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    So environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks?

    That we should ignore human rights because there's countries that don't recognize them?

    Great. Let's race dictatorships and other bad actors to the bottom.

    North Korea uses their citizens as slave labour. It's not fair that Alberta requires that people be paid for their work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks?

    That we should ignore human rights because there's countries that don't recognize them?

    Great. Let's race dictatorships and other bad actors to the bottom.

    North Korea uses their citizens as slave labour. It's not fair that Alberta requires that people be paid for their work.
    maybe i missed something somewhere??? who said or posted any of those things???
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    KC believes that Kenney thinks that we're easy marks because we won't play hardball with environmentalists like Putin does. He also draws the comparison to drug lords.

    Notice that I'm not saying that KC believes this, simply that he believes these ideas are what motivated Kenney to say what he found instructional.

    What I was using is called satire.

    sat∑ire
    /ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/
    noun

    the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
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    So I believe Kenney’s message wasn’t, or wasn’t just, that dictatorships are efficiently blocking protests and so developing or maintaining their economies but it was that we are easy marks, easy wins, for environmental protest groups. As such Russia sells its oil and we take on many extra billions in debt because we can’t sell our oil.


    In a sense it’s: no good deed goes unpunished. Open societies have to compete against dictatorships. The good deed of human rights suffers the punishment that the human rights abusers get to take advantage of the societies honouring and working out human rights issues. Just like drug lords and other crooks becoming incredibly rich and powerful (even politically powerful) off the back of societies that won’t or can’t play hardball to bring them down.

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    aaah...

    got it. now you know what kc thinks too because one of the voices called satire told you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks?

    That we should ignore human rights because there's countries that don't recognize them?

    Great. Let's race dictatorships and other bad actors to the bottom.

    North Korea uses their citizens as slave labour. It's not fair that Alberta requires that people be paid for their work.
    “...environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks...” - kkozoriz

    I don’t know why you would even think such a thing. There’s no way that environmentalists are morally equivalent to crooks and drug lords. Saying they are means you have a deplorable and reprehensible mind. (See I can play dumb as a fence post too.)

    BTW I was just reading a child psychology book today where the author mentioned our young children tend to only see things in black and white terms. As they grow up and their brains mature they start to understand all the greyness in the world - except where children have autism etc. Then I heard Rick Mercer on the radio say how when he was young everything seemed black and white and as he aged he saw that the world was really a whole lot of grey.

    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    The point is, every organization is under pressure (internal or external) to accomplish something - some goal. So they often go after the “low hanging fruit” first. The easy or safe win. “The easy mark”.

    The dictatorship’s get [to] use force etc to prevent protest. The democracies therefore become by default the only place that change is attainable. The irony is that whole rights and other types of battles are taking place in the open societies no one is putting those situations in the broader perspective. This is fine until the dictatorships gain advantage because of the uneven playing field.
    Last edited by KC; Yesterday at 09:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks?

    That we should ignore human rights because there's countries that don't recognize them?

    Great. Let's race dictatorships and other bad actors to the bottom.

    North Korea uses their citizens as slave labour. It's not fair that Alberta requires that people be paid for their work.
    ď...environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks...Ē - kkozoriz

    I donít know why you would even think such a thing. Thereís no way that environmentalists are morally equivalent to crooks and drug lords.
    You're right. Kenney doesn't think that environmentalists are the equivalent of drug lords and crooks. He's not holding hearings to try and shut down drug lords and crooks.

    It appears he thinks that they're worse. Where's the attacks on freedom of expression and freedom of association for drug lords and crooks?

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    So I believe Kenneyís message wasnít, or wasnít just, that dictatorships are efficiently blocking protests and so developing or maintaining their economies but it was that we are easy marks, easy wins, for environmental protest groups. As such Russia sells its oil and we take on many extra billions in debt because we canít sell our oil.


    In a sense itís: no good deed goes unpunished. Open societies have to compete against dictatorships. The good deed of human rights suffers the punishment that the human rights abusers get to take advantage of the societies honouring and working out human rights issues. Just like drug lords and other crooks becoming incredibly rich and powerful (even politically powerful) off the back of societies that wonít or canít play hardball to bring them down.
    So what's the solution? Play the same game as Russia does? Admit that supporting human rights is often the harder road to take? Try to find a solution between them? Perhaps go after some human rights and not others?

    Let's not forget that China, no paragon of virtue when it comes to human rights, is a big supporter of the pipeline to the coast and that Jason Kenny just gave them (along with other corporations, a nice, big tax cut. So rewards for the bad actors and judicial inquiries for environmentalists?

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    “So what's the solution?”

    Downsize everything possible. Raise taxes to build stability and pay down debt before it rolls at potential far higher rates. Raise taxes on profits leaving Alberta. Cut salaries. Stop borrowing. Stop acting like oil and gas are going to return Alberta to boom time conditions. Start living within our now dramatically reduced means. Spend locally. Introduce a tax regime less dependent on resource development. Ty to resolve the pipeline issues to enable Alberta to earn a decent return on the already built resource extraction plants. Restrict future development unless the means of export generates a profit. Forget the social license approach as the environmentalists totally ignored those efforts. Reduce our own resource consumption wherever reasonable based on logical assessments including environmental concerns. ...
    Last edited by KC; Yesterday at 10:29 PM.

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    Or just raid the Heritage Trust Fund and give out cheques of $400 in Kenney Kash
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