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    What pundits bely the fact that most corporations pay far less than the nominal tax rates or pay no taxes for years because of the complex tax codes that have all sorts of loopholes, writeoffs, credits carry overs and other schemes that are unavailable to the general public.

    Corporations are lined up with politicians to spend millions on lobbying lower tax rates, subsidies, tax free incentives and other corporate welfare and are the first to threaten moving jobs elsewhere if they don't get what they want. Many of the offenders are foreign multinationals who shift huge amounts of profits out of the country or have set up offshore tax havens and then falsely claim that they are losing money and pay zero taxes.

    If they lower the tax rate, then there should be a minimum mandatory tax rate ( suggest a minimum of 5% ) even if the company is losing money.
    If should be factored in as a cost of doing business like rent or utilities. If a company cannot pay their minimum base tax rate then they are not being run correctly. Furthermore, all the subsidies, loopholes and corporate welfare of this communist corporate system, should be shut down. If a company can't pull itself into profitability without sucking on the teat of the taxpayer bosom, then they don't deserve to exist.

    Just look at your property taxes. The COE cares not a bit if you can survive on your income or lost your job, you have to pay their tax.
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    So let’s make sure we have a job and income to do so. Scaring corporations away is not the answer. A society needs corporations, if they leave, we leave. I hate the thought of having to move away to find work. As corporations keep on shutting down or moving we move closer to a situation like the Atlantic provinces. Not necessarily large companies. A lot of medium and small ones. Driven through the ghostly streets of Nisku lately?

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    ^^

    it's not as simple as saying "corporations pay far less than the nominal tax rates or pay no taxes...".

    the intention of the tax act is that all income is ultimately taxed at the same rate. one of the reasons that corporations are taxed at a lower rate is under the assumption that earnings will - at some point - be paid to the shareholders. that money will then be taxed as income on their returns. corporations pay a lower rate and dividends are taxed at a lower rate than "regular income". taken together however, there should be no difference in the taxes paid on individual earnings and he cumulative taxes paid on corporate income and received dividends.

    i agree with you completely that the system is inordinately complex and there are too many examples of vested or special interest group incentives that are ultimately unavailable to the general public but it's also worth noting that the vast majority of those are not available to the vast majority of corporations either.

    as for the "minimum mandatory tax rate" you suggest, the hst and property taxes and payroll taxes and wcb contributions and cpp contributions and ui contributions likely already (rightfully) serve that function. what you are proposing instead is exactly the same as the property tax example you cite. that issue is less likely appropriately solved by making the income system more like the property tax system (i.e. a tax on capital and not on income) but by making the property tax system more like hst (i.e. it should be assessed and paid based on services provided to the asset, not on the value of the asset).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    So let’s make sure we have a job and income to do so. Scaring corporations away is not the answer. A society needs corporations, if they leave, we leave. I hate the thought of having to move away to find work. As corporations keep on shutting down or moving we move closer to a situation like the Atlantic provinces. Not necessarily large companies. A lot of medium and small ones. Driven through the ghostly streets of Nisku lately?
    Or, we could concentrate on attracting a variety of corporations. Ones that aren't all tied to the same volatile commodity price. One reason Edmonton weathered the lower oil price better than Calgary did is because cowtown is much more dependent on oil companies, particularly head offices.

    An economy is like a diet. A varied and balanced one is much healthier than one based on just a few items.

    I'd hope that the government would take that into consideration but the UCP seems particularly focused on O&G.

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    Do as we say, not as we do. - Jason Kenney

    Funny how Muir says that cancelling the pipeline is
    economic advantage for the good ole USA.
    yet those same Americans are paying him. Are those Americans working against their own country?

    Actually, foreign funding flows to both sides of Alberta’s oil sands battle

    Last month, when Jason Kenney announced the creation of a $30-million war room to fight for Alberta’s oil industry, one of the people standing on stage with him, looking on approvingly, was Stewart Muir, executive director of Resource Works, a British Columbia group that was created to rally support for petroleum projects like the Trans Mountain pipeline that will move Alberta bitumen to the Pacific.

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    Muir, who stood with Kenney and Krause when Kenney announced his war room, for instance, has taken $27,500 from Devon Energy, an Oklahoma company that until recently had a piece of the oil sands.


    The fact that he is working for American oil interests hasn’t stopped him from denouncing those who take money from American environmentalists:


    “At one level, this is the story of how American money was used to weaponize eco-radicals on Canada’s west coast, resulting in economic advantage for the good ole USA. Criminal that it’s still happening,” he tweeted on April 13.

    https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/...Nj3D7B57rGLaMs

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    So let’s make sure we have a job and income to do so. Scaring corporations away is not the answer. A society needs corporations, if they leave, we leave. I hate the thought of having to move away to find work. As corporations keep on shutting down or moving we move closer to a situation like the Atlantic provinces. Not necessarily large companies. A lot of medium and small ones. Driven through the ghostly streets of Nisku lately?
    Or, we could concentrate on attracting a variety of corporations. Ones that aren't all tied to the same volatile commodity price. One reason Edmonton weathered the lower oil price better than Calgary did is because cowtown is much more dependent on oil companies, particularly head offices.

    An economy is like a diet. A varied and balanced one is much healthier than one based on just a few items.

    I'd hope that the government would take that into consideration but the UCP seems particularly focused on O&G.
    Edmonton has steady-core-services-government-spending which uses debt when oil royalties dip. So it should perform better than Calgary when oil and gas prices fall. Calgary relies on fresh-development-capital and high energy margins, which attract fresh development capital. Maybe Calgary needs a larger share of government expenditures to diversify and stabilize its economy.

    I’m not sure how we possibly bring more value into Alberta than does Calgary. Moreover during high oil prices and oil production expansions Calgary thrives. It then figuratively falls from a greater height.

    As for attracting a variety of companies how do we do that? Subsidies? Lower taxes? Incentives? Deregulation? Targeted efforts?

    We need new value added export corporations in order to replace oil and gas exports. Domestic (Alberta) goods and services just shuffle the money whereas oil and gas brings in the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    ^examples of such businesses? Actually a source of a general trend would be better. One company leaving doesn't show the overall picture. If companies are leaving, that doesn't necessarily mean there's a net loss of business if new companies are coming in or being started.
    It's a bit of a stretch to say this is an example of the companies flocking to the states. You can see the general trend is down for foreign investment in Canada, but it also started before Trudeau was elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    ^examples of such businesses? Actually a source of a general trend would be better. One company leaving doesn't show the overall picture. If companies are leaving, that doesn't necessarily mean there's a net loss of business if new companies are coming in or being started.

    Almost every oil and gas company has left Alberta for greener pastures elsewhere.. this is a known fact. It continues to get worst.
    You mean when the global price of oil tanked, and made our expensive-to-produce oil not as economically feasible to produce? Sure, I guess if we can't blame the oil prices on Notley anymore, we can always blame Trudeau.

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    You can see longer term merchandise exports via the link.



    Merchandise Exports
    “PUBLISHED - Jul 5, 2019

    Alberta's international merchandise exports were $11.97 billion in May 2019, 17.4 % higher than the same period last year and an all-time monthly high. Canadian exports increased by 8.2% over the same period. In Alberta, all year-to-date export categories increased, except for basic and industrial chemical, plastic and rubber products (-6.4%). Exports of industrial machinery increased by 28.9% year-over-year, the most of any product category.”


    https://economicdashboard.alberta.ca/MerchandiseExports

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    "
    ‘Protest Papers’ reveal extent Canadian democracy is ‘captured’ by foreign oil companies, says former Alberta MLA"


    In 2014, the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association (BCCLA) filed a complaint with the CSIS watchdog, the Security Intelligence Review Committee, alleging it overstepped legal boundaries by spying on conservation and community groups opposed to the now-defunct Northern Gateway Pipeline in northern B.C.
    The heavily redacted documents showed CSIS staffers, whose names were blacked out, explaining how the agency shared “classified information” with petroleum companies at briefings in Ottawa.
    Despite Fortier ruling that there was no wrongdoing, the substance of the report is a problem for Taft. He said years of oil industry outreach seems to have penetrated Canada’s law enforcement agencies in order to advance its interests at the expense of Canada’s. “Canadians need to understand the oil industry is meeting and lobbying every agency of any interest right across Canada constantly,” he said. “They wine and dine, they give splashy presentations. This is an extraordinary, sophisticated political campaign that’s gone on for decades.”

    Last month Kevin Walby, an associate professor in the department of criminal justice at the University of Winnipeg, warned that information-sharing between police and oil companies could result in
    a breach of democratic rights
    for those seen as potential “eco-terrorists” by pipeline proponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Now this is a better form of assistance than corporate income tax cuts which only benefit those companies making profits and not those struggling with higher costs and liquidity issues.

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    Yeah, it's not like schools need funding or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Yeah, it's not like schools need funding or anything.
    Other taxpayers will have to pick up the tab or the government can always borrow more. (An age old solution.) Education cuts will also likely help reduce the costs.

    Of course, instead of cutting Corp income taxes could raise corporate income taxes. Lower upstream costs help keep companies afloat and companies that don’t go bankrupt can potentially become profitable. To avoid paying corporate income taxes surviving companies can always spend more of their discretionary income to raise their expenses. (Basically reinvest 100% or face parting with a percentage as corporate income taxes.)

    Also companies that stay afloat and avoid bankruptcy can continue to employ people who can the continue to pay taxes and spend their income. (Though unemployment does help bring in injections of EI monies from Ottawa.)
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    Socialism for corporations, rugged capitalism for schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Gotta pay back your corporate handlers.

    Give a million and get 23 back, what a deal...

    What next, a CRL for the oil & gas industry, you know the ones owned by foreign multinationals.

    CRL = Corporate Revenue Lobby
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Socialism for corporations, rugged capitalism for schools.
    Yup. Private schools seem safe despite the demands for their demise.

    Or maybe this will kill off the way education funds follow the student and ensure that the public schools capture all the funding.

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    'Kamikaze' Alberta UCP leadership candidate fined $68,000 for irregular donations

    Former United Conservative Party leadership hopeful Jeff Callaway has been fined $68,000 for irregular campaign contributions during the 2017 race in Alberta.


    The fines include a $15,000 penalty for colluding with Calgary businessman Robyn Lore in order to "circumvent a contribution limit," according to details published Tuesday on the provincial election commissioner's website.


    They also include soliciting or accepting a $60,000 contribution "the contestant knew or ought to have known was from a prohibited person or entity," according to the election commissioner's site.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ines-1.5216446

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    I think most UCP people don’t care.
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    Reminds me of the "bulk donation" Katz gave Redoford in 2011/12.
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    ^^^ There's actually been a correction. It's not $68,000.

    It's $70,000.

    Originally, the site listed $68,000 in fines, but an additional $2,000 fines was later added.
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    Kind of surprised that this hasn't been raised here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...tion-1.5215730

    Can't say I have high hopes that our provincial government is going to do anything useful to combat the opiate crisis. I'm sure that they will, however, open up the Nixon-era "How To Wage The War On Drugs" manual and see what regressive, idiotic policies they can dust off. Maybe mandatory minimums for drug possession? That'll do the trick!

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    Supervised injection sites are just a tool of Big Nalaxone!
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    Read the whole Rick Bell piece that the CBC article links to. It's absolutely staggering: https://calgarysun.com/opinion/colum...ddictions-boss

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    I'm never surprised at how regressive the UCP's policies are nor how much their base eats it up, but yeeesh that is a truly terrible opinion column even for the Calgary Sun.
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    ....wtf, so the minister of addictions thinks that safe injection sites are probably just a tool for BiG pHArmA to get more people on drugs? That's what I'm getting from that tweet.

    Great, we have a conspiracy theorist in charge of the opioid crisis, perfect timing.

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    Fake news! Sad! Witch hunt!!

    oh wait....

    Kenney wrongly accuses federal Liberals of $2.5M grant to attack energy industry
    Grant to fund academic project made 6 months before Trudeau Liberals took office

    Premier Jason Kenney accused the federal Liberals on Wednesday of approving a $2.5-million grant to a "left wing special interest group" that was, in fact, made by the previous Conservative government under former prime minister Stephen Harper. .


    Kenney made the claim while retweeting an op-ed from Canadian Taxpayers' Federation published in the Edmonton Sun on Tuesday.


    "The federal government benefits massively from taxes generated by our oil & gas industry & workers," the tweet read. "So why did the Trudeau Liberals give $2.5 million to a left wing special interest group to attack our energy industry?"

    The grant referenced by Kenney was made by the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council (SSHRC) for a project that aimed to document the "power of the fossil fuel industry in Western Canada."

    The SSHRC is a federal agency that funds post-secondary research in the humanities and social sciences.

    Harper was prime minister at the time and Kenney served in his cabinet.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...stry-1.5224096

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    How Kenney can fit another foot in his mouth is amazing. Especially since there were seven feet already there...


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    Breaking.....

    Alberta judge grants AUPE injunction against Bill 9

    A judge has delivered a blow to the provincial government by granting the Alberta Union of Provincial Employees an injunction against Bill 9, which delayed arbitration talks for thousands of workers.


    The ruling by Court of Queen's Bench Justice Eric Macklin suspends the Public Sector Wage Arbitration Deferral Act, which postponed wage talks until Oct. 30. Macklin's ruling means arbitration for 65,000 AUPE members can now continue.


    In a ten-page written ruling, Macklin found the AUPE met a three-part test for granting a temporary injunction.


    "A member of the public expects, and is entitled to expect, that an agreement reached with the government will be honoured," Macklin wrote in a decision released late Tuesday afternoon.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ll-9-1.5231168

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    I wonder if any of the other bills passed will be challenged. Bill 8 deals with revisions to GSAs.
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    I see that the NDP's cap on power prices , well intentioned has other un-intended consequences
    http://www.auc.ab.ca/pages/current-rates-electric.aspx

    For the past few months the price per kWh has been higher than the 6.8c cap. Great for consumers but ultimately we are all paying for this as the govt is covering the difference. Plus, it does nothing to encourage efficiency. I can crank up the AC knowing that the most I am going to pay per kWh is 6.8c. If that price were to be 10c, I would consider it a little more.

    ^ regarding the unions and this date they are all so worked up about. They really have the govt over a barrel. All the govt is doing is pushing the date a few months into the future. All their raises will be retro active anyways. Plus they have screwed the tax payer with their agreements. eg, if A gets 3%, B gets 5% and C get 6%, A and B can then demand and get 6%

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    So it shouldn't be a problem not to push it a few months into the future then, right? It's not like the government was trying to quash somebodies Charter rights is it?

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    We all know why the government wants to push it to the end of November. It has nothing to do with the specific CBA's that need negotiating. It is entirely due to Federal political considerations and the upcoming election. I fail to see why tens of thousands of peoples' collective bargaining rights should be superseded by a different level of government's election. Nice to see the courts agree.

    With that being said, I do hope that the UCP negotiates very tough deals with the various bargaining units. The private sector has taken a large hit to compensation and overall employment numbers in the past 5 years. The public sector has not, and things are out of balance. There does need to be some significant belt tightening. Hopefully not in terms of front line numbers, but more in terms of compensation and benefits for those already employed. A couple years of freezes hasn't been enough: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stud...n-alberta-2018

    Yes yes, it's the Fraser Institute and needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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    I suggest:
    - 10% pay cut for the public sector
    - 10% cut in staff for public sector
    - Change in pension plan to a cheaper one

    Who’s with me on this???

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    Bunch of overschooled eggheads! Real leaders drop out like Jason Kenney did!

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    New poll says most people are good with Jason. I know I am. I guess Edmonton is still weepy, oh well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I suggest:
    - 10% pay cut for the public sector
    - 10% cut in staff for public sector
    - Change in pension plan to a cheaper one

    Who’s with me on this???
    Changing union pension plans? Can the Provincial Government even do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I suggest:
    - 10% pay cut for the public sector
    - 10% cut in staff for public sector
    - Change in pension plan to a cheaper one

    Who’s with me on this???
    The first two might be called for.

    Changing to a cheaper pension is absolutely going in the wrong direction. The problem today is the the lack of decent pensions (DB or maybe largely DB with a bit of DC). There may be room for administrative efficiencies in the pension provision but the pensions themselves are not in anyway gold plated. Even the oft-referenced public sector pension indexing is essentially a falsehood as indexing only occurs after a prescribed threshold level. So just a decade of modest inflation can easily knock a quarter off most civil servants’ real pension receipts. In 25 years is could be approaching a 50% cut in purchasing power.

    So calling for degrading the quality of public pensions is somewhat analogous to calling for say Edmonton or Calgary’s drinking water quality cut to be more comparable of that of the low quality, substandard water systems found in some rural areas and reserves.

    On the inflation issue, a friend that went on long term disability (from a private company having private insurance) initially received a decent income. It didn’t take long for that decent income to become an impoverishing income as inflation ate away at his LTD payments. So that type of system isn’t something we should be hoping to lower all standards to in any type of support / pension system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I suggest:
    - 10% pay cut for the public sector
    - 10% cut in staff for public sector
    - Change in pension plan to a cheaper one

    Who’s with me on this???
    Changing union pension plans? Can the Provincial Government even do that?

    They are not union pension plans, as many members are not part of a union but still part of the plan. Yes, there is a lot of union members in two major plans, but not controlled by the union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I suggest:
    - 10% pay cut for the public sector
    - 10% cut in staff for public sector
    - Change in pension plan to a cheaper one

    Who’s with me on this???
    Changing union pension plans? Can the Provincial Government even do that?
    Why not?

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    It’s a good start:

    Pay cuts for premier, MLAs on agenda for committee meeting | CBC News

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ting-1.5235271

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Changing union pension plans? Can the Provincial Government even do that?
    Since when has legality stopped the UCP from doing whatever the hell they want when it comes to dealing with public employees? They'll waste some money taking it to court, waste some more challenging the ruling they'll inevitably get, then waste some more money on consultants, committees & panels, then they'll waste some money on advertising-pretending-to-be-legitimate-news-or-government-information to turn public employees into pariahs while complaining how times are so hard, despite wasting a ton of money & effort on a quixotic ideological crusade built to pander to the self-sabotaging sub-upper-class conservative voter, who'll eat it up like a free pancake breakfast.

    See: Bill 9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Changing union pension plans? Can the Provincial Government even do that?
    Since when has legality stopped the UCP from doing whatever the hell they want when it comes to dealing with public employees? They'll waste some money taking it to court, waste some more challenging the ruling they'll inevitably get, then waste some more money on consultants, committees & panels, then they'll waste some money on advertising-pretending-to-be-legitimate-news-or-government-information to turn public employees into pariahs while complaining how times are so hard, despite wasting a ton of money & effort on a quixotic ideological crusade built to pander to the self-sabotaging sub-upper-class conservative voter, who'll eat it up like a free pancake breakfast.

    See: Bill 9.
    Or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I suggest:- 10% pay cut for the public sector- 10% cut in staff for public sector - Change in pension plan to a cheaper oneWho’s with me on this???
    How about we try to utilize the existing resources better, eg, reign in EDO/SDO and introduce a 40 hour work week.Cap severance payments so long time useless can be gotten rid of.Re-examine the sick leave, and maybe outsource the management of sick leave.Modify the union contracts so there are clear deliverables wrt to performance.Unless some structural changes are made, reducing pay and employees wont fix anything in real terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    So calling for degrading the quality of public pensions is somewhat analogous to calling for say Edmonton or Calgary’s drinking water quality cut to be more comparable of that of the low quality, substandard water systems found in some rural areas and reserves.
    That's a fairly false analogy. Or at least, one that completely fails to mention the massive disparity in pensions between the public and private sector. People working in the private sector, a fair higher proportion of which have little or no pension provision outside of what they personally save and CPP, are subsidizing the pensions of those in the public sector through the tax system.

    So it's not just "some rural areas and reserves" that have the crappy water. It's just about everyone except for those lucky enough to work in the public sector. Go look at the Fraser Institute report I linked a few days ago in this thread:

    • The data that are available on non-wage benefits suggest that the government sector enjoys an advantage over the private sector. For example, 72% of government workers in Alberta are covered by a registered pension plan, compared to 24.2% of private-sector workers. Of those covered by a registered pension plan, 95.3% of government workers enjoyed a defined benefit pension compared to 29.3% of private-sector workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    People working (in all sectors) help pay for the contractual obligations to those in the public sector through the tax system.
    Fixed that for you.
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    I'm not familiar with union pension plans. I'm on OAS and that pension is Government sponsored so if the Federal Government decides austerity measures needs to be in place sure they can do what ever they want and that would be one of the first things to go. However the CPP is a contribution bassed pension that I contributed to. I imagine that the AUPE's pension plan is similar to the CPP. In other words Kenney etc, can't touch it.
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    Best starting point for info regarding provincial public servant pension plans is the APSC site: https://www.apsc.ca/index.jsp

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    So not only did Jason Kenney and the UCP arrange to pay for memberships for people, they stiffed the guy that they set up to do it.

    Investigation into Jason Kenney's UCP leadership campaign spreads

    A former United Conservative Party member who said he was sidelined by the party after spending $27,000 on memberships and events has been contacted by an investigator from the office of Alberta's election commissioner.

    Tariq Chaudhry complained to the commissioner seven months ago.

    In that complaint, he alleged Jason Kenney personally asked him to help recruit members of the Pakistani community and to "give out as many memberships" as he could in order to support Kenney's leadership bid.


    "I gave away many, but I could only afford to cover $6,000 worth," he wrote in a letter to the commissioner on Dec. 28, 2018.


    "Mr. Kenney told me that someone else will pay for the rest."

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    "Mr. Kenney asked the $6,000 I had be paid in cash and told me he would arrange for someone to pick up the same at my home at another time," he wrote in his affidavit.

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    CBC News has confirmed an email was sent to Chaudhry by Dave Jennings, an investigator at the office of the election commissioner, on May 27.

    "I've recently been assigned a file relating to your complaint to our office regarding Jason Kenney's campaign(s) in 2017 and 2018," reads the email, dated July 30.

    "Specifically, the allegations are that he had you buy UCP memberships and put on events that were not properly paid back or claimed/expensed."

    The email says Chaudhry is not under investigation.

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    The RCMP is also investigating what it calls "identity fraud" related to the 2017 UCP leadership race.

    The Kenney campaign has faced allegations that it used virtual private networks (VPNs) to mask the addresses of computers in order to cast multiple ballots from one location.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...dhry-1.5237882




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    So, the UCP are taking a cut in pay, well done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    So, the UCP are taking a cut in pay, well done!
    Yes. A promise fulfilled?

    Any comment on the investigation article shown above?


    For instance how do they insist a process was clean if CBC has shown them otherwise?

    “CBC News has confirmed that fraudulent emails were used to cast ballots in the vote, but the UCP insists the process was clean. ”

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...dhry-1.5237882
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I'm not familiar with union pension plans. I'm on OAS and that pension is Government sponsored so if the Federal Government decides austerity measures needs to be in place sure they can do what ever they want and that would be one of the first things to go.
    I wouldn't be too worried about OAS. Seniors are the most likely to show up at the polls of any demographic, so parties aren't exactly motivated to go after their programs. Just the opposite, really. The federal Conservatives tried to move back the eligibility age for OAS, in a staged fashion that wouldn't impact any current seniors, and that was one of the first things Trudeau reversed when he came to power: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...york-1.3495331

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    OAS + CPP are not similar to public sector pension plans.

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    I did not pay into OAS, nobody does. However, I get a 1% every quarter cost of living increase, even a cost of living increase is added onto my cpp. Even while I'm working part time, cpp still deducts from the gross on my pay cheque when I do work. At the same time, I can (by virtue of being on cpp) get a form from HR that lets me suspend cpp contributions. I like it this way because my cpp goes up a bit each year. I even get a cost of living increase on my Alberta senior benefit. its the smallest of my 4 pensions: OAS, GIS, CPP, ASB. All of those pensions are classified as taxable income. I can however, work a few hours/week (mitigated by health conditions) The only pension that the UPC (or any political AG party) has any influence over is my Alberta senior benefit. As for public sector pensions, they are managed by something else. They are similar because they (I assume) are employee deductions. In other words those pension contributions are paid out along with union dues etc by the employee. These "pension mechanisms" are beyond the reach of any reigning political party, UPC included.
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    Nice speech from Jason.
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    if it wasnt for all the high paying public sector work force the libraries would be fine..

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    Yeah, it's all them fancy librarians & their platinum plated pee pots! Totally not the $4.5B hole shot in our revenues, just them entitled, ornery leeches pretending they're "public servants".
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    The sky isn't falling yet.
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    The sky isn't falling yet.
    The forecast looks pretty gloomy though

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    That's about what the consensus was during the Klein years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    The sky isn't falling yet.
    Nope, not even close, lots of [email protected] on FB, which is so legit..lol
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    Well, that's one way to say that you weren't found guilty.

    Jason Kenney says office investigating his leadership campaign isn't safe from cuts
    Alberta's election commissioner has been probing 2017 UCP leadership race for months

    Alberta Premier Jason Kenney says all aspects of the provincial government could be subject to budget cuts, including the office of the election commissioner, which is investigating his leadership campaign.


    Kenney made the statement one day after it was revealed the office of the commissioner continues to investigate the 2017 UCP leadership race and Kenney's campaign.


    An email obtained by CBC News shows an investigator reached out to a former party member who alleges he spent $6,000 on memberships for others to support Kenney and that he was told by Kenney that a further 600 memberships he signed up would be paid for by someone else.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...sion-1.5238926


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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    The sky isn't falling yet.

    I knew the books were going to be much worse than the NDP said (that's why they didn't have budget)
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    ^How so?

    The audited financial statements for the year ending March 31, 2019 showed the deficit was down and the NDP government was ahead of schedule on its plan for a balanced budget.

    From page 7 of the 2018-19 Government of Alberta Annual Report:
    [QUOTE]The deficit in 2018-19 was $6.7 billion, a decrease of $1.3 billion from 2017-18, and $2.1 billion lower than estimated in Budget 2018. [QUOTE]

    From page 18 of the Independent Auditor's Report:
    [QUOTE]In my opinion, the accompanying consolidated financial statements present fairly, in all material respects, the consolidated financial position of the Province of Alberta as at March 31, 2019, and the results of its operations, its changes in net debt, and its cash flows for the year then ended in accordance with Canadian public sector accounting standards.[QUOTE]

    Source: https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/7714...ual-report.pdf

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    [QUOTE=East McCauley;940545]^How so?

    The audited financial statements for the year ending March 31, 2019 showed the deficit was down and the NDP government was ahead of schedule on its plan for a balanced budget.

    From page 7 of the 2018-19 Government of Alberta Annual Report:
    [QUOTE]The deficit in 2018-19 was $6.7 billion, a decrease of $1.3 billion from 2017-18, and $2.1 billion lower than estimated in Budget 2018. [QUOTE]

    From page 18 of the Independent Auditor's Report:
    [QUOTE]In my opinion, the accompanying consolidated financial statements present fairly, in all material respects, the consolidated financial position of the Province of Alberta as at March 31, 2019, and the results of its operations, its changes in net debt, and its cash flows for the year then ended in accordance with Canadian public sector accounting standards.It had and will have little to do with management and a lot to do with oil and gas prices (and low interest rates). Good or bad it’s all just dumb luck. Note both the absolute and relative amount of added debt for just one year:

    ”Net Financial Debt. At March 31, 2019, net financial
    debt was $27.5 billion, an increase of $8.1 billion
    from March 31, 2018, mainly due to higher
    2018-19, GoA Annual Report
    pdf named: 2018-19_AR-ExSumm_T01_fs.pdf
    borrowing for the fiscal and capital plans.”

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    Which does not support H.L.'s contention that the "NDP books" were going to be worse than expected. But she's just breathing the truth gas that Kenney blows out of his ***.

    Kenney said NDP 'lied' about Alberta's finances. New numbers suggest otherwise
    Premier stands by claim despite year-end report that paints different picture


    "From what I've seen, the NDP massively overstated revenues. They were dishonest with Albertans and they fudged the numbers," the premier said in Bell's column.


    "I would say we're at least a billion deeper in the hole, possibly more," Kenney added.


    Three weeks later, Kenney's own government released new numbers that seem to contradict those claims.


    Revenues actually up, deficit down
    In its year-end financial report, released June 28 — the Friday before the Canada Day long weekend — the province portrays a different image of the state of its finances.


    That document shows expenses for the year were actually down by about $300 million, compared with the third-quarter fiscal update put out by the previous NDP government in February. And there was virtually no change in revenues.


    The final numbers add up to a deficit that rings in roughly $2 billion lower than what the NDP estimated when it released its 2018/19 budget last year.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...lips-1.5197512


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    HL Parroting the UCP propaganda and pretty much stroking one off everytime Kenney speaks? Colour me shocked

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    Oh you sore losers, always wanting the NDP( BIG MONEY spenders )) back n power, Never again..LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Oh you sore losers, always wanting the NDP( BIG MONEY spenders )) back n power, Never again..LOL
    You sure like wearing your ignorance like a fancy hat, right out in the open where everyone can see. Who needs facts when you can just regurgitate lies & respond with ad hominems when your lying is uncovered?
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    A sore loser calling others sore losers. Tight. For someone who has whined and complained about notley and trudeau for the last 4 years, thats pretty rich. And apparently facts dont matter either when theres propaganda to parrot

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    The sky isn't falling yet.

    I knew the books were going to be much worse than the NDP said (that's why they didn't have budget)
    You are probably correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    The sky isn't falling yet.

    I knew the books were going to be much worse than the NDP said (that's why they didn't have budget)
    You are probably correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Oh you sore losers, always wanting the NDP( BIG MONEY spenders )) back n power, Never again..LOL
    You sure like wearing your ignorance like a fancy hat, right out in the open where everyone can see. Who needs facts when you can just regurgitate lies & respond with ad hominems when your lying is uncovered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    The sky isn't falling yet.

    I knew the books were going to be much worse than the NDP said (that's why they didn't have budget)
    You are probably correct.
    They said nothing about paying down our debt, just adding to it. Typical now dead party.
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    Jobs. Economy, pipelines?

    nope.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/can...july-1.5241385

    4.5 Billion dollars in tax breaks for his corporate buddies while unemployment goes up. Still no pipeline, still no jobs, still no improvement to the economy unless you are a corporation. Nothing trickling down either except cut backs to the working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    HL Parroting the UCP propaganda and pretty much stroking one off everytime Kenney speaks? Colour me shocked

    Kenney has looked exceptionally sharp as of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    HL Parroting the UCP propaganda and pretty much stroking one off everytime Kenney speaks? Colour me shocked

    Kenney has looked exceptionally sharp as of late.
    He really has, I'm happy to see that!
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    I'm sure hes still riding the high from saving our province and the millions that live here.

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    Following an increase in June, employment in Alberta declined by 14,000 in July, all in full-time work. Employment decreased notably in accommodation and food services as well as in natural resources. The unemployment rate rose by 0.4 percentage points to 7.0%. Compared with July 2018, employment in the province was little changed.
    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...90809a-eng.htm

    Look at all that great stuff trickling down! Wasn't the minimum wage supposed to help hire young workers for entry level jobs in the retail & service industry? Yet two large portions on the decline, along with natural resources....

    Hmmmmm.....
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    Edmonton and Calgary have switched places:

    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1410029401
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    A short while back:


    Job losses reveal NDP rhetoric - CochraneToday.ca
    Feb 14, 2019 by: Cochrane Eagle Staff

    “Despite the Alberta government trying to paint a rosy picture of a recovering Alberta economy, political rhetoric falls apart pretty quickly when faced with the numbers.”

    “Compared to January 2018, the province gained 10,700 jobs. However, 25,200 of those jobs were part-time, meaning there was a loss of 14,400 full-time positions over the past year. ”

    “It's easy to blame the price of oil for our woes and, yes, oil and gas layoffs hit this province exceedingly hard, but the NDP can't ignore the effects of many of its policies that have hit businesses and average Albertans while they have been down.”
    ...

    https://www.cochranetoday.ca/our-vie...etoric-1455947






    UCP plan will lead to 60,000 lost jobs over four years - AFL

    https://www.afl.org/ucp_plan_will_le...ver_four_years
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    Construction lost a lot of jobs, due to the weather, we can't get into so many job sites, so, lay offs had to happen. I see school boards trimmed some fat, that's good.

    Job losses reveal NDP rhetoric...lol
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    so the low paying jobs were hardest hit with job losses? Wonder how many of those jobs would be around if the minimum wage wasnt increased.

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    Construction isn't a low paying job.

    https://calgarysun.com/news/provinci...se-against-ndp

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    sorry I was referring to noodles post when it said most of the job losses were in accommodation and food service. The $15 an hour type of jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    sorry I was referring to noodles post when it said most of the job losses were in accommodation and food service. The $15 an hour type of jobs.
    Ahh, ammunition for the: boycott BC thread! And for the: what gets earned in Alberta drains from Alberta thread!

    Why aren’t those high paid construction folks vacationing in Alberta and supporting the economy that fills their pockets with dough! Instead they are hopping in their vehicles or on planes to create jobs in other places and starve our economy, our hotels and restaurants, of much needed jobs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Construction lost a lot of jobs, due to the weather, we can't get into so many job sites, so, lay offs had to happen. I see school boards trimmed some fat, that's good.

    Job losses reveal NDP rhetoric...lol

    Yeah it getting rid of the deadwood, trimming fat when it’s someone else’s job...

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    Typical conservative bullshiit, jobs losses before April, sky is falling, jobs losses after april: its fine, Jason Kenney.

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    Dont forget, the only jobs and industry that matters is O&G, according to the naive posters above. Everyone else can like it or leave... gwill/hl/drumbones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Dont forget, the only jobs and industry that matters is O&G, according to the naive posters above. Everyone else can like it or leave... gwill/hl/drumbones
    Those jobs are disappearing for a number of business reasons, improved efficiency and automation being basic reasons.

    Also as provincial resources deemed for export we would like to maximize our returns by minimizing our costs.

    If the province sold off land or other public assets, we sure wouldn’t be very happy if the commissioned salespeople took 90%+ of the value. Sell land for $10 million and the owner gets a cheque for $1 million!
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    "Who cares if it was minimum wage jobs that were lost, drill baby drill!!!! Double meat & lift kits for everyone!"
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    Minum wage is just that, it's not a wage you need to pay, and many still pay the $15.00. It just wont go up as fast as the now dead party wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Typical conservative bullshiit, jobs losses before April, sky is falling, jobs losses after april: its fine, Jason Kenney.
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    Unfortunately that’s not totally accurate. I have posted before on BC growth. Quebec is also doing fine. There’s a good chart here, I can’t use the image link on the forum to post it, but you can check it out.

    https://business.financialpost.com/n...ardier-and-snc

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    There is more to Canada that two provinces, I see Halifax isn't doing well either and a few others. BC might be doing well, but man the taxes are high there, laundered money is good to a province\


    Homeless in BC https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...less-1.5172332
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    We need to be honest with ourselves. It is just a start for UCP and I am willing to wait a few more months (first budget will reveal their economic plan), but saying something inaccurate is not really helpful.

    Please read the Statistics Canada link posted in #582. 14k jobs lost and most jobs lost here were full time jobs. And on whether it is Canada wide, you be the judge:

    While employment was little changed overall in July, it decreased in Alberta, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick, and increased in Quebec and Prince Edward Island. Employment held steady in the other provinces.

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    Canada lost 24,200 jobs last month and its unemployment rate moved up to 5.7 per cent to give the economy its weakest three-month stretch of job creation since early 2018, according

    More than 14 K!


    https://globalnews.ca/news/5745700/canada-loses-jobs-wages-grow-july/

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