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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I always speak up for what I believe is right as well.
    The fact you think your divisive, bigoted, cognitively-dissonant beliefs are right & should be expressed publicly to the detriment of others is part of the reason I keep replying to someone beneath contempt.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    It's almost as if people who disagree with each other value different things and have different opinions or something! Huh - Maybe there aren't "Nazis" behind every bush, like you seem to believe?
    I disagree with lots of people & the vast majority of those disagreements are not rooted in bigotry. That's the difference between my disagreements between them & those with you. You think it's completely normal to be a bigot & express bigoted things, hence me calling you a bigot. You keep making these sweeping generalizations that don't really apply to you, since there's thousands of pieces of evidence about just how bigoted you are.
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    Bigot = someone who wins an argument against a liberal

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    https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/long...e-jason-kenney

    The night before Kenney's campaign began working in the southeast Edmonton home, the UCP made a decision. Because there were so many issues with voters receiving their PINs, it resent all of the PINs that had not yet been used to vote to the phones and emails attached to that membership.Shortly after that, according to Jean's financial agent Robert Such, information from the party on who had already voted stopped flowing. The campaign had no way of knowing who and how many people had voted. When information started rolling in again hours later, the number of ballots cast had skyrocketed
    It was all too familiar to Such.
    During the vote that brought together the Wildrose and the Progressive Conservatives a few months earlier, Such witnessed a member of the unity team for the Wildrose Party walk into the party's offices and leave with the electoral officer's binder full of physical copies of the PINs needed to cast a vote on the proposed merger.
    Shortly after, the dashboard provided by the company running that vote went dark. Again, blindness. And again, once oversight returned, the number of ballots cast had ballooned.
    "Well, the dashboard got cut off but when we got back all of a sudden, yup, 90 per cent voted," said Such. "That's like, oh, you get the sinking feeling in your stomach."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Bigot = someone who wins an argument against a liberal
    Nope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    A lot of wanna-be heroes trying to look down their noses at everybody else in this thread.

    No wonder this forum (and so many other decent internet discussion forms) is dying.

    Mobs of anger-spewing social justice lefties just burn down and ruin everything in sight. But they are very clever in their branding - they call it "progress".
    Except this is an anonymous thread so at most a hero in their own mind. No one else cares.

    Plus hardly anyone reads this stuff and there’s gazillions of opinions spewed out into the world every day. Within seconds whatever is said here just disappears below the quicksand of the internet’s surface as it’s gravitational forces pull in an endless stream of new current events and opinions.

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    https://www.nationalobserver.com/201...spiracy-theory

    At its core, this theory, which Jason Kenney has adopted as the Alberta government's, is that the province has been targeted by a cabal of American foundations led by the Rockefellers in a deliberate campaign of economic sabotage.By directing money and influence to an anti-pipeline movement called the Tar Sands Campaign, these foundations seek to advance American energy interests by landlocking Canadian oil.

    As I wrote earlier in September, the sham outrage over foreign money is just a cynical ruse. Unscrupulous governments are employing it around the world to discredit, silence and intimidate environmental dissent, and ultimately to choke off resources to activist groups.
    Nobody cares about foreign money, least of all Jason Kenney.
    No sooner did the premier release the terms of his foreign funding inquiry than he set off for New York, cap in hand, to raise more foreign money for the oil industry.
    Really great article pulling apart Kenney's attempted rationale for burning $30M of taxpayer money on a Ministry of Propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Bigot = someone who wins an argument against a liberal
    Let us know when you have won your first argument. Until then, I will read 'War and Peace', write the greatest Canadian novel, discover a cure for cancer and create a therapy for your cognitive dissonance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    I shine a light on a cockroach so everyone can see the cockroach & the filth around him. That's it, that's all.
    Hey, that's exactly what I am doing to you!

    And I always speak up for what I believe is right as well.


    It's almost as if people who disagree with each other value different things and have different opinions or something! Huh - Maybe there aren't "Nazis" behind every bush, like you seem to believe?
    Oh I didn't know dismissing an entire people group as a mere inconvenience was simply a matter of different opinions and not being extremely bigoted.

    "we let them stay"-Drumbones, 2019. <
    The post you are defending. How noble of us to lie, steal and cheat our way into owning this country, and then let them stay on their own land. We are so incredibly noble for allowing those people
    to stay when we could have killed them all.

    You can pretend thats not the intent of that sentence, but that would be you being intentionally obtuse again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    unless there is a sign up, It's not illegal to be on private property.
    So the party’s in Matt’s yard this weekend? I believe you are wrong about that for sure. Only natives who are tracking an animal that enters private property and they follow them can not be charged with trespassing
    Your both wrong. This made me LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Oh I didn't know dismissing an entire people group as a mere inconvenience was simply a matter of different opinions and not being extremely bigoted.
    MrOilers & his ilk consider the people who call out racism to be worse than those who cultivate it, just like his Orange Crush in the WH. The reaaaaal crime is whistleblowing!
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    The troublesome investigations that just will not go away:

    Irregular votes, panicked moves, kiosks

    Insiders detail the last days of Jason Kenney’s campaign to be leader of Alberta's United Conservative Party

    https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/long...e-jason-kenney

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    The troublesome investigations that just will not go away:

    Irregular votes, panicked moves, kiosks

    Insiders detail the last days of Jason Kenney’s campaign to be leader of Alberta's United Conservative Party

    https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/long...e-jason-kenney
    Yeah I was surprised that Brian Jean lost.
    While Kenney's team worked in that Edmonton home, the online dashboard used by Jean's campaign to track the number of votes coming in had gone dark. The UCP was no longer feeding the campaign updated stats on how many members had voted and which PIN had been used.

    By the time Jean's dashboard fired back up, the number of ballots cast had skyrocketed. Ultimately, Jean lost the race by


    ...

    "The chances of voter fraud are so small, the chances that someone would get somebody else's PIN is nearly impossible," she told CBC News during the leadership vote.

    "The only people who could possibly do this would be the campaigns themselves and we know these leadership candidates. I do not doubt their integrity at all."
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    ‘Deeply disturbing’: Sohi responds to allegations of wrongdoing by opponent Uppal – Edmonton Journal
    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/pol...opponent-uppal


    Edmonton candidate's plan to live in Ottawa prompts debate about MP residency
    Conservative Tim Uppal says he doesn't plan to move back to Alberta capital if elected
    Kim Trynacity - CBC, September 26, 2019
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ency-1.5295988


    Kenney and UCP deny fresh allegations about irregular votes, kiosks in 2017 leadership race
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ight-1.5309667
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    The voters will decide, Sohi back in, or Uppal.
    I suspect a close race. Sohi shouldn't be worried, if he's done a good job.He follows JT around like a lost puppy, so we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    The voters will decide, Sohi back in, or Uppal.
    I suspect a close race. Sohi shouldn't be worried, if he's done a good job.He follows JT around like a lost puppy, so we'll see.
    Actually isn’t it a case where the courts may decide? If Uppal actually was involved in some sort of Provincial UCP candidate vote rigging then it would seem that he is the “lost puppy”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    The voters will decide, Sohi back in, or Uppal.
    I suspect a close race. Sohi shouldn't be worried, if he's done a good job.He follows JT around like a lost puppy, so we'll see.
    Actually isn’t it a case where the courts may decide? If Uppal actually was involved in some sort of Provincial UCP candidate vote rigging then it would seem that he is the “lost puppy”.

    We'll see..
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    https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/201...warroomalberta

    EDMONTON—The Alberta government’s new war room, recently named the Canadian Energy Centre (CEC), will be a private entity owned by the province and not subject to freedom of information laws after all, a spokesperson clarified Thursday.
    So basically it's $30,000,000+ of taxpayer money being spent to 'defend' highly profitable private corporations with zero accountability or oversight.

    I'm sure this will all be super legit & above board. I mean, it's not like the UCP have been plagued with scandals & impropriety since before they were actually a thing.
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    super legit and very cool
    A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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    https://globalnews.ca/news/6007935/u...s-energy-bill/

    UCP introduces bill, $1 billion would support First Nations economic investments

    Well done Jason !!!
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    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/gay-stra...oard-1.4634863

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/201...warroomalberta

    EDMONTON—The Alberta government’s new war room, recently named the Canadian Energy Centre (CEC), will be a private entity owned by the province and not subject to freedom of information laws after all, a spokesperson clarified Thursday.
    So basically it's $30,000,000+ of taxpayer money being spent to 'defend' highly profitable private corporations with zero accountability or oversight.

    I'm sure this will all be super legit & above board. I mean, it's not like the UCP have been plagued with scandals & impropriety since before they were actually a thing.
    How is that legal? Is that not a crown corporation? If it's publicly funded and owned by the province then it's not a private corporation.

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    http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/albe...ion-dodge-foip

    Previously commonly referred to by both friends and foes as the energy war room, the new corporation is supposedly intended to target "a deceitful campaign to landlock the oilsands," as Energy Minister Sonya Savage described opposition to Alberta's pipeline demands in her press release Wednesday announcing appointment of former journalist and payday loan lobbyist Tom Olsen as the entity's managing director.
    Instead, as CBC investigative reporter Charles Rusnell revealed in a series of tweets yesterday, the war room will be a private corporation known as Canadian Energy Centre Ltd., legally headquartered in the 8th Avenue offices of Calgary law firm Burnet, Duckworth & Palmer LLP.

    The directors of the corporation listed on its incorporation papers, a copy of which was attached to one of Rusnell's tweets, are a trio of characters named Jason Nixon, Doug Schweitzer and Sonya Savage. Savage, of course, has already been introduced in this post. Nixon is the minister of environment and parks, and the government house leader in the legislature. Schweitzer is justice minister and attorney general of Alberta.
    It's so skeevy straight outta the gate. They're not even trying to hide it.
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    I wonder if we'll ever find out just how closely involved the Journal/National Post is working with them?

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    Kenney owes them a return for all the water Postmedia carried for him before, during & after the election. They didn't 'invest' in the UCP out of some sort of largesse.
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    I wonder if the government will provide legal fees and pay judgements if the private company were to get sued for example. The Directors could be held liable, but it's a private corporation so the govt shouldn't be liable, but the directors who are govt members would be. How does that work?

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    Let's find out, shall we?

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    LOL..he mentioned this while campaigning , I mean get yourselves together ..
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    I am reminded of this rather prescient statement from Kevin Taft's 2017 book Oil's Deep State.

    Global warming will force Alberta and all of Canada to change. There is a risk that, rather than abandoning fossil fuels and strengthening democracy, we will hang on to fossil fuels and begin to abandon democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/201...warroomalberta

    EDMONTON—The Alberta government’s new war room, recently named the Canadian Energy Centre (CEC), will be a private entity owned by the province and not subject to freedom of information laws after all, a spokesperson clarified Thursday.
    So basically it's $30,000,000+ of taxpayer money being spent to 'defend' highly profitable private corporations with zero accountability or oversight.

    I'm sure this will all be super legit & above board. I mean, it's not like the UCP have been plagued with scandals & impropriety since before they were actually a thing.
    How is that legal? Is that not a crown corporation? If it's publicly funded and owned by the province then it's not a private corporation.
    I understand it was set up as a private corporation to avoid FOIP and the guy in charge is a defeated UCP candidate who will get almost $200,000 a year - nice patronage consolation prize for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    LOL..he mentioned this while campaigning , I mean get yourselves together ..
    Can you show me where he said that it would function without oversight or transparency?

    Didn't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Can you show me where he said that it would function without oversight or transparency?

    Didn't think so.
    That's implied by his party affiliation, no need to state it explicitly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    I am reminded of this rather prescient statement from Kevin Taft's 2017 book Oil's Deep State.

    Global warming will force Alberta and all of Canada to change. There is a risk that, rather than abandoning fossil fuels and strengthening democracy, we will hang on to fossil fuels and begin to abandon democracy.
    The current Government of Alberta has so far managed to distract from all their various questionable shenanigans by focusing on conflict with other governments and other parts of Canada. I think it will eventually become clear that all this supposed fighting for us is accomplishing nothing, at which point people's attention will shift back to the UCP and its dirty laundry bag full of tricks. I suspect at that point democracy here will reassert itself with a vengeance. I also suspect Kenney somewhat anticipates this and probably plans to be off to greener pastures before that happens.

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    Hmm, unemployment dropped to 6.6, still not good, but it dropped..
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    In Alberta the rate dropped because people left the workforce, not because of any significant uptick in job growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    In Alberta the rate dropped because people left the workforce, not because of any significant uptick in job growth.
    Yes, that happened a lot for the past 4 years, thanks NDP, thanks Jt.
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    Yeah, Damn Notley and Trudeau for making the bottom drop out of the price of oil!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    In Alberta the rate dropped because people left the workforce, not because of any significant uptick in job growth.
    And also, a lot of people moved out of the province and many returned to their hometowns. I wonder how many workers moved back to Newfoundland as an example?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Yeah, Damn Notley and Trudeau for making the bottom drop out of the price of oil!
    The problem is that the bottom periodically DOES drop out the bottom. Our leadership at all levels does almost nothing about that before or after. At most they go to the bank for what they hope is some interim financing.

    They try to save a few hundred jobs at SNC Lavalin (when domestic competitors could make up the difference), etc but not 100,000 - 125,000 jobs in Alberta that will disappear forever due to foreign competitors and sector wide bankruptcies and downsizing where even the competitors are downsizing.*

    They don’t seek pre-emptive or emergency relief changes to the equalization formula to save the sick cash cow they just hope it will get better and let the formula keep milking the cow even though that could kill their cash cow. ...

    They just increase the deficit and so the DEBT (the word that shall never be mentioned) and assume it will all just work out. Inflation and future politicians will deal with it as they always have...



    The great minds running the show always seem incapable of understanding that their top-down single-solution methods won’t work for all situations.
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    Drayton valley have closed stores up, those people lived there all their lives.

    JT helps illegals crossing( 26000 still waiting to be processed) but we wont give a hand to the people in Drayton or Fort Mac
    If this were Quebec, he'd be falling all over the place to save jobs, oh wait..SNC !!!!?!
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    If you need a job, maybe moving to where workers are needed is a solution.

    Montreal's Construction Industry Has To Fill 20,000 Jobs & Here's How Much They Pay
    The city needs 20,000 workers a year for the next 10 years to meet demand

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Yeah, Damn Notley and Trudeau for making the bottom drop out of the price of oil!
    The problem is that the bottom periodically DOES drop out the bottom. Our leadership at all levels does almost nothing about that before or after. At most they go to the bank for what they hope is some interim financing.

    They try to save a few hundred jobs at SNC Lavalin (when domestic competitors could make up the difference), etc but not 100,000 - 125,000 jobs in Alberta that will disappear forever due to foreign competitors and sector wide bankruptcies and downsizing where even the competitors are downsizing.*

    They don’t seek pre-emptive or emergency relief changes to the equalization formula to save the sick cash cow they just hope it will get better and let the formula keep milking the cow even though that could kill their cash cow. ...

    They just increase the deficit and so the DEBT (the word that shall never be mentioned) and assume it will all just work out. Inflation and future politicians will deal with it as they always have...



    The great minds running the show always seem incapable of understanding that their top-down single-solution methods won’t work for all situations.
    Yeah, buying the pipeline and working to get it built was a real slap in the face to Alberta. The hold ups ae due to court challenges and I don't think, I may be wrong, that you believe the government should interfere with the courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    If you need a job, maybe moving to where workers are needed is a solution.

    Montreal's Construction Industry Has To Fill 20,000 Jobs & Here's How Much They Pay
    The city needs 20,000 workers a year for the next 10 years to meet demand

    MTL Blog:
    https://www.mtlblog.com/news/canada/...-much-they-pay
    There's lots of places across the country that are looking for workers. Just like, in the boom times, Alberta looks for workers from other provinces.

    And Alberta could start creating more job here by building upgraders and stopping shipping bitumen, the lowest quality product from the oil sands. Doing so would allow more refineries to use our exports, due to the fact that they don't need to build their own upgraders and it would also increase pipeline capacity due to the fact that we wouldn't need to have dilutent flowing into the province instead of crude flowing out.
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    Peter Lougheed's policies were to upgrade in the province before shipping.

    At that time we got $18 a barrel for crude but $200 a barrel for upgraded products. This value added product creates jobs and increase our GDP

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    Yes, but according to todays Conservatives, Lougheed was a stinking lefty who opposed Keystone XL.

    Peter Lougheed opposes Keystone pipeline

    "I would prefer...we process the bitumen from the oilsands in Alberta and that would create a lot of jobs and job activity," he said.


    "That would be a better thing to do than merely send the raw bitumen down the pipeline and they refine it in Texas that means thousands of new jobs in Texas."

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...line-1.1078801

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    I couldn't even imagine the amount of ridicule Rachel Notley would have received from the UCP if she touted the opening of a McDonald's restaurant as an indicator of her government's success at job creation. We would never hear the end of it.
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    Yea, it looks like calories is the last thing Kenney needs.
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    ^^^^

    another case of the headline not being a terribly accurate summary of the content of the article. lougheed wasn't opposed to the pipeline per se but to the policy of shipping raw bitumen and diluent out and diluent back instead of shipping refined product in it.

    interestingly enough today, if we had enough refining capacity we would probably have enough pipeline capacity as well as refined product takes up considerably less volume than its raw equivalents. plus refined is worth considerably more to the seller and to those that tax it.
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    Of course Greta is coming here, of course she is. Is her TV family going to Saudi?
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    She's a very brave young person. Let's hope she gets to Edmonton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    ^^^^

    another case of the headline not being a terribly accurate summary of the content of the article. lougheed wasn't opposed to the pipeline per se but to the policy of shipping raw bitumen and diluent out and diluent back instead of shipping refined product in it.

    interestingly enough today, if we had enough refining capacity we would probably have enough pipeline capacity as well as refined product takes up considerably less volume than its raw equivalents. plus refined is worth considerably more to the seller and to those that tax it.
    Seeing as Keystone XL is SPECIFICALLY for shipping bitumen to the Gulf Coast, the headline is accurate. That's where the refineries that can process it are as a result of similar imports from Venezuela.

    It would be more accurate for you to say that Lougheed wasn't opposed to pipelines but was opposed to this specific one.

    And his points are still valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Of course Greta is coming here, of course she is. Is her TV family going to Saudi?
    I hope she comes here too. Then we can have a national idle your vehicle day. Really, it's a matter of finding out who is funding her, and who is pulling the strings behind her.

    I'm sure there must be photo's out there of her been driven through a drive thru in a huge SUV eating a hamburger. Where does she think the electricity comes from that powers the data centres that her social media platforms run on ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
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    ^^^^

    another case of the headline not being a terribly accurate summary of the content of the article. lougheed wasn't opposed to the pipeline per se but to the policy of shipping raw bitumen and diluent out and diluent back instead of shipping refined product in it.

    interestingly enough today, if we had enough refining capacity we would probably have enough pipeline capacity as well as refined product takes up considerably less volume than its raw equivalents. plus refined is worth considerably more to the seller and to those that tax it.
    Seeing as Keystone XL is SPECIFICALLY for shipping bitumen to the Gulf Coast, the headline is accurate. That's where the refineries that can process it are as a result of similar imports from Venezuela.

    It would be more accurate for you to say that Lougheed wasn't opposed to pipelines but was opposed to this specific one.

    And his points are still valid.
    i will defer to the pipeline experts but i'm pretty sure that keystone xl might be booked to ship bitumen to the gulf coast, bit is not restricted by design to shipping bitumen as opposed to more refined product.

    virtually all pipelines ship a variety of content and the existing keystone network already handles domestic light in addition to domestic heavy crude. what does get shipped is a supply/pricing determination, not a pipeline determination.

    as for gulf coast refinery design and capacity, the gulf coast is access to tidewater in addition to access to particular refineries.

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    Pipelines that ship bitumen require additional design due to it being more corrosive than crude. So, yes it CAN be used for other products but as designed and built, it's specifically for bitumen.

    Which simply lets us ship out our lowest quality product for the lowest possible price, ensuring that the refineries downstream make more money off of it than we do.

    Drill baby, drill!

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    And if the scalding hot bitumen loaded with solvent leaks out, pity anything affected.
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    Of course Greta is coming here, of course she is. Is her TV family going to Saudi?
    I hope she comes here too. Then we can have a national idle your vehicle day. Really, it's a matter of finding out who is funding her, and who is pulling the strings behind her.

    I'm sure there must be photo's out there of her been driven through a drive thru in a huge SUV eating a hamburger. Where does she think the electricity comes from that powers the data centres that her social media platforms run on ?
    She has ties to Al Gore..who right now, Id love to ask, so about the whole of NY being under water last year??? oh right, it wasn't..sheesh
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    Oh the HORROR! Having ties with Al Gore!

    What next, being seen with Dr. David Suzuki???
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    Greta = bad!

    Chinese oil companies = good!

    It's the Alberta way

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    You guys sound like s bunch of Alberta haters in here. Why don’t you move back to Nova Scotia or Montreal or wherever. Jerks. C2E has gone to the dogs. 🐶

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Pipelines that ship bitumen require additional design due to it being more corrosive than crude. So, yes it CAN be used for other products but as designed and built, it's specifically for bitumen.

    Which simply lets us ship out our lowest quality product for the lowest possible price, ensuring that the refineries downstream make more money off of it than we do.

    Drill baby, drill!
    "yes, it CAN be used for other products" with no additional changes to how it was designed or built.

    so while it is capable of letting us ship out our lowest quality product - and it was designed for that - that's still not the real reason why we are shipping it and not other products.
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    If it were not, we wouldn't be shipping the lowest level product and would have to either ship an upgraded product or build a pipeline that could.

    It is as it is BECAUSE it's designed to carry bitumen. That's what's it's for. And the pipelines that we use to bring in dilutent could be used for shipping upgraded crude out, allowing us to ship MORE produce within existing pipelines. The more bitumen we ship, the more dilutent we need, the less outbound capacity for other products. So, even MORE pipelies needed.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Pipelines that ship bitumen require additional design due to it being more corrosive than crude. So, yes it CAN be used for other products but as designed and built, it's specifically for bitumen.
    The above statements are false. So is Edmonton PRT's claim that diluted bitumen is shipped piping hot.

    Is bitumen more corrosive than other crude oils?
    Transporting diluted bitumen is as safe as transporting other types of crude oil and it does not pose a greater risk of corrosion than pipelines carrying other types of petroleum products. The only significant difference between diluted bitumen and conventional crude is that diluted bitumen carries diluent. Neither the properties of diluent or bitumen carry any characteristics that would cause more corrosion.

    https://www.transmountain.com/dilute...en-information
    The existing pipeline carries both refined products as well as crude oil (including diluted bitumen) in batches. While the expansion pipeline is expected to carry mostly diluted bitumen to serve Asian markets, this will likely change over time as market conditions change.
    Trans Mountain is the only pipeline in North America that carries both refined product and crude oil in batches. On any given day, the pipeline is used to move different grades or varieties of petroleum. Products moving next to each other in the pipeline can mix. This mixing – or product interface – is minimized by putting the products in a specific sequence....

    Other than refined products, each of these general product types can be blended or pumped individually as requested by shippers – Trans Mountain’s customers who own the products transported in the pipeline. Any product moved in the pipeline must meet tariff requirements, which include the requirement for products to adhere to technical specifications in order for them to be accepted for transportation in the Trans Mountain Pipeline system.
    These rules specify that the product has:

    • A maximum temperature of 38⁰ C

    https://www.transmountain.com/product

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    You guys sound like s bunch of Alberta haters in here. Why don’t you move back to Nova Scotia or Montreal or wherever. Jerks. C2E has gone to the dogs. 
    I know. It's like they hate Alberta, sad .
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    Apparently you have to just LOVE oil in order to live in Alberta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Pipelines that ship bitumen require additional design due to it being more corrosive than crude. So, yes it CAN be used for other products but as designed and built, it's specifically for bitumen.
    The above statements are false. So is Edmonton PRT's claim that diluted bitumen is shipped piping hot.

    Is bitumen more corrosive than other crude oils?
    Transporting diluted bitumen is as safe as transporting other types of crude oil and it does not pose a greater risk of corrosion than pipelines carrying other types of petroleum products. The only significant difference between diluted bitumen and conventional crude is that diluted bitumen carries diluent. Neither the properties of diluent or bitumen carry any characteristics that would cause more corrosion.

    https://www.transmountain.com/dilute...en-information
    The existing pipeline carries both refined products as well as crude oil (including diluted bitumen) in batches. While the expansion pipeline is expected to carry mostly diluted bitumen to serve Asian markets, this will likely change over time as market conditions change.
    Trans Mountain is the only pipeline in North America that carries both refined product and crude oil in batches. On any given day, the pipeline is used to move different grades or varieties of petroleum. Products moving next to each other in the pipeline can mix. This mixing – or product interface – is minimized by putting the products in a specific sequence....

    Other than refined products, each of these general product types can be blended or pumped individually as requested by shippers – Trans Mountain’s customers who own the products transported in the pipeline. Any product moved in the pipeline must meet tariff requirements, which include the requirement for products to adhere to technical specifications in order for them to be accepted for transportation in the Trans Mountain Pipeline system.
    These rules specify that the product has:

    • A maximum temperature of 38⁰ C

    https://www.transmountain.com/product
    Yeah, TransMountain is totally objective in regards to pipelines. Just like Enbridge was when they increased the flow when the Keystone pipeline spilled in Michigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Apparently you have to just LOVE oil in order to live in Alberta.
    https://www.google.ca/search?q=i+lov...iw=375&bih=553. Yes, time to get with the program! 🤗

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    Makes you wonder why they don't include images like this one along with the usual pictures of lakes, mountains,wheat fields, etc. in tourism advertising. Could attract a lot of like minded folks from places like Texas, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia.

    Somebody contact Travel Alberta!


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    https://www.google.ca/search?q=open+...=inmv&hl=en-GB Open pit mining takes place around the world. Ours are easier to bring back to life than most.
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    Being as concerned as you are you’ve probably already seen them but go on google earth or maps and checkout elkford Sparwood area and south of tumbler ridge or by Spence’s bridge and Princeton the unbelievable excavations taking place that no one ever says anything about. Even on Vancouver island there’s humongous open pit mining taking place. All around bc. That’s just one province in one country, it’s worldwide, but they pick on is. Do your homework Kevin and check it out and you’ll see what I mean.
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    I'm just saying that if Albertans are supposed to love oil as much as we're supposed to, let's advertise the fact and stop hiding. If you're proud of it, advertise the fact.

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    I’m proud of our oil and gas industry personally. Just an item of interest. I gassed up at the Nisku Costco last night (Sunday 5:30 pm) and paid 79.9 for reg. Haven’t seen that price for a while. A $37 fill up.

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    Theres a lot more to alberta than oil and gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I’m proud of our oil and gas industry personally. Just an item of interest. I gassed up at the Nisku Costco last night (Sunday 5:30 pm) and paid 79.9 for reg. Haven’t seen that price for a while. A $37 fill up.
    You must be so happy that the oil and gas industry is in a tailspin while you gas up on cheap fuel at a huge American multinational.

    You must hate Alberta.
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    ....plus it says Husky on the nozzle handle, so it’s Chinese fuel....lol. Likely originated from the ground here in Alberta so nice of the Americans and the Chinese to give Albertans jobs to drill, transport, refine, retail, etc and give the governments some royalties and taxes. It’s better than buying our oil and or fuel from a foreign country and creating jobs in Nigeria, Sudan, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and the USA like they do in your city Montreal and other eastern Canadian regions while their western counterparts are hurting.
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    You must love giving away Alberta money to Chinese as cheaply as you can possible give it to them, without taking much back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Pipelines that ship bitumen require additional design due to it being more corrosive than crude. So, yes it CAN be used for other products but as designed and built, it's specifically for bitumen.
    The above statements are false. So is Edmonton PRT's claim that diluted bitumen is shipped piping hot.

    Is bitumen more corrosive than other crude oils?
    Transporting diluted bitumen is as safe as transporting other types of crude oil and it does not pose a greater risk of corrosion than pipelines carrying other types of petroleum products. The only significant difference between diluted bitumen and conventional crude is that diluted bitumen carries diluent. Neither the properties of diluent or bitumen carry any characteristics that would cause more corrosion.

    https://www.transmountain.com/dilute...en-information
    The existing pipeline carries both refined products as well as crude oil (including diluted bitumen) in batches. While the expansion pipeline is expected to carry mostly diluted bitumen to serve Asian markets, this will likely change over time as market conditions change.
    Trans Mountain is the only pipeline in North America that carries both refined product and crude oil in batches. On any given day, the pipeline is used to move different grades or varieties of petroleum. Products moving next to each other in the pipeline can mix. This mixing – or product interface – is minimized by putting the products in a specific sequence....

    Other than refined products, each of these general product types can be blended or pumped individually as requested by shippers – Trans Mountain’s customers who own the products transported in the pipeline. Any product moved in the pipeline must meet tariff requirements, which include the requirement for products to adhere to technical specifications in order for them to be accepted for transportation in the Trans Mountain Pipeline system.
    These rules specify that the product has:

    • A maximum temperature of 38⁰ C

    https://www.transmountain.com/product
    Yeah, TransMountain is totally objective in regards to pipelines. Just like Enbridge was when they increased the flow when the Keystone pipeline spilled in Michigan.
    So you really think Trans Mountain would put information on its website that could be easily disproven? Also, the Keystone pipeline is not owned by Enbridge nor does it go through Michigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    ....plus it says Husky on the nozzle handle, so it’s Chinese fuel....lol. Likely originated from the ground here in Alberta so nice of the Americans and the Chinese to give Albertans jobs to drill, transport, refine, retail, etc and give the governments some royalties and taxes.
    Nice of the Chinese and Americans to GIVE us jobs?


    You got that completely ***-backwards.

    We paid them with tax incentives, royalty breaks and corporate welfare for them to come into OUR province and extract OUR resources and they leave us with the environmental mess that will cost many time more than the Heritage Trust Fund savings.

    Old, unproductive oil and gas wells could cost up to $70B to clean up, says new report
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/orp...-aer-1.5089254

    The royalties and taxes that they pay are a pittance compared to what Norway gets for their resources.








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    ...and it turns out Quebec gets more out of it than we do.

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    If we had been a separate nation we could have did what Norway did but we are just a province of Canada. I think it’s been said 1000 times here yet most still don’t get that.

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    So I need someone from Montreal to tell me all this? You have some nerve. I know better than to get in a pissing match with you though. Over and out.
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    A class like this would be enlightening for many of us: https://conted.ucalgary.ca/search/pu...rseId=48988517

    UofA stinks at this kind of thing.

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    ^^ You ignorance is self evident. The redneck is showing.

    I was born, raised, lived and worked in Edmonton most of my life. I lived for 4 years in Toronto back in the 80s but moved back to my hometown and raised a family.

    Moved to Montreal a few years ago and then you claim I am a Quebecer.

    Edmonton is my hometown. You come from Drumheller so you have no basis to assert any superiority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs View Post
    A class like this would be enlightening for many of us: https://conted.ucalgary.ca/search/pu...rseId=48988517

    ...
    or perhaps this one : https://conted.ucalgary.ca/search/pu...courseId=66894
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    ^^Born in Wetaskiwin. Lived around Alberta a bit for work but Edmonton is my home city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Apparently you have to just LOVE oil in order to live in Alberta.
    Don't forget you also have to hate the environment apparently.

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    Another $18K of fines stemming from irregularities in the UCP leadership campaign. Total amount of fines levied thus far is more than $180,000.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...vies-1.5319521

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    ^^Born in Wetaskiwin.
    So you a foreigner. Sad....

    How did you pass the C2Edmonton robot screener filters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    Another $18K of fines stemming from irregularities in the UCP leadership campaign. Total amount of fines levied thus far is more than $180,000.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...vies-1.5319521
    Funny how everyone involved in the scheme is denying the charges but the evidence just keeps piling up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bicycles View Post
    Lol. After this federal election is done and Alberta gets the short end of the stick once again, this may be very true. Enjoy your new job at McDonalds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    She's a very brave young person. Let's hope she gets to Edmonton.
    I understand she'll be flying in on a giant white swan. God speed, Greta!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    She's a very brave young person. Let's hope she gets to Edmonton.
    I understand she'll be flying in on a giant white swan. God speed, Greta!

    All you kids, make sure you put away those gas guzzlers, phones and laptops while she's in town, or she's gonna give you a stern talking to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    ^^Born in Wetaskiwin.
    So you a foreigner. How did you pass the C2Edmonton robot screener filters?
    That’s about it too. lol. I doubt you even know where that is though. Did you have to check your map? Living in Edmonton-Wetaskiwin constituency and voting for present Conservative party MP Mike Lake. You?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    ^^Born in Wetaskiwin.
    So you a foreigner. Sad....

    How did you pass the C2Edmonton robot screener filters?
    Yes, not an NDPer and out in the burbs so makes it tough in here sometimes for sure. May have lived within the city limits for more years than you though in my life. ( MW, JP, Bev. Oliver, Calder, and Whyte ave.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    ^^Born in Wetaskiwin.
    So you a foreigner. Sad....

    How did you pass the C2Edmonton robot screener filters?
    I doubt you even know where that is. Did you have to check your map? Living in Edmonton-Wetaskiwin constituency and voting for present Conservative party MP Mike Lake. You?
    Wetaskiwin, isn't that like New Sarepta but with more car lots?

    Yes, everyone knows where Wetaskiwin is. But nobody admits that they are from there. LOL
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    I’m brave. lol. Like New Sarepta? What do you mean? We have a Walmart!!! And they’re renovating!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snail View Post
    She's a very brave young person. Let's hope she gets to Edmonton.
    I understand she'll be flying in on a giant white swan. God speed, Greta!

    All you kids, make sure you put away those gas guzzlers, phones and laptops while she's in town, or she's gonna give you a stern talking to!
    I wonder if Mike Hudema is going to greet her upon arrival and genuflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
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    ^^Born in Wetaskiwin.
    So you a foreigner. Sad....

    How did you pass the C2Edmonton robot screener filters?
    I doubt you even know where that is. Did you have to check your map? Living in Edmonton-Wetaskiwin constituency and voting for present Conservative party MP Mike Lake. You?
    Wetaskiwin, isn't that like New Sarepta but with more car lots?

    Yes, everyone knows where Wetaskiwin is. But nobody admits that they are from there. LOL
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