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    Default Edmonton Oilers 2018/19 Season

    The Oilers are about to start Training Camp, and are a little less than a month away from the NHL season.
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    Getting a little concerned that Nurse isn't signed yet. They don't have the depth to start the season without him, and it would be best if he doesn't miss any or all of training camp.

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    Benson and Jones have been knocking it out of the park thus far.
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    Benson is a star, think Hall Jr.
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    Before we get too excited think of the level of competition they faced last night. I do think Benson is going to be an NHL player there is a long way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Benson is a star, think Hall Jr.
    I think you could be drunk.

    Benson, good chance he never even makes the NHL or sticks for more than a cup of coffee.

    Basically anything from him pales even in comparison to a Ty Rattie.

    Caleb Jones is probably the best looking prospect in these games so far. He's my darkhorse to make noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    Basically anything from him pales even in comparison to a Ty Rattie.


    Why are you comparing players 5 years apart in drafting/development/age? Are you saying that Benson currently pales in comparison to present day Rattie, who is 5 years older? Or Rattie when he was the same age as Benson currently is? Because if you're comparing their current selves to each other, that makes little sense given the big difference in age.

    Interestingly enough, they were drafted in the exact same position in the draft. Benson's numbers in junior weren't as big as Rattie's, but Benson also spent most of his late teens getting operated on, so it's really hard to say what kind of player he's capable of becoming. He was a phenomenal prospect in his junior draft year, but he also physically matured extremely early, so that might be part of why he lit up Bantam hockey.

    I haven't seen Benson play at all, so I can't really comment much on him. But Rattie is a known quantity at this point: an offense only guy who has been tossed aside by a couple NHL teams. Maybe he's finally figured it out, but I doubt he'll be with the team in a year. He's never put up particularly great numbers in the AHL.

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    Josh Morrissey signs with Winterpeg for a 2-year $3.15M deal - that should get the Nurse deal done sooner than later since Morrissey was one of their big comparables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
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    Basically anything from him pales even in comparison to a Ty Rattie.


    Why are you comparing players 5 years apart in drafting/development/age? Are you saying that Benson currently pales in comparison to present day Rattie, who is 5 years older? Or Rattie when he was the same age as Benson currently is? Because if you're comparing their current selves to each other, that makes little sense given the big difference in age.

    Interestingly enough, they were drafted in the exact same position in the draft. Benson's numbers in junior weren't as big as Rattie's, but Benson also spent most of his late teens getting operated on, so it's really hard to say what kind of player he's capable of becoming. He was a phenomenal prospect in his junior draft year, but he also physically matured extremely early, so that might be part of why he lit up Bantam hockey.

    I haven't seen Benson play at all, so I can't really comment much on him. But Rattie is a known quantity at this point: an offense only guy who has been tossed aside by a couple NHL teams. Maybe he's finally figured it out, but I doubt he'll be with the team in a year. He's never put up particularly great numbers in the AHL.
    I'm saying Rattie was twice as good a junior prospect. Rattie was a star player in the WHl, one of the best. Benson didn't even distinguish in Juniors. Benson was a phenom in Bantam, not recently.

    Why would I be comparing the current selves? I'm comparing what they were out of Junior as an illustration of how tough the NHL is.

    At best at this stage Benson is an AHL player. So many injuries before age 18 commonly sideline player careers and dreams. Which has been big storyline with Benson. One can't wish away the injury history and how much that has cost Benson, It is what it is, his career is probably flatlined because of it.


    but even when Benson wasn't injured in last Junior Season his numbers were still non stellar. Nothing close to Rattie peak in junior.
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    It's still an odd comparison to make. Rattie has, as far as I know, been healthy since he graduated junior and has done nothing much to distinguish himself. It's nice that he was a great player in junior, but that's 5 years behind him. We know he's a mediocre AHL player who had a little over a dozen decent games with the best player on the planet. Benson, on the other hand, has not had a single healthy season since he joined junior, essentially. We know what Rattie is capable of in the AHL and to a lesser extent the NHL: not much. We don't know much of anything about Benson at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It's still an odd comparison to make. Rattie has, as far as I know, been healthy since he graduated junior and has done nothing much to distinguish himself. It's nice that he was a great player in junior, but that's 5 years behind him. We know he's a mediocre AHL player who had a little over a dozen decent games with the best player on the planet. Benson, on the other hand, has not had a single healthy season since he joined junior, essentially. We know what Rattie is capable of in the AHL and to a lesser extent the NHL: not much. We don't know much of anything about Benson at this point.

    Disagree. Much more value in Rattie imo. Some players just get a raw deal sometimes, it happens. Rattie looks like a good pickup and I just mentioned him because at this level he's showing he can play and even on a topline. The only thing might be better at is in two way play. But my take is Benson continues to have injury misfortune.


    Not sure why you think Rattie won't be capable of much. the Oilers are featuring him on topline and so presently think different.


    If I'm a GM I specifically scour the NHL, AHL, world, for players that are good but just didn't stick. The Oilers did that with Rattie, Gravel, Jerabek, and those guys are ready to unpack and are developed. As much stead as drafting gets, in a cap environment the players that you manage to find that have been discarded or cut can be good pieces. In the case of Gravel mostly just a numbers game in LA and crohns which from reports has gone a lot better for Gravel. The point being the #8 D in LA is easily good enough to make our squad.
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    Nurse signs 2-year, $6.4 M contract.
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    Awesome. That's what we needed in terms of his salary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Awesome. That's what we needed in terms of his salary.
    maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but it would also be awesome if it's a reflection of his own assessment of the blue line depth in camp and not wanting to lose ground by holding out and giving them more exposure and time to establish themselves. which would be good news if true and better news if it turns out to be accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Nurse signs 2-year, $6.4 M contract.
    Perfect. Package him and Sekera to Ottawa for Mark Stone. Cripes this GM'ing is easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Nurse signs 2-year, $6.4 M contract.
    Great news. Think Darnell can really turn into a solid D that forwards won't take lightly! (as in dish out some truly Hellacious yet legal hits).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Awesome. That's what we needed in terms of his salary.
    maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but it would also be awesome if it's a reflection of his own assessment of the blue line depth in camp and not wanting to lose ground by holding out and giving them more exposure and time to establish themselves. which would be good news if true and better news if it turns out to be accurate.
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    The Oilers looked good in Vancouver tonight. They attacked better, and came back to defend.
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    Ty Rattie with a fantastic game. Him and Talbot were the best Oilers hands down. Rattie scored 2 goals including a brilliant strip of the backing D and went in and beat the d an Nillson.

    The D the Oil dressed last night weren't any good. Jerabek looked passable. Garrison had a rough outing. Jones is high risk both ways. Had his worst game of the preseason, really looked shaky, but then scores on a very good move to the slot.

    I so much more enjoy seeing Nillson when he is in some other net. Good riddance.
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    Outside of Benning, can't see any of the D that played getting regular time this year.
    Klefbom - Larsson
    Nurse - Benning
    Russell - Bouchard
    ?? Not sure the kid is ready.

    Talbot looked good, thankfully, Pulju much more concise and decisive with the puck as well.
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    ^Well... Russell was on the ice last night as well.
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    ^^^^^
    think about holding out longer for more money...
    look at those vying for blueline spots.
    assess their skills and talent.
    decide holding out gives them too much opportunity to prove their worth.
    sign and return to camp to defend a spot and prove your own worth instead.
    wishful thinking on my part?
    maybe, but good news if that assessment of skills and talent was made like that and better news if that skill and talent assessment turns out to be accurate.
    better?
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