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    LOL. You want to call other posters childish?? hahahaha.

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    Most of the time, you're on block. Which is so much nicer for me.
    You sure seem to take my bait an awful lot, so I'm gonna have to doubt this.

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    I don't believe you about where you work, anyone can say anything.
    Plenty of people here know where I work & can vouch I don't work for the government. If you had half a clue you would have been able to figure it out, just like they did.

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    Unionized, lol. Okay,
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    LOL. You want to call other posters childish?? hahahaha.
    you looking in the mirror son?

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    after seem soul-searching and self-analysis, i thought i would leave the Liberals and Trudeau - Performance Review thread alone for a short time and spend it on some threads with fewer biases, more objective posts and less childish behavior...

    little did i know.

    now i don't know where to turn to next.

    although before i leave another thread for a short time, i think i'll leave a biased opinion post here first:

    good government requires a constant balancing (over the medium to long term, not necessarily the short term) of income and expenses along with the needs and the expectations of the electorate, not all of which align even some of the time, never mind all of the time.

    the province of alberta's expenses under the ndp were by most measures higher than they could/should be in some areas but (a) they inherited most of that and (b) that's not the real issue that they faced or that the current government also needs to face.

    the real issue that the ndp inherited a structural deficit estimated before they were ever elected to be at least $8 billion a year. the province of alberta was clearly looking at an income deficit, not a spending deficit, regardless of who would have been elected. that income deficit was compounded by an infrastructure deficit that took decades to accumulate and which would, again, have to have been dealt with regardless of who would have been elected.

    the ndp did not have a perfect record in their four years as the governing party but - particularly when it comes to economics - they drastically outperformed my expectations given that not even they expected to get elected and doing so gave them a caucus with little if any real experience or depth which actually says a great deal about notley and her cabinet with more of it good than bad.

    the ndp's biggest failing - from my perspective - is that even in government they never stopped campaigning, a failing that is even more apparent now that they are once again in opposition. it's as if they don't seem to consider being in opposition as being a necessary and valuable role within government whether they are facing it or fulfilling it.

    as far as expectations go, i am probably more concerned about the choices kenney seems predisposed to make and their likely negative long-term impact on the province economically as well as socially than i would have been under a second ndp term. hopefully i will be wrong this time (as i was last time) but i'm not yet optimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    it's as if they don't seem to consider being in opposition as being a necessary and valuable role within government whether they are facing it or fulfilling it.
    At least they're providing an actual Opposition. The UCP provided no shadow budgets, walked out of votes & continue to act like impetuous, entitled children who knew they'd get what they wanted eventually, so why bother? Given the huge cultural conservative bias in Alberta, continued education & informing of the electorate is essential, though I can see how that can look "campaign-y" to some. It's an uphill struggle & the messaging is pretty consistent with what they used in their campaigns.

    I'd not think that consistent messaging & holding to your platform even as you have to reiterate it for the umpteenth time to be a negative, but hey, everyone's got an opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    LOL. You want to call other posters childish?? hahahaha.
    Right.? So amusing, until it isn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    it's as if they don't seem to consider being in opposition as being a necessary and valuable role within government whether they are facing it or fulfilling it.
    At least they're providing an actual Opposition. The UCP provided no shadow budgets, walked out of votes & continue to act like impetuous, entitled children who knew they'd get what they wanted eventually, so why bother? Given the huge cultural conservative bias in Alberta, continued education & informing of the electorate is essential, though I can see how that can look "campaign-y" to some. It's an uphill struggle & the messaging is pretty consistent with what they used in their campaigns.

    I'd not think that consistent messaging & holding to your platform even as you have to reiterate it for the umpteenth time to be a negative, but hey, everyone's got an opinion.
    it's the across the board 24/7 continual campaigning that i'm referring to even when the event is - or should be - non-partisan...

    as one example, it's being at a ribbon cutting or ground-breaking event to which the local mla has been invited because you always invite the local mla and then have the greetings delivered "on behalf of rachel notley and the ndp caucus" instead of "on behalf of the government of alberta" or "on behalf of the province of alberta".

    they may be members of the opposition but they are still a part of the government whose role is to represent all of their constituents in one direction and to represent all of the government in the other. at some point, the partisanship needs to be left at the door.

    ps. it bothers me just as much when the mla is a member of the governing party and says the same kind of thing. it also galls me to no end when there are cheques to be presented and credit is taken for things that many in the audience know would not have been approved if the presenter had had enough other mla's vote the way he or she did and i've seen that both when the presenter is in opposition and when the presenter is in government or in cabinet. it's been quite humourous sometimes to see an opposition mla and a cabinet minister both try and take credit for something that they have both opposed in one form or another - one of those hypocrisies upon which politicians earn their reputations i suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    after seem soul-searching and self-analysis, i thought i would leave the Liberals and Trudeau - Performance Review thread alone for a short time and spend it on some threads with fewer biases, more objective posts and less childish behavior...

    little did i know.

    now i don't know where to turn to next.

    although before i leave another thread for a short time, i think i'll leave a biased opinion post here first:

    good government requires a constant balancing (over the medium to long term, not necessarily the short term) of income and expenses along with the needs and the expectations of the electorate, not all of which align even some of the time, never mind all of the time.

    the province of alberta's expenses under the ndp were by most measures higher than they could/should be in some areas but (a) they inherited most of that and (b) that's not the real issue that they faced or that the current government also needs to face.

    the real issue that the ndp inherited a structural deficit estimated before they were ever elected to be at least $8 billion a year. the province of alberta was clearly looking at an income deficit, not a spending deficit, regardless of who would have been elected. that income deficit was compounded by an infrastructure deficit that took decades to accumulate and which would, again, have to have been dealt with regardless of who would have been elected.

    the ndp did not have a perfect record in their four years as the governing party but - particularly when it comes to economics - they drastically outperformed my expectations given that not even they expected to get elected and doing so gave them a caucus with little if any real experience or depth which actually says a great deal about notley and her cabinet with more of it good than bad.

    the ndp's biggest failing - from my perspective - is that even in government they never stopped campaigning, a failing that is even more apparent now that they are once again in opposition. it's as if they don't seem to consider being in opposition as being a necessary and valuable role within government whether they are facing it or fulfilling it.

    as far as expectations go, i am probably more concerned about the choices kenney seems predisposed to make and their likely negative long-term impact on the province economically as well as socially than i would have been under a second ndp term. hopefully i will be wrong this time (as i was last time) but i'm not yet optimistic.
    Good post.

    I found Notley to be refreshingly level headed, unemotional, and in many ways very Lougheed-like. She and her NDP team accomplished many positive things.

    Economically and even at the personal level, the hated carbon tax wasn’t as big a deal as it was made out to be. The utility legality fiasco was a huge slip up but something we could recover from. The minimum wage increase impacted very few people but sure got a lot of press. On most of these issues I don’t think people really notice the changes. Even aggregated the impacts weren’t all that great. (It’s still global oil prices, oil sector construction and oil, gas, agricultural access to foreign markets that change lives of the average voter.)

    Where I found Notley lacking was in
    1) her failure to come out and defend her government’s actions including the high/higher level of debt spending. (Preventing an economic collapse by increasing debt levels to create a soft landing is a very reasonable approach)
    2) not playing hardball with the private sector and using the savings to help bail out the private sector and those losing their jobs in the private sector
    3) not altering her carbon tax when it became clear that it bought us nothing (it should have been kept but she could have said cut it in half saying that we the Feds weren’t stepping up to help.)
    4) not shifting to highly visible austerity stance in her last year in order to reflect the new reality fact that our incredible oil sand sector has turned to **** in the face of record shale US production and pipeline blockades.
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    But #4 is diametrically opposed to #1. Just look at Saskatchewan for an example of how and austerity approach turned out as opposed to Notley's. A case can be made that a downturn, especially one with low interest rates, is exactly the time for the province to increase spending. All too often we see the big ticket government projects being announced during the boom times when the prices for material and labour are at a peak.

    This is the corner that the Conservatives have painted us into. By moving royalty revenue from the Heritage Fund into general revenues, they've not only made us more vulnerable to the volatility of world oil prices, it also means that for a party to advocate reversing that stance would be campaigning on raising taxes in order to replace the royalties to fund the government. Regardless of how much better off we'd be with a larger rainy day fund to see us through the bust cycles, The conservatives (the philosophy, not the party necissarily) would simply scream "They want to raise your taxes" and Albertans would follow along like sheep.

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    ^

    this will now be at least the third consecutive government who - because of silly election promises - who won't have the fortitude to bring in a harmonized sales tax for alberta, something that would have almost balanced the provincial budget on its own, would have gone a long way to preventing the accumulated debt to rise the way it has and enabled the province to start to correct that imbalance. this is one tradition where the ndp is just as guilty as the pc's and the upc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    ^

    this will now be at least the third consecutive government who - because of silly election promises - who won't have the fortitude to bring in a harmonized sales tax for alberta, something that would have almost balanced the provincial budget on its own, would have gone a long way to preventing the accumulated debt to rise the way it has and enabled the province to start to correct that imbalance. this is one tradition where the ndp is just as guilty as the pc's and the upc.
    A sales tax would initially depress spending and kill jobs to some extent. However, it would allow the government to make more intelligent decisions as in when to strategically take on debt vs having to take on debt when it’s the very opposite time that you’d want to be taking on debt - as in a recession. (We aren’t a global power where our recessions bring down interest rates. We can go into recession like that of the 1980s at very high interest rates. Think of the immense amount of wealth that bad luck timing stripped from Alberta!)

    Unfortunately the key to adding alternative stabilizing taxes is the need for a reward for the voters or a desperate voter base that sees the status quo as bringing plague and the black death. Maybe Kenney can spin it as paying down NDP debt and then - forget to remove it.

    I do think that our reliance on oil royalties means that a better system should be built to somehow reflect and adjust to the inherent volatility and eventual demise of the sector. When the sources of revenue fall, something eventually had to be cut back and hiding it through debt is a path to permanent loss of provincial wealth.

    Public sector services should be ranked and stratified. Eg you are a class 1 core service so 90% of your budget is protected. Plan around losing 10% overnight! Those guys up the hall though are a class 3 service and only 40% of their budget is protected. Contracts should have declining as well as escalating scales. Wages have to be able to be cut when depressions hit.

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    Because your average Albertan has been brainwashed to believe that a sales tax is simply evil. It's the whole "Alberta Advantage" fiction of low taxes. We sell our oil for the lowest price because we're selling bitumen instead of a product that most refineries can use. That limits our market to those refineries, mostly on the Gulf coast that can upgrade it. If it was the forestry sector, we'd be selling the logs instead of lumber or finished products.

    How do we get out of this? You've got me. We're locked in the "Taxes are eeevvviiilll!!!!" mindset with no obvious way out of it.

    If the NDP had proposed a sales tax to replace the royalty diversion, they would have lost even more seats than they did. So we're locked into the boom-bust cycle of spending like drunken sailors when the times are good and demanding that the government cut spending while not cutting services during the bad. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    But sure, let's call for independence like Kenney is doing and blame it all on everyone but ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    But #4 is diametrically opposed to #1. Just look at Saskatchewan for an example of how and austerity approach turned out as opposed to Notley's. A case can be made that a downturn, especially one with low interest rates, is exactly the time for the province to increase spending. All too often we see the big ticket government projects being announced during the boom times when the prices for material and labour are at a peak.

    This is the corner that the Conservatives have painted us into. By moving royalty revenue from the Heritage Fund into general revenues, they've not only made us more vulnerable to the volatility of world oil prices, it also means that for a party to advocate reversing that stance would be campaigning on raising taxes in order to replace the royalties to fund the government. Regardless of how much better off we'd be with a larger rainy day fund to see us through the bust cycles, The conservatives (the philosophy, not the party necissarily) would simply scream "They want to raise your taxes" and Albertans would follow along like sheep.
    It’s the timing and the assessment that matters. The province had billions in its stabilization fund but jumped at the chance go burn through that during the 2008/09 panic. Then in 2015 or 2016 savings disappeared overnight. A few billion is chump change for our now large population.

    The NDP pretty much had to do what they did do - borrow and spend. That recession ended though and action was needed to prepare to fight the next battle. They however kept fighting the last war - maybe waiting for $110/bbl oil and hundreds of billions in investment capital infusions to start flowing back into Alberta’s economy in a new bubble.

    Austerity budgets are insane during declines but debt-spending budgets are insane when your key exports may be sliding towards permanent obsolescence. Worse when they are commodities that are naturally volatile and where the lowest cost producer wins. It’s simple simple simple yet our political leaders can’t grasp that reality. They simply count on, and worse, assume that, inflation will erase the debt.

    So continued debt buildup just increases the risk that what might otherwise be stabilized through modest tax increases and spending cuts instead leads to massive cuts and maybe massive tax increases. (Think - same logic in a failure to act on risk of global warming. The problem compounds. Magical solutions may not present themselves. ...)
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    The timing was years ago when the Conservatives decided royalties were general revenue instead of an investment in the future.

    Good luck convincing Albertans to change that now. They're content with their artificially low taxes and Ralph Bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    it's the across the board 24/7 continual campaigning that i'm referring to even when the event is - or should be - non-partisan...

    as one example, it's being at a ribbon cutting or ground-breaking event to which the local mla has been invited because you always invite the local mla and then have the greetings delivered "on behalf of rachel notley and the ndp caucus" instead of "on behalf of the government of alberta" or "on behalf of the province of alberta".
    Wonder where they learned that trick from: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...article569222/

    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    they may be members of the opposition but they are still a part of the government whose role is to represent all of their constituents in one direction and to represent all of the government in the other. at some point, the partisanship needs to be left at the door.
    That's richer than gold-leaf-encrusted lava cake coming from a blue-blooded conservative.
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    I wonder when they’ll bring in slavery:
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    A sales tax would initially depress spending and kill jobs to some extent.
    So people are going to go without toilet paper?

    It is not like Albertans will suddenly go cross border shopping to BC and Sask. to get a car full of sales tax free goods. The only reason why a sales tax has not been imposed is because the politicians want to preserve their jobs and power.


    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    The timing was years ago when the Conservatives decided royalties were general revenue instead of an investment in the future.

    Good luck convincing Albertans to change that now. They're content with their artificially low taxes and Ralph Bucks.
    The politicians are not leaders. Leaders propose a good idea that would benefit all Albertans and then educate, discuss, debate and convince the public of the benefits of their idea.

    Instead politicians just play games with taxpayer money and run up a debt for another generation after the politicians get their golden pensions and move to BC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
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    That's richer than gold-leaf-encrusted lava cake coming from a blue-blooded conservative.
    sorry to disappoint you... i suppose there's not enough of your self-projected anticipation of bias to make you happy?

    at least you used a small c in conservative.
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    I just don't really remember you holding conservative parties to the same standards when the tables were turned. One standard for "us", one standard for "them". I'll happily retract if that's not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    I just don't really remember you holding conservative parties to the same standards when the tables were turned. One standard for "us", one standard for "them". I'll happily retract if that's not the case.
    so now you need to be party to my actual conversations with government and opposition and political party members of all parties before you can accept my opinion and thoughts on something as being my own?

    my opinions and thoughts are openly accepted by you as mine as long as you can demonstrate bias but my opinions and thoughts are challengeable by you as not really mine when you don't detect enough preconceived bias?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    so now you need to be party to my actual conversations with government and opposition and political party members of all parties before you can accept my opinion and thoughts on something as being my own?
    my opinions and thoughts are openly accepted by you as mine as long as you can demonstrate bias but my opinions and thoughts are challengeable by you as not really mine when you don't detect enough preconceived bias?
    Huh? I'm calling you a mild hypocrite, not accusing you of broadly being a ventriloquist's dummy. I completely agree your opinion & thoughts are the product of you. I also think you hold conservatives to a different standard than you hold progressives in a way that continues to reinforce your own beliefs.

    That's it, that's all.
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    Thanks for that amusing back n forth.

    How about Kenney and his plan to review minimum wages? Lots of small businesses claiming they can't afford to pay the new minimum wages, but yet minimum wage isn't enough to live off of... Why do we keep propping up unsustainable businesses if they can't even afford to pay their employees fairly?

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    Maybe they will suggest that you tip the self serve cashier machine at Walmart...
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    ^ The current government is moving rapidly towards a user pay model, whether it be government services or paying wages for workers in certain types of industries. If you need to access government services like land titles or motor vehicle services, or if you want to be served a drink at the bar, you are going to pay more. In some cases a lot more. At least as it comes to government services you'll have no choice. Servers wages will be determined at the whimsy of the consumer.

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    Drinks in bars, meals in restaurants went up, when wages went up. Its It's always passed down to the consumer. My daughter, is a manager of a lounge,she said they laid people off where she worked, tips weren't as good, neither were hours.
    My granddaughter, or one of them, backed all that up. She noticed, bums in seats went down, she doesn't rely on tips, because she still lives at home
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    A sales tax would initially depress spending and kill jobs to some extent.
    So people are going to go without toilet paper?

    It is not like Albertans will suddenly go cross border shopping to BC and Sask. to get a car full of sales tax free goods. The only reason why a sales tax has not been imposed is because the politicians want to preserve their jobs and power.


    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    The timing was years ago when the Conservatives decided royalties were general revenue instead of an investment in the future.

    Good luck convincing Albertans to change that now. They're content with their artificially low taxes and Ralph Bucks.
    The politicians are not leaders. Leaders propose a good idea that would benefit all Albertans and then educate, discuss, debate and convince the public of the benefits of their idea.

    Instead politicians just play games with taxpayer money and run up a debt for another generation after the politicians get their golden pensions and move to BC.
    What you say is true, however leaders do not pass legislation and decide spending and taxation priorities unless they are also politicians.

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    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ions-1.5249900

    Former Edmonton city councillor and LGBTQ rights pioneer Michael Phair will be replaced by Kate Chisholm, a senior vice-president and Chief Legal and Sustainability Office for Capital Power. Phair was appointed chair of the University of Alberta in February 2016.
    Ray Pisani, president and CEO of Alberta Blue Cross, replaces former NDP Leader Ray Martin as the chair of the board of governors of the Northern Alberta Institute of Technology (NAIT).
    Alex Pourbaix, CEO of energy company Cenovus, has been named as board chair at Mount Royal University.
    Sue Mallon, the former chair, was appointed by the NDP government in December 2016.
    Jill Wyatt, another NDP appointment, is out as the chair of the University of Calgary's board.
    Geeta Sankappanavar, president of Grafton Asset Management, will take her place.
    All told, the provincial government appointed new board members at 11 of Alberta's post-secondary institutions.
    Ugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ions-1.5249900

    Former Edmonton city councillor and LGBTQ rights pioneer Michael Phair will be replaced by Kate Chisholm, a senior vice-president and Chief Legal and Sustainability Office for Capital Power. Phair was appointed chair of the University of Alberta in February 2016.
    Ray Pisani, president and CEO of Alberta Blue Cross, replaces former NDP Leader Ray Martin as the chair of the board of governors of the Northern Alberta Institute of Technology (NAIT).
    Alex Pourbaix, CEO of energy company Cenovus, has been named as board chair at Mount Royal University.
    Sue Mallon, the former chair, was appointed by the NDP government in December 2016.
    Jill Wyatt, another NDP appointment, is out as the chair of the University of Calgary's board.
    Geeta Sankappanavar, president of Grafton Asset Management, will take her place.
    All told, the provincial government appointed new board members at 11 of Alberta's post-secondary institutions.
    Ugh.
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    NDP Advanced Education Critic David Eggen warned the sweep was like a return to the days when former Progressive Conservative governments appointed their allies to agencies, boards and commissions. "This is a shameful return to the bad old days of cronyism and political favours given out in exchange for services and/or money," Eggen said.
    While the NDP named their allies to similar positions, Eggen claimed the system introduced by his government required prospective appointees to apply and undergo interviews.
    Eggen said the also NDP waited until terms ran out before naming people to positions.
    That's why. They're cutting short the terms of people who went through at least some sort of vetting process so they can stick their corporate buddies into the highest positions possible in public institutions as they see fit.

    New conservatives, same as the old conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    NDP Advanced Education Critic David Eggen warned the sweep was like a return to the days when former Progressive Conservative governments appointed their allies to agencies, boards and commissions. "This is a shameful return to the bad old days of cronyism and political favours given out in exchange for services and/or money," Eggen said.
    While the NDP named their allies to similar positions, Eggen claimed the system introduced by his government required prospective appointees to apply and undergo interviews.
    Eggen said the also NDP waited until terms ran out before naming people to positions.
    That's why. They're cutting short the terms of people who went through at least some sort of vetting process so they can stick their corporate buddies into the highest positions possible in public institutions as they see fit.

    New conservatives, same as the old conservatives.
    Lol, and the NDP didn't fill those positions with their union buddies and other allies when they came to power? So what if it happened sooner rather than later. And I can imagine the "interview process" done by the NDP was rather slanted towards any candidates they wanted in. Don't kid yourself, the people that were apppointed when the NDP "interviewed" them were dripping with orange colours. Eggan can claim whatever he wants. Sour grapes on your part, big surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    NDP Advanced Education Critic David Eggen warned the sweep was like a return to the days when former Progressive Conservative governments appointed their allies to agencies, boards and commissions. "This is a shameful return to the bad old days of cronyism and political favours given out in exchange for services and/or money," Eggen said.
    While the NDP named their allies to similar positions, Eggen claimed the system introduced by his government required prospective appointees to apply and undergo interviews.
    Eggen said the also NDP waited until terms ran out before naming people to positions.
    That's why. They're cutting short the terms of people who went through at least some sort of vetting process so they can stick their corporate buddies into the highest positions possible in public institutions as they see fit.

    New conservatives, same as the old conservatives.
    Lol, and the NDP didn't fill those positions with their union buddies and other allies when they came to power? So what if it happened sooner rather than later. And I can imagine the "interview process" done by the NDP was rather slanted towards any candidates they wanted in. Don't kid yourself, the people that were apppointed when the NDP "interviewed" them were dripping with orange colours. Eggan can claim whatever he wants. Sour grapes on your part, big surprise.
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    nothing surprising, all governments appoint their own people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trick91 View Post
    nothing surprising, all governments appoint their own people.
    Of course they do, you must live under a rock, not to know that..
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    Our favorite Edmonton Eskimos President of all-time (and failed UCP candidate), Len Rhodes, got appointed to chair the AGLC.

    Len Rhodes, the former president of the Edmonton Eskimos who ran for the UCP in the last election, is the new chair of the agency overseeing alcohol, gambling and cannabis.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...-ucp-1.5249882

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    NDP Advanced Education Critic David Eggen warned the sweep was like a return to the days when former Progressive Conservative governments appointed their allies to agencies, boards and commissions. "This is a shameful return to the bad old days of cronyism and political favours given out in exchange for services and/or money," Eggen said.
    While the NDP named their allies to similar positions, Eggen claimed the system introduced by his government required prospective appointees to apply and undergo interviews.
    Eggen said the also NDP waited until terms ran out before naming people to positions.
    That's why. They're cutting short the terms of people who went through at least some sort of vetting process so they can stick their corporate buddies into the highest positions possible in public institutions as they see fit.

    New conservatives, same as the old conservatives.
    Lol, and the NDP didn't fill those positions with their union buddies and other allies when they came to power? So what if it happened sooner rather than later. And I can imagine the "interview process" done by the NDP was rather slanted towards any candidates they wanted in. Don't kid yourself, the people that were apppointed when the NDP "interviewed" them were dripping with orange colours. Eggan can claim whatever he wants. Sour grapes on your part, big surprise.
    Just to clarify the meaning of a term once again...

    "Sour grapes" does not simply mean that someone is bitter about a failure or a loss. It means that he is denigrating the value of what he was originally trying to achieve or acquire, in order to make himself feel better about not getting it.

    So, in this instance, "sour grapes" would be if some New Democrat supporter were to say "Who cares if the NDP appointees don't get to keep their jobs? Those jobs are all useless anyway, they're better off doing something else."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    NDP Advanced Education Critic David Eggen warned the sweep was like a return to the days when former Progressive Conservative governments appointed their allies to agencies, boards and commissions. "This is a shameful return to the bad old days of cronyism and political favours given out in exchange for services and/or money," Eggen said.
    While the NDP named their allies to similar positions, Eggen claimed the system introduced by his government required prospective appointees to apply and undergo interviews.
    Eggen said the also NDP waited until terms ran out before naming people to positions.
    That's why. They're cutting short the terms of people who went through at least some sort of vetting process so they can stick their corporate buddies into the highest positions possible in public institutions as they see fit.

    New conservatives, same as the old conservatives.
    Lol, and the NDP didn't fill those positions with their union buddies and other allies when they came to power? So what if it happened sooner rather than later. And I can imagine the "interview process" done by the NDP was rather slanted towards any candidates they wanted in. Don't kid yourself, the people that were apppointed when the NDP "interviewed" them were dripping with orange colours. Eggan can claim whatever he wants. Sour grapes on your part, big surprise.
    You can have that opinion, but it was at least more transparent, and required actual justification and qualifications. They also waited until peoples terms were over, unlike the UCP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    NDP Advanced Education Critic David Eggen warned the sweep was like a return to the days when former Progressive Conservative governments appointed their allies to agencies, boards and commissions. "This is a shameful return to the bad old days of cronyism and political favours given out in exchange for services and/or money," Eggen said.
    While the NDP named their allies to similar positions, Eggen claimed the system introduced by his government required prospective appointees to apply and undergo interviews.
    Eggen said the also NDP waited until terms ran out before naming people to positions.
    That's why. They're cutting short the terms of people who went through at least some sort of vetting process so they can stick their corporate buddies into the highest positions possible in public institutions as they see fit.

    New conservatives, same as the old conservatives.
    Lol, and the NDP didn't fill those positions with their union buddies and other allies when they came to power? So what if it happened sooner rather than later. And I can imagine the "interview process" done by the NDP was rather slanted towards any candidates they wanted in. Don't kid yourself, the people that were apppointed when the NDP "interviewed" them were dripping with orange colours. Eggan can claim whatever he wants. Sour grapes on your part, big surprise.
    You can have that opinion, but it was at least more transparent, and required actual justification and qualifications. They also waited until peoples terms were over, unlike the UCP.
    The pigs can't wait to get their snouts into the trough again. I am sure they were shocked after 2015 that being a good Conservative donor did not count for everything anymore, after 40 years of thinking they were entitled to their entitlements. Well good news for now for them, I suppose.

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    Everyone who is surprised by this, raise your hands. Now repeat after me "Trickle down doesn't work"

    Varcoe: Energy minister disappointed corporate tax cut has not yet boosted oilpatch jobs

    Alberta’s energy minister is “disappointed” petroleum producers haven’t boosted spending in the wake of the province lowering corporate taxes, but Sonya Savage is preaching patience — saying it will take time for the payoff to be felt.


    The UCP government reduced the corporate income tax rate by one percentage point to 11 per cent effective July 1, part of a plan to lower it to eight per cent by 2022 to ignite job creation.


    In second-quarter financial reports, several large oil and gas producers noted the impact on their bottom line. Only a few firms have increased spending plans that would create more employment.


    “Some of them are using it to buy back shares and to reposition (and) balance their books. It’s the same as when you come across a windfall as a private citizen, you pay down the mortgage,” Savage said in an interview.


    “We would like to see that money being invested into jobs. We’d like to see it being invested into projects; we’d like it to stay here in Alberta to create jobs.


    “So yeah, we are a little disappointed in seeing what decisions have been made on where that investment, where that money, goes. But that’s decisions of corporate boards.”

    https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/...f-fdd8003c9cb7

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Everyone who is surprised by this, raise your hands. Now repeat after me "Trickle down doesn't work"

    Varcoe: Energy minister disappointed corporate tax cut has not yet boosted oilpatch jobs

    Alberta’s energy minister is “disappointed” petroleum producers haven’t boosted spending in the wake of the province lowering corporate taxes, but Sonya Savage is preaching patience — saying it will take time for the payoff to be felt.


    The UCP government reduced the corporate income tax rate by one percentage point to 11 per cent effective July 1, part of a plan to lower it to eight per cent by 2022 to ignite job creation.


    In second-quarter financial reports, several large oil and gas producers noted the impact on their bottom line. Only a few firms have increased spending plans that would create more employment.


    “Some of them are using it to buy back shares and to reposition (and) balance their books. It’s the same as when you come across a windfall as a private citizen, you pay down the mortgage,” Savage said in an interview.


    “We would like to see that money being invested into jobs. We’d like to see it being invested into projects; we’d like it to stay here in Alberta to create jobs.


    “So yeah, we are a little disappointed in seeing what decisions have been made on where that investment, where that money, goes. But that’s decisions of corporate boards.”

    https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/...f-fdd8003c9cb7
    I saw somewhere that 14,000 jobs were lost in Alberta since Kenney came to power. He spent years complaining about the economy under the previous government and implying it would magically turn around the moment he was elected. Now he is going to have to wear it and I think it will eventually start to get quite uncomfortable for Kenney and crew.

    That is one reason why I expect in a couple of years when Albertans are getting more restless with the languishing economy (for those who remember the Getty years, it was interesting to watch a initially quite popular government gradually go to the basement in the polls), Kenney will high tail it back to Ottawa, as soon as the Federal Conservative leadership opens up.

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    It's almost as if the O&G sector react more the the price of oil than tax cuts. Who knew? Of course, for all we know, Notley and the NDP are continuing to manipulate the world price for oil.

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    Why would the Kenny government expect to see a different reaction by businesses to tax windfalls than what happened when other businesses in different jurisdictions got tax breaks?

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    Because 'Conservatives"


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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    Why would the Kenny government expect to see a different reaction by businesses to tax windfalls than what happened when other businesses in different jurisdictions got tax breaks?
    The definition of insanity ... ?

    However, I suspect Kenney doesn't really care, he has rewarded his friends and hopes they will help him out when he goes back to Ottawa again.

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    https://www.theprogressreport.ca/the...s_club_is_back

    More than 40 per cent of the 61 people appointed to an agency, board or commission on Friday have donated to a conservative political party, leadership race or third party advertiser--and that’s not counting folks who’ve donated to conservative PACs through their business (we haven’t pulled all the corporate records yet.)
    When Jason Kenney says he’s obsessed with job creation, it seems like he’s focused on jobs for a few specific people.
    And before the "both sides" bootlickers come around

    The Alberta NDP and Rachel Notley on the other hand took this file extremely seriously. They let terms expire for Tory hacks (Kenney just unceremoniously dumped them) before filling appointments. They cut perks and harmonized pay at these bodies for their senior staff – no more country club memberships. They encouraged diverse and working class folk to apply and they had a professional interview process.
    Their approach contrasts in a big way with the Notley government’s fundamental respect for the institutions of power. Kenney doesn’t care about that. He’s got an unpopular austerity agenda he wants to force through as fast as possible so people forget about it by 2023 and he needs friendly, compliant allies, especially at the universities that are going to immediately eat it in the upcoming budget. To accomplish this political goal he quickly fired the NDP appointees and immediately installed his own cronies.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Yup, all legal and above board. That's why they used an envelope full of cash.

    Kamikaze UCP candidate went from nearly broke to flush after getting envelopes with $60,000, documents allege
    New details revealed of alleged scheme to circumvent election laws for Jeff Callaway's leadership campaign

    Alberta's election commissioner alleges that the scheme unfolded as follows.

    On Sept. 11, Davies met Lore in the lobby of Bankers Hall in downtown Calgary, outside the Royal Bank.

    Lore then had his bank wire $60,000 to Davies' Royal Bank account, and then the two men entered the branch to withdraw the funds.

    "Lore told the teller that Davies wanted to make some large withdrawals and they might need to speak to a manager," read the findings.

    Lore handled that end of the transaction, according to the commissioner, and the bank manager complied with his requests.

    Davies then withdrew bank drafts and cash in order to provide funds to those who had agreed to make straw donations.

    The duo called Callaway, who arrived at the bank a short time later to collect an envelope of cash from Davies.

    "This handoff happened inside the bank at your direction," read the findings against Callaway. "Davies was instructed to hand over the cash to you, and you would then give it to the straw contributors."

    While the trio was still at the bank, Christopher Maitland showed up, received a bank draft for $3,000, walked into the CIBC branch within Bankers Hall and deposited the draft.

    He then withdrew that amount in cash and walked back and gave the cash to either Davies or Callaway, according to the commissioner's findings.

    ---

    Kenney and Callaway's campaigns worked closely together, with direction coming from Kenney's team on everything from talking points to when Callaway would drop out of the race to support Kenney.

    Both men deny the allegations, but CBC News has obtained emails and documents that outline the collaboration, including a resignation speech emailed to Callaway's team from Kenney's then-deputy chief of staff, Matt Wolf.

    Wolf was recently rehired and joined the staff of the premier's office as director of issues management.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...kaze-1.5255041



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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Yup, all legal and above board. That's why they used an envelope full of cash.

    Kamikaze UCP candidate went from nearly broke to flush after getting envelopes with $60,000, documents allege
    New details revealed of alleged scheme to circumvent election laws for Jeff Callaway's leadership campaign

    Alberta's election commissioner alleges that the scheme unfolded as follows.

    On Sept. 11, Davies met Lore in the lobby of Bankers Hall in downtown Calgary, outside the Royal Bank.

    Lore then had his bank wire $60,000 to Davies' Royal Bank account, and then the two men entered the branch to withdraw the funds.

    "Lore told the teller that Davies wanted to make some large withdrawals and they might need to speak to a manager," read the findings.

    Lore handled that end of the transaction, according to the commissioner, and the bank manager complied with his requests.

    Davies then withdrew bank drafts and cash in order to provide funds to those who had agreed to make straw donations.

    The duo called Callaway, who arrived at the bank a short time later to collect an envelope of cash from Davies.

    "This handoff happened inside the bank at your direction," read the findings against Callaway. "Davies was instructed to hand over the cash to you, and you would then give it to the straw contributors."

    While the trio was still at the bank, Christopher Maitland showed up, received a bank draft for $3,000, walked into the CIBC branch within Bankers Hall and deposited the draft.

    He then withdrew that amount in cash and walked back and gave the cash to either Davies or Callaway, according to the commissioner's findings.

    ---

    Kenney and Callaway's campaigns worked closely together, with direction coming from Kenney's team on everything from talking points to when Callaway would drop out of the race to support Kenney.

    Both men deny the allegations, but CBC News has obtained emails and documents that outline the collaboration, including a resignation speech emailed to Callaway's team from Kenney's then-deputy chief of staff, Matt Wolf.

    Wolf was recently rehired and joined the staff of the premier's office as director of issues management.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...kaze-1.5255041

    And that folks is how you would stage a coup in Alberta if you were so inclined (as in morally bankrupt).



    Oh, but in this case it’s all a mistake and overreach.


    Court documents detail how $60,000 flowed to UCP ‘kamikaze’ candidate

    “On Aug. 2, Callaway filed an application for a judicial review of the penalties, claiming that election commissioner Lorne Gibson “incorrectly” or “unreasonably” exercised his powers. Callaway says the commissioner “demonstrated an abuse of authority” by interfering with the internal matters of a political party prior to an election period.”

    https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...dates-campaign
    Last edited by KC; 22-08-2019 at 11:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Yup, all legal and above board. That's why they used an envelope full of cash.

    Kamikaze UCP candidate went from nearly broke to flush after getting envelopes with $60,000, documents allege
    New details revealed of alleged scheme to circumvent election laws for Jeff Callaway's leadership campaign

    Alberta's election commissioner alleges that the scheme unfolded as follows.

    On Sept. 11, Davies met Lore in the lobby of Bankers Hall in downtown Calgary, outside the Royal Bank.

    Lore then had his bank wire $60,000 to Davies' Royal Bank account, and then the two men entered the branch to withdraw the funds.

    "Lore told the teller that Davies wanted to make some large withdrawals and they might need to speak to a manager," read the findings.

    Lore handled that end of the transaction, according to the commissioner, and the bank manager complied with his requests.

    Davies then withdrew bank drafts and cash in order to provide funds to those who had agreed to make straw donations.

    The duo called Callaway, who arrived at the bank a short time later to collect an envelope of cash from Davies.

    "This handoff happened inside the bank at your direction," read the findings against Callaway. "Davies was instructed to hand over the cash to you, and you would then give it to the straw contributors."

    While the trio was still at the bank, Christopher Maitland showed up, received a bank draft for $3,000, walked into the CIBC branch within Bankers Hall and deposited the draft.

    He then withdrew that amount in cash and walked back and gave the cash to either Davies or Callaway, according to the commissioner's findings.

    ---

    Kenney and Callaway's campaigns worked closely together, with direction coming from Kenney's team on everything from talking points to when Callaway would drop out of the race to support Kenney.

    Both men deny the allegations, but CBC News has obtained emails and documents that outline the collaboration, including a resignation speech emailed to Callaway's team from Kenney's then-deputy chief of staff, Matt Wolf.

    Wolf was recently rehired and joined the staff of the premier's office as director of issues management.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...kaze-1.5255041

    And that folks is how you would stage a coup in Alberta if you were so inclined (as in morally bankrupt).



    Oh, but in this case it’s all a mistake and overreach.


    Court documents detail how $60,000 flowed to UCP ‘kamikaze’ candidate

    “On Aug. 2, Callaway filed an application for a judicial review of the penalties, claiming that election commissioner Lorne Gibson “incorrectly” or “unreasonably” exercised his powers. Callaway says the commissioner “demonstrated an abuse of authority” by interfering with the internal matters of a political party prior to an election period.”

    https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...dates-campaign
    Reminds me of the good old PC days and the purported shopping bag full of cash in the 1990's exchanged in the parking lot of the Continental Inn in West Edmonton. Perhaps not much has changed, except now the location has become a bit more upscale and no secret Israeli bank account this time, at least not that has been discovered so far.

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