessing as little as a joint or two.
    These records severely reduced employment opportunities, travel opportunities and gave innocent people the stigma of a criminal label.
    First, the government needs to issue a blanket pardon to those with simple possession records.
    Then Trudeau needs to issue an official apology for not acting sooner on their own commissions' advice.
    Finally, compensation must be considered, especially for the 16 and 17 year olds who were thrown into the criminal justice system with no offer of legal help or advice given to them. The injustice of this was finally recognized in 84 with the proclamation of the Young Offenders Act but all through the 70's and early 80's thousands of kids were labelled criminals for doing something that is now recognized as perfectly legal.

    The government shouldn't do any of these things. Especially compensate.

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    There were still lines this morning outside of the 104 st cannabis shop. I thought they would die down, but apparently not.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    It's amazing, does anybody work? ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    It's amazing, does anybody work? ..
    I agree

    If I was an employer, I would be watching the news to see if any of my missing employees are standing in line.

    I wonder what the cost will be in lost productivity across Canada with a workforce that turns lethargic from smoking too much weed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60 View Post
    The federal government has made a good move in repealing an unnecessary and unjust law but it's only a beginning.
    The governments' own study (The Ledaine Commission) recommended they do this back in 1972.
    Since then, thousands of Canadians, many as young as 16 & 17 have been saddled with criminal records for possessing as little as a joint or two.
    These records severely reduced employment opportunities, travel opportunities and gave innocent people the stigma of a criminal label.
    First, the government needs to issue a blanket pardon to those with simple possession records.
    Then Trudeau needs to issue an official apology for not acting sooner on their own commissions' advice.
    Finally, compensation must be considered, especially for the 16 and 17 year olds who were thrown into the criminal justice system with no offer of legal help or advice given to them. The injustice of this was finally recognized in 84 with the proclamation of the Young Offenders Act but all through the 70's and early 80's thousands of kids were labelled criminals for doing something that is now recognized as perfectly legal.
    The pardons are fine and make sense. The rest is not necessary. The previous policy was within the rights of the government and generally supported by the population. Attitudes have changed so policy has changed.

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    People who want a pardon can apply for one. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    People who want a pardon can apply for one. Right?
    I think once the new bill is passed they can apply and there will be no costs associated with it. This only for simple possession charges so if you got a trafficking charge as well you wouldn't be eligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60 View Post
    The federal government has made a good move in repealing an unnecessary and unjust law but it's only a beginning.
    The governments' own study (The Ledaine Commission) recommended they do this back in 1972.
    Since then, thousands of Canadians, many as young as 16 & 17 have been saddled with criminal records for possessing as little as a joint or two.
    These records severely reduced employment opportunities, travel opportunities and gave innocent people the stigma of a criminal label.
    First, the government needs to issue a blanket pardon to those with simple possession records.
    Then Trudeau needs to issue an official apology for not acting sooner on their own commissions' advice.
    Finally, compensation must be considered, especially for the 16 and 17 year olds who were thrown into the criminal justice system with no offer of legal help or advice given to them. The injustice of this was finally recognized in 84 with the proclamation of the Young Offenders Act but all through the 70's and early 80's thousands of kids were labelled criminals for doing something that is now recognized as perfectly legal.
    The pardons are fine and make sense. The rest is not necessary. The previous policy was within the rights of the government and generally supported by the population. Attitudes have changed so policy has changed.
    The above could be also be said about Japanese internment in WW2 and Residential schools, why is this any different?

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    From today's Journal editorial:
    "Those criminal records are a black mark that can seriously hinder the offender’s ability to travel abroad, find a job or home, obtain child custody and handicap one’s future dealings with the justice system. It’s a disproportionately harsh and enduring punishment for a law no longer on the books and for an act that now considered as banal as carrying a six-pack of beer."
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    Great day for Canada as a whole. Glad to see Edmonton has some of the least restrictive bylaws for Cannabis. But we can do better.

    For 1 we immediately need to allow indoor consumption places for adults. We have bars. There is no reason we cant have Cannabis Lounges. Currently if you are not a home owner, there is no indoor locations you can consume Cannabis (unless your Landlord is chill - Boardwalk is NOT CHILL) and that really is not fair to renters.

    Also for the gloom and doom 'think of the children' 'the sky is falling' 'society will all become lazy Doritos eaters' ​people all I can say is LOL - you are wrong and Na na na na na - we won!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Great day for Canada as a whole. Glad to see Edmonton has some of the least restrictive bylaws for Cannabis. But we can do better.

    For 1 we immediately need to allow indoor consumption places for adults. We have bars. There is no reason we cant have Cannabis Lounges. Currently if you are not a home owner, there is no indoor locations you can consume Cannabis (unless your Landlord is chill - Boardwalk is NOT CHILL) and that really is not fair to renters.

    Also for the gloom and doom 'think of the children' 'the sky is falling' 'society will all become lazy Doritos eaters' ​people all I can say is LOL - you are wrong and Na na na na na - we won!

    Give it time, many people are very much against this. Did you see where Colorado wished they could put the genie back in the bottle?
    Or the black market cut prices and are looking at oils and edibles..

    Sunshine, this is just the start..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60 View Post
    An injustice has been done, an apology is the least he could do.
    Rubbish, they broke the damn law!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60 View Post
    The federal government has made a good move in repealing an unnecessary and unjust law but it's only a beginning.
    The governments' own study (The Ledaine Commission) recommended they do this back in 1972.
    Since then, thousands of Canadians, many as young as 16 & 17 have been saddled with criminal records for possessing as little as a joint or two.
    These records severely reduced employment opportunities, travel opportunities and gave innocent people the stigma of a criminal label.
    First, the government needs to issue a blanket pardon to those with simple possession records.
    Then Trudeau needs to issue an official apology for not acting sooner on their own commissions' advice.
    Finally, compensation must be considered, especially for the 16 and 17 year olds who were thrown into the criminal justice system with no offer of legal help or advice given to them. The injustice of this was finally recognized in 84 with the proclamation of the Young Offenders Act but all through the 70's and early 80's thousands of kids were labelled criminals for doing something that is now recognized as perfectly legal.
    The pardons are fine and make sense. The rest is not necessary. The previous policy was within the rights of the government and generally supported by the population. Attitudes have changed so policy has changed.
    The above could be also be said about Japanese internment in WW2 and Residential schools, why is this any different?

    The government was rounding up groups of people and forcing them to possess the marijuana and then giving them criminal records? Why was this never on the news?

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    Totally agree. As if the black market and organized crime was just going to disappear. All they did was create more criminal opportunities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60 View Post
    The federal government has made a good move in repealing an unnecessary and unjust law but it's only a beginning.
    The governments' own study (The Ledaine Commission) recommended they do this back in 1972.
    Since then, thousands of Canadians, many as young as 16 & 17 have been saddled with criminal records for possessing as little as a joint or two.
    These records severely reduced employment opportunities, travel opportunities and gave innocent people the stigma of a criminal label.
    First, the government needs to issue a blanket pardon to those with simple possession records.
    Then Trudeau needs to issue an official apology for not acting sooner on their own commissions' advice.
    Finally, compensation must be considered, especially for the 16 and 17 year olds who were thrown into the criminal justice system with no offer of legal help or advice given to them. The injustice of this was finally recognized in 84 with the proclamation of the Young Offenders Act but all through the 70's and early 80's thousands of kids were labelled criminals for doing something that is now recognized as perfectly legal.
    The pardons are fine and make sense. The rest is not necessary. The previous policy was within the rights of the government and generally supported by the population. Attitudes have changed so policy has changed.
    The above could be also be said about Japanese internment in WW2 and Residential schools, why is this any different?
    Because the first two are human rights violations that destroyed the lives people based on their ethnicity. That is vastly different than people who were arrested for choosing to use a banned substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    It's amazing, does anybody work? ..
    I agree

    If I was an employer, I would be watching the news to see if any of my missing employees are standing in line.

    I wonder what the cost will be in lost productivity across Canada with a workforce that turns lethargic from smoking too much weed?
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    Your question is complicated. While I don't discount the issues a few comments;

    The cannabinoid factor in pot is more about painkilling rather than the high. For many populations, and even old farts like us, this part can help alleviate pain and keep people at work when they might now otherwise feel like it.

    The THC part is more the high. That's more of the part that would lead to perception and altered thought process. The more dangerous aspect of pot.

    Most people are age are getting, and being marketed the pot that is high in cannabinoids and low in THC.

    its essentially why the blanket question about what effect pot will have is arguably errant in the first place. What kind of pot, what strain. This is not like alcohol where there is one Central Nervous system depressant effect. The effects are varied and complicated.
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    So its interesting that Nationwide postmedia and other media sources were running articles on the end of prohibition and how there was hardly any demand for alcohol (at least legal alcohol sales) at end of prohibition. The expressed thought being that legalization of pot will be met with very little added demand.

    yet extremely long lineups at every vendor and even at the Govt elevated prices (which really are not maintainable or helpful in eradicating black market).

    So why was there a media attempt to minimize what impact legalization had. its hard to argue anything that the response and early days have been wildly beyond what anybody forecast. Even with limited avenues and vendors and ridiculous pricing legal pot is being a best seller this week. People are buying up like this is Costco.

    What is this really saying about our culture, our spending, our patterns. its hilarious too that any pot vendor is looking and feeling like an apple store buyer experience setting. Intimate customer help, walk you through products with displays, interactive, lap tops, and the whole tech bit. Not only are these vendors selling pot they are selling pre-established informed marketing technique. These are experienced power vendors just now selling pot. It seems like nobody factored in that last part, that successful sales techniques and established sales experts, applied to this pot market, will increase sales, demand, and usage of pot. I can see that happening.

    Was the media really this out to lunch or were they mitigating for the feds and the legalizing?

    Rolled out like this by established players this was always going to be huge. This isn't ma and pa potshop any more.
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    I’d say it’s just writers trying different angles on the story. The media stories I heard never mentioned a possible lack of interest in buying.

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    I’d say it’s just writers trying different angles on the story. The media stories I heard never mentioned a possible lack of interest in buying.
    Media ran with the repeal of prohibition angle constantly. Post media doing several stories in this theme detailing how Government stores saw hardly any customers after alcohol prohibition was repealed. In Edmonton in 1920's around a dozen people were lined up at the one store DT.


    I'm a bit suspicious that some specific angles were going on. The media has been very behind this and as much as I am as well, and think legalization is the right answer, I think this roll out has offered a lot of the worst ways of doing this.


    Number 1 is price and limited availability. Price is too high to knock out black market basically erasing much of the point of doing this and the lack of supply and sellouts results in the same, reinforcing black market suppliers.


    Added, theres been such overhead overkill going on in what is being grossly run by Government, in what perhaps ought to be privitization. For instance in Alberta the legalization is requiring 11M in new staffing costs. How is that even possible? We have a department that already existed, already had overkill bloat in employment and they just added one product mix into the equation and they need 11M more in new staff just in Alberta?


    This means that the govt is charging high prices, but due to obscene overhead they aren't even making profit in which to counter expected societal problems ensuing.
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    Next, Fetal marijuana. What will be the enormous generational costs in that? We never even got a Fetal alcohol epidemic in control. Now we are dealing with a drug much more pervasive, long lasting, and that can have untold and not yet fully understood impacts.

    https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicatio...ancy-harm-baby

    This is a huge social experiment that there is no do over for and that we are woefully unprepared for. We've had decades to do much better study and testing in human populations and really we're going into this largely blind. What does this result in decades later?
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    Wasn’t research on the chemicals banned by the US government?



    Will smoking marijuana during pregnancy harm the child?

    https://edmontonfetalalcoholnetwork....arm-the-child/
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    What people do in their own free time is their free time.
    That goes without saying, as long as it is their free time! I can't believe this many people don't have jobs to go to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Wasn’t research on the chemicals banned by the US government?



    Will smoking marijuana during pregnancy harm the child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Great day for Canada as a whole. Glad to see Edmonton has some of the least restrictive bylaws for Cannabis. But we can do better.
    Yes we can. We can rescind the entire legalization and reconsider some form of decriminalization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Yep. Or as some will call it "a great day for Canada."
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    The interesting thing, and its astounding this was not adequately foreseen, is that the end of prohibition resulted in some of the most profound atrocity, competition, murders etc, from gangland attempting to hold onto their pie. These were the most notorious of times. Ending Prohibition didn't really hit the gangs real hard, or eradicate them, or lead to peace from them. It resulted in subsequent shifts and escalations. In some way ending prohibition just furthered other illicit crimes as recourse. The crime didn't go away.

    In the same way I wonder what unforeseen consequences there now are to legalization. We've seen one example with the brazen robbery in the news. This being relatively mild to what could occur. Really I wonder if anybody working in a pot shop or connected with the industry has entirely thought this out. Any one of the positions would be more exposed than working in a Liquor store.

    Theres this notion that sanitizing production with stainless steel, making grow ops look like science labs, and making stores look and feel like Apple shops is putting a nice face on an industry that typically has been anything but. With all those players still in the background considering their next illegal moves.

    When do they start hitting trucks, shipments, infiltrating mail outs etc? Theres too much money on the line for their to not be problems. The only way Govt Pot could have effectively dealt with all that would be by minimizing the price per ounce. What would really kill criminal impetus in pot is to devalue the price of pot. They didn't do that, they matched price on par. Soon as they did that they were aligned with con pricing and ironically accepted going rates of the illegal pot marketers. Thereby just insuring raids, further crime, brazen thefts etc.

    I can't help but think how long it is before some of these pot shops are raided, infiltrated etc. Some of them might be already.
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    I guess we should also ban liquor stores.

    Teenagers rob multiple liquor stores, hurl bottles at police officer

    Three youths and one man reportedly robbed two different liquor marts making away with numerous expensive liquor bottles, according to the Winnipeg Police Service.


    The first robbery happened at a Manitoba Liquor Mart in the 2800 block of Pembina Highway on Aug. 24 around 4 p.m.


    Police said in a news release, the suspects parked at the back of the store to avoid being detected. The man stayed in the car, while the three teenagers covered their faces and stole multiple bottles between $3,500 and $4,000.




    The group then drove to a second Manitoba Liquor Mart in the 400 block of North Town Road and two youth entered the store.


    The store manager was threatened as he tried to approach them, and they stole a number of bottle of alcohol, but were confronted by an off-duty RCMP member.


    He identified himself as an officer and the teenagers began throwing bottles at him, hitting him in the head and eventually escaping. The officer suffered minor injuries.


    They stole approximately $1,200 worth of liquor.

    https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/teenager...icer-1.4076000
    And banks.

    Two men face string of charges after armed 2016 rural bank heists

    Two men face a total of 35 charges after two Edmonton area bank heists in 2016, say RCMP.


    The first robbery dates back to April 15, 2016, when Redwater RCMP were called around 2 p.m. to the Alberta Treasury Branch in the hamlet of Radway, about 52 km north of Edmonton.


    Police at the time said two masked robbers were given cash after one of the men brandished what appeared to be a handgun. The pair fled in a stolen truck, which investigators found burned out.


    The second bank robbery was also at an Alberta Treasury Branch, this time in the hamlet of Holden — about 100 km east of Edmonton — around 3:30 p.m. on May 16, 2016. Again, two masked men fled the bank with cash after one of them pulled what appeared to be a gun. Police later recovered a stolen SUV.

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/cri...al-bank-heists

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    I think we should ban hate-peddlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    I guess we should also ban liquor stores.

    Teenagers rob multiple liquor stores, hurl bottles at police officer

    Three youths and one man reportedly robbed two different liquor marts making away with numerous expensive liquor bottles, according to the Winnipeg Police Service.


    The first robbery happened at a Manitoba Liquor Mart in the 2800 block of Pembina Highway on Aug. 24 around 4 p.m.


    Police said in a news release, the suspects parked at the back of the store to avoid being detected. The man stayed in the car, while the three teenagers covered their faces and stole multiple bottles between $3,500 and $4,000.




    The group then drove to a second Manitoba Liquor Mart in the 400 block of North Town Road and two youth entered the store.


    The store manager was threatened as he tried to approach them, and they stole a number of bottle of alcohol, but were confronted by an off-duty RCMP member.


    He identified himself as an officer and the teenagers began throwing bottles at him, hitting him in the head and eventually escaping. The officer suffered minor injuries.


    They stole approximately $1,200 worth of liquor.

    https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/teenager...icer-1.4076000
    And banks.

    Two men face string of charges after armed 2016 rural bank heists

    Two men face a total of 35 charges after two Edmonton area bank heists in 2016, say RCMP.


    The first robbery dates back to April 15, 2016, when Redwater RCMP were called around 2 p.m. to the Alberta Treasury Branch in the hamlet of Radway, about 52 km north of Edmonton.


    Police at the time said two masked robbers were given cash after one of the men brandished what appeared to be a handgun. The pair fled in a stolen truck, which investigators found burned out.


    The second bank robbery was also at an Alberta Treasury Branch, this time in the hamlet of Holden — about 100 km east of Edmonton — around 3:30 p.m. on May 16, 2016. Again, two masked men fled the bank with cash after one of them pulled what appeared to be a gun. Police later recovered a stolen SUV.

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/cri...al-bank-heists
    What a heap of rot. Liquor is notoriously cheap to produce. Anybody that works in a liquor store is instructed, in the case of theft, just to allow the theft and then report it. Its not worth the hassle of doing much more as the Liquor isn't typically worth much. What is expensive is often behind lock and or in direct video recorded view..


    next Liquor is commonly accessed. Theres no shortages, ever, and it doesn't cost 20bucks for one bloody drink like buying a gram of bud.


    In any case the thread is not about Liquor stores. anybody knows that things can go on there potentially. Get in, get out not being bad advice.


    But we're talkin a NEW merchandising here with all inexperienced people running these things and that may not have had valuable experience in how best to deal with potential theft etc. Next, due to the nature of pot, being expensive by the gram, A reasonably healthy person could walk out carrying a garbage bag of 30-40lbs of the stuff. I mean we're talking a portable means of ******* cleaning out the ENTIRE store and with a net that is way in excess of what a dude could carry away from a Liquor store. Do the elemental math. 454grams to a pound. At an average of say 11bucks gram carrying one measley pound out of a store is a 5K hit. 10lbs is 50K. Somebody could do that riding an escape bicycle..


    Try to do a 50K street value theft from a Liquor store. See if you can without a Semi Truck parked outside and an hour or so to pack while police have guns drawn...You'd have trouble walking out of a liguor store with even 500bucks of liquor and your face would be plastered on wanted posters everywhere.


    vs grab a bag, go to a pot shop and point a gun at store clerks faces until they give you every gram of pot they have in the store. In minutes.


    Gee, I wonder which would be easier to hit?
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    A $20 gram of weed can get one person high 5 times, each high is equivalent to drinking 5 beers. Show me $20 worth of liquor that can get you drunk 5 times.
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    A $20 gram of weed would only be bought by someone real desperate - it's at least 2X the price on the street or in the shops.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Well, there you go! Weed is incredibly cheap compared to booze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    A $20 gram of weed can get one person high 5 times, each high is equivalent to drinking 5 beers. Show me $20 worth of liquor that can get you drunk 5 times.
    lmao. A gram is about 3 joints. Albeit it varies according to size preference and some would roll it into one joint. But lol at the thought of 5 people getting very high sharing one joint. 5 giggling Junior High students maybe.


    Many liquor stores you can pick up any variety of spirits for 20bucks or less. 40% alcohol.


    But you entirely missed the point. A pot shop would be much more of a robbery hit risk as you can obtain a lb of weed worth in neighborhood of 5K and just walk away. Try robbing 5K of booze some time. Pot is cheap by WEIGHT which was my whole point and response regarding the robbery concerns.

    btw the current stock of available Cannabis dried flowers from ALGC range in price from 10bucks/gram to 50bucks/3.5gram. A tiny vile of Cannabis Oil goes for as much as 90bucks. Hardly cheap.
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    5 people getting high on one joint happens, this weed is not the weak weed you remember from your hippie days. Cannabis oil costs money to extract, it is also highly concentrated. One drop is all you need to feel the effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    Totally agree. As if the black market and organized crime was just going to disappear. All they did was create more criminal opportunities.
    Yeah, huge money in bootlegging and moonshine these days...

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