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    At the risk of invoking yourself? Classic SDM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    At the risk of invoking the ire of a forum douche canoe or two, I'm fairly certain that news of a new hospital will be posted here
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/showt...Proposed/page2
    Thanks douche canoe.

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    https://globalnews.ca/news/3771028/n...etting-closer/

    The next decade will see a ton of road infrastructure work in the southwest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Do we know where the new hospital is going?
    There is a big sign up Site of new Hospital on 127 and about 22 ave SW about two miles off the Henday
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    Alberta’s transportation minister says design work is underway to widen the southwest Anthony Henday Drive, but no date has yet been set for construction.
    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/poli...cture-spending

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    Thank you for pretty much telling us nothing significant will be done. How much design is needed, most of the base grade is complete, the piers on the bridge can handle 4 lanes each direction, the most difficult design issue is widening the Wedgewood Ravine bridge.

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    They could double lanes on the on-off ramps from the Anthony Henday to,Yellowhead Trail and Stony Plain Road right now if they wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Thank you for pretty much telling us nothing significant will be done. How much design is needed, most of the base grade is complete, the piers on the bridge can handle 4 lanes each direction, the most difficult design issue is widening the Wedgewood Ravine bridge.
    I've heard that since the wedgewood ravine bridge was value-engineered at the beginning it's going to be a huge issue to widen it now. Also a question of an access road being built into the ravine. That and the piers on the other bridge are wide enough but there is a question of whether they will be able to support both the crane needed for lifts and the added weight of said lifts. So design work will probably focus on lay-down areas and figuring out how exactly to do the job vs figuring out base grade, etc.

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    I'd imagine for the river bridge you can either build a berm for the crane, of course during lifts the bridge would need to be closed. Or they can use hydraulic jacks to push the extra beams across (10 Mile/Park Bridge near Golden was built that way).

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    Expansion plans set to be announced for the Anthony Henday southwest tomorrow.
    https://twitter.com/estolte/status/1006279394187464704

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    Prepare for outrage at cost/timeline/scope/everything. Meanwhile those of us who need this road to support a much higher load will be over here jumping for joy while simultaneously dreading the impending construction zone.

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    Well, with the planned LRT and the plans for a the new massive hospital out that way they'd be dumb to not have plans in the works to re-do that portion of the Henday.

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    I'm hoping modifications to the Terwillegar Drive interchange and Whitemud Drive are included with the plans

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    Doubt it. I think it will be 3 lanes per direction betwixt Gateway Blvd and Stony Plain Rd.
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    Little here about the upgrades themselves. Just debating urban sprawl.

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    Some big signage too, please:

    One: Signs telling on-ramp drivers to speed up to match the freeway traffic’s speed would be wonderful. More than once I’ve been behind people merging at 60 km/h.

    Far more frequently I’m stuck behind people that think merging at 75-85 km/h is sufficient. Then all the freeway traffic has to hit their brakes and drivers in the right-hand lane end up suddenly swerving into the left-hand lane when they realize that an amateur driver has arrived on the scene.

    Amazingly, a couple times I’ve watched people manage to keep their speed down to only about 70 km/h while coming downhill on that amazingly long downward sloping Terrwilligar on-ramp. Then they’ve merged into the traffic otherwise doing about 100 km/h. You’d almost have to use your brakes to avoid accelerating to freeway speeds on that great on-ramp.

    Two: Sign telling off-ramp drivers not to begin slowing until their wheels leave the right-hand lane and are all on the off-ramp, and they are not impeding the speed of drivers continuing on, on the freeway.

    Three: signs for all novice drivers saying “Slower Traffic Keep Right” so the left lane is kept clearer, and consistency, predictability and smooth traffic flow is created for all drivers.[/b] Passing on the right is near eliminated and “city-only-drivers” gain an understanding of highway driving practices and consequently loose their fear of using their vehicle’s signal lights and making lane changes while driving at that, ‘oh, so scary’ 100 km/h highway speed.

    Four: “Maintain speed” signs by the bridge and going up the river banks on either side. Unfortunately people slow down and the traffic backs up, especially up the south bank with the Terwiligar on-ramp that meets near the bridge.

    Five: “Stop being a jerk” signs telling people in traffic they has slowed and backed up on the freeway to increase the distance between their vehicles and aim for a slow but continuously moving mass of vehicles without that repetitive start and stop nonsense where people ride each other’s bumpers and go from 40 to 0 to 40 to 0 to ... every 30 seconds later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Some big signage too, please:One: Signs telling on-ramp drivers to speed up to match the freeway traffic’s speed would be wonderful. More than once I’ve been behind people merging at 60 km/h. Frequently I’m stuck behind people that think 75-85 km/h is sufficient. Amazingly, I’ve seen people merge into 100 km/h at about 70 km/h while coming downhill on that amazingly long downward sloping Terrwilligar on-ramp. You’d almost have to use your brakes to avoid accelerating freeway speeds on that ramp.Two: Sign telling off-ramp drivers not to begin slowing until their wheels leave the right-hand lane, are on the off-ramp, and they are not impeding the speed of drivers continuing on, on the freeway.Three: signs for all novice drivers saying “Slower Traffic Keep Right” so the left lane is kept clearer, and consistency and predictability is created for all drivers. Passing on the right is near eliminated and “city-only-drivers” gain an understanding of highway driving practices and consequently loose their fear of using their vehicle’s signal lights and making lane changes while driving at that, ‘oh, so scary’ 100 km/h highway speed.Four: “Maintain speed” signs by the bridge and going up the river banks on either side. People slow down and the traffic backs up, especially up the south bank with the Terwiligar on-ramp that meets near the bridge.
    Good points, seems like we are going to spend mega dollars to fix people's inability to drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Some big signage too, please:One: Signs telling on-ramp drivers to speed up to match the freeway traffic’s speed would be wonderful. More than once I’ve been behind people merging at 60 km/h. Frequently I’m stuck behind people that think 75-85 km/h is sufficient. Amazingly, I’ve seen people merge into 100 km/h at about 70 km/h while coming downhill on that amazingly long downward sloping Terrwilligar on-ramp. You’d almost have to use your brakes to avoid accelerating freeway speeds on that ramp.Two: Sign telling off-ramp drivers not to begin slowing until their wheels leave the right-hand lane, are on the off-ramp, and they are not impeding the speed of drivers continuing on, on the freeway.Three: signs for all novice drivers saying “Slower Traffic Keep Right” so the left lane is kept clearer, and consistency and predictability is created for all drivers. Passing on the right is near eliminated and “city-only-drivers” gain an understanding of highway driving practices and consequently loose their fear of using their vehicle’s signal lights and making lane changes while driving at that, ‘oh, so scary’ 100 km/h highway speed.Four: “Maintain speed” signs by the bridge and going up the river banks on either side. People slow down and the traffic backs up, especially up the south bank with the Terwiligar on-ramp that meets near the bridge.
    You pretty much nailed it. I agree with all four points. There are some horrible drivers out there who don't understand how it all works to make things flow smoothly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Some big signage too, please:

    One: Signs telling on-ramp drivers to speed up to match the freeway traffic’s speed would be wonderful. More than once I’ve been behind people merging at 60 km/h. Frequently I’m stuck behind people that think 75-85 km/h is sufficient. Amazingly, I’ve seen people merge into 100 km/h at about 70 km/h while coming downhill on that amazingly long downward sloping Terrwilligar on-ramp. You’d almost have to use your brakes to avoid accelerating freeway speeds on that ramp.

    Two: Sign telling off-ramp drivers not to begin slowing until their wheels leave the right-hand lane and are all on the off-ramp, and they are not impeding the speed of drivers continuing on, on the freeway.

    Three: signs for all novice drivers saying “Slower Traffic Keep Right” so the left lane is kept clearer, and consistency, predictability and smooth traffic flow is created for all drivers.[/b] Passing on the right is near eliminated and “city-only-drivers” gain an understanding of highway driving practices and consequently loose their fear of using their vehicle’s signal lights and making lane changes while driving at that, ‘oh, so scary’ 100 km/h highway speed.

    Four: “Maintain speed” signs by the bridge and going up the river banks on either side. Unfortunately people slow down and the traffic backs up, especially up the south bank with the Terwiligar on-ramp that meets near the bridge.

    Five: “Stop being a jerk” signs telling people in traffic they has slowed and backed up on the freeway to increase the distance between their vehicles and aim for a slow but continuously moving mass of vehicles without that repetitive start and stop nonsense where people ride each other’s bumpers and go from 40 to 0 to 40 to 0 to ... every 30 seconds later.

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    Hahahaha

    I write like others drive. First get on the freeway then speed up. I jumped onto this thread and only then started repeatedly revising my post. (Notice my subsequent changes and added points.)

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    I wonder if the 135 Street overpass and the LRT bridge will be included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Little here about the upgrades themselves. Just debating urban sprawl.
    that's because the announcement is today with I hope more details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Some big signage too, please:One: Signs telling on-ramp drivers to speed up to match the freeway traffic’s speed would be wonderful. More than once I’ve been behind people merging at 60 km/h. Frequently I’m stuck behind people that think 75-85 km/h is sufficient. Amazingly, I’ve seen people merge into 100 km/h at about 70 km/h while coming downhill on that amazingly long downward sloping Terrwilligar on-ramp. You’d almost have to use your brakes to avoid accelerating freeway speeds on that ramp.Two: Sign telling off-ramp drivers not to begin slowing until their wheels leave the right-hand lane, are on the off-ramp, and they are not impeding the speed of drivers continuing on, on the freeway.Three: signs for all novice drivers saying “Slower Traffic Keep Right” so the left lane is kept clearer, and consistency and predictability is created for all drivers. Passing on the right is near eliminated and “city-only-drivers” gain an understanding of highway driving practices and consequently loose their fear of using their vehicle’s signal lights and making lane changes while driving at that, ‘oh, so scary’ 100 km/h highway speed.Four: “Maintain speed” signs by the bridge and going up the river banks on either side. People slow down and the traffic backs up, especially up the south bank with the Terwiligar on-ramp that meets near the bridge.
    Good points, seems like we are going to spend mega dollars to fix people's inability to drive.
    The road is past capacity. As much as I'm on the same page that nobody knows how to merge on to a freeway with or without congestion, the road is congested to the point they should've been adding a third lane years ago.

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    I wouldn't hold my breath for the 135th overpass, LRT bridge, any interchange work, or any of that. My bet is that it'll be 3 lanes (each direction) between 111th and Whitemud so it matches the rest of the ring road. I just hope they try to keep shut downs/lane closures/etc to nights and weekends as much as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Some big signage too, please:



    Three: signs for all novice drivers saying “Slower Traffic Keep Right” so the left lane is kept clearer, and consistency, predictability and smooth traffic flow is created for all drivers.[/b] Passing on the right is near eliminated and “city-only-drivers” gain an understanding of highway driving practices and consequently loose their fear of using their vehicle’s signal lights and making lane changes while driving at that, ‘oh, so scary’ 100 km/h highway speed.
    I like your other ideas, but if it's really "at capacity" then any attempt to encourage passing is counter-productive. I really noticed this on the QE2 this weekend - it felt like it was at close to capacity but it really wasn't because the same cars were variously clogging both lanes. There would have been lots of space for more traffic if the majority of traffic going 120 wasn't constantly changing lanes to pass the 20% of vehicles travelling at 115, and then changing back to get out of the way of the 10% going 125.
    There can only be one.

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    That's just what novice drivers need: more signs to distract them from paying attention to traffic.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    That's just what novice drivers need: more signs to distract them from paying attention to traffic.
    Yup. Will slow traffic another 20% and distract them from their texting-while-driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    That's just what novice drivers need: more signs to distract them from paying attention to traffic.
    “to distract them”

    They are arriving distracted already. Oblivious to the requirements of the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Some big signage too, please:



    Three: signs for all novice drivers saying “Slower Traffic Keep Right” so the left lane is kept clearer, and consistency, predictability and smooth traffic flow is created for all drivers.[/b] Passing on the right is near eliminated and “city-only-drivers” gain an understanding of highway driving practices and consequently loose their fear of using their vehicle’s signal lights and making lane changes while driving at that, ‘oh, so scary’ 100 km/h highway speed.
    I like your other ideas, but if it's really "at capacity" then any attempt to encourage passing is counter-productive. I really noticed this on the QE2 this weekend - it felt like it was at close to capacity but it really wasn't because the same cars were variously clogging both lanes. There would have been lots of space for more traffic if the majority of traffic going 120 wasn't constantly changing lanes to pass the 20% of vehicles travelling at 115, and then changing back to get out of the way of the 10% going 125.
    Maybe.

    However, no one really enjoys changing lanes. That’s pretty obvious as we all see people forever sitting in the left lane. These people combined with people in the right hand lane all doing different speeds slow the overall throughput and hence create congestion. I suspect that can create an impression of a road at capacity well below its potential capacity. (I often see on the QEII long empty gaps between clusters of vehicles.)

    Now, if people were encouraged to keep to the right as much as possible, then added pressure would be put on all drivers to drive consistently, predictably and to conform to thdvspeed being set by the group.

    So, if you’re in the right-hand lane and a lot of cars come up behind you, swing into the left lane, pass you, and then pull back into the right-hand in front of you to continue on, then that should be a sign that you could maybe speed up to keep up with the general traffic flow and reduce the numbers of people having to pass you.

    At some point though the government should then recognize the need to add another lane rather than force people to give up a safe, standard, near universal driving practice because they don’t want to spend the money to build roads appropriately sized for the demand.

    Think electricity. Should they stop adding production to save money and force everyone to alter all their economic practices (work hours etc) to adjust their scheduling of electricity usage?
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    KC- the provincial government has long stated that SW Henday is over capacity. According to guidelines, a third lane should've been added back in 2009, when we hit certain volume levels, but both the PCs and NDPs have neglected to action this until now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I wouldn't hold my breath for the 135th overpass, LRT bridge, any interchange work, or any of that.
    The 135 Street interchange is the City's responsibility. Planning is proceeding. There is a public meeting this afternoon where more details will be unveiled and posted online shortly thereafter.

    https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_pla...onnection.aspx

    Regardless of what the City does, the existing unsafe 127 Street on/off exits will permanently close no later than June 2019 (one year from now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I wouldn't hold my breath for the 135th overpass, LRT bridge, any interchange work, or any of that.
    The 135 Street interchange is the City's responsibility. Planning is proceeding. There is a public meeting this afternoon where more details will be unveiled and posted online shortly thereafter.

    https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_pla...onnection.aspx

    Regardless of what the City does, the existing unsafe 127 Street on/off exits will permanently close no later than June 2019 (one year from now).
    I just meant as part of Today's announcement.

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    Shanelle Kaul‏ @shanellekaulCTV
    Southwest leg of Anthony Henday Drive will be expanded from 4 to 6 lanes. Construction to begin next year, project will take 3 years to complete.

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    Ward 9 Councillor Tim Cartmell says the southwest is the fastest growing area of our city. Henday will expand from Whitemud down to 111 street.
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    The southwest leg of Edmonton’s ring road was designed for a volume of 40,000 per day but is now about 80,000 per day.

    The expansion is to give about 120,000 capacity.

    Design work is $6 million and total amount is about $100 million.

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    I had the displeasure of driving north on 111 street the other day during rush hour. The traffic was backed up all the way to Blackmud creek with people trying to turn west onto AHD. This expansion cannot come soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I wouldn't hold my breath for the 135th overpass, LRT bridge, any interchange work, or any of that. My bet is that it'll be 3 lanes (each direction) between 111th and Whitemud so it matches the rest of the ring road. I just hope they try to keep shut downs/lane closures/etc to nights and weekends as much as possible.
    LOL. Doing work at night and weekends makes too much sense. Means the city will do the opposite...

    The henday construction and the white mud at the same time a few years back was a total disaster for travelling.... thankfully I didn't need to travel during rush hour most times.

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    SW Anthony Henday Expansion to 3 lanes. Should be graded to allow for a 4th lane now.

    https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...C402A87081036F

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    Curious what the plan is at Whitemud Creek.

    Very little space to add 2 lanes...

    https://goo.gl/maps/9XgpFiGdjYm

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    Whitemud Creek should be minimal - just extend the 2 grates out, right?
    I for one am more curious about the North Saskatchewan River bridges and if they can handle extra lanes without rebuilding the supports.
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    For all other bridges over the River and various creeks, the abutments and piers have been built to accommodate the ultimate design of 4 lanes in each direction.

    All that is required is erection of new girders and a new bridge deck poured adjacent to the existing.

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    This "expansion" is a joke. So a third lane to be done around 2021/2022. At which point, volume will easily exceed 120k vehicles per day and we will have to wait another 10 years before they determine we reached capacity in 2023 and need a 4th lane. Anyone else seeing a pattern here? In the mean time just glancing at the SW Calgary Stoney I see they are building the middle section to 5 lanes in each direction. Take a look at google maps. It borders an already fully developed part of the city on one side and the Tsuu T'ina Reservation on the other. 10 lanes??? Really? I doubt that stretch will reach 80k cars anytime after opening. But that's where our province is spening our money. I am fed up of the short-sightedness and constant misallocation of money in this province, heavily favoring Calgary one government after another. END OF RANT.

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    ^If you look at an aerial view of the SW Henday crossing the North Saskatchewan River I think the ultimate 4 lane configuration involves adding an inside lane and a outside lane in each direction. Short of shutting the Henday down during construction, this pretty much necessitates adding one lane in each direction in two phases. As mentioned in the press release, the decision to use concrete rather than pavement when the traffic lanes were initially constructed adds to the complication of adding traffic lanes to the existing roadway. Plus the expansion will no doubt lead to renewed calls for sound barriers to mitigate noise from the freeway on nearby residents. All of this will need to be considered during the design process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Curious what the plan is at Whitemud Creek.

    Very little space to add 2 lanes...

    https://goo.gl/maps/9XgpFiGdjYm
    There is sufficient room to add 2 lanes each direction without having to narrow the shoulders significantly, one lane towards the median, the other on the outside.

    The really expensive parts are widening Blackmud Creek, North Saskatchewan and Wedgewood Ravine bridges. They don't have the room on WB Anthony Henday to add lanes on the outside, the cheapest way to make both directions 4 lanes (eventually) would be to add 2 lanes WB along the median, and 2 lanes EB to the outside. But doing so means you're getting very close (probably too close) to the banks of the creek. Another method would be to make the WB main lane bridge and the WB C/D ramp bridges into one structure and then widen to one side.
    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4349.../data=!3m1!1e3
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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I wouldn't hold my breath for the 135th overpass, LRT bridge, any interchange work, or any of that.
    The 135 Street interchange is the City's responsibility. Planning is proceeding. There is a public meeting this afternoon where more details will be unveiled and posted online shortly thereafter.

    https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_pla...onnection.aspx

    Regardless of what the City does, the existing unsafe 127 Street on/off exits will permanently close no later than June 2019 (one year from now).

    The City's responsibility is to construct the 135 Street and Anthony Henday "Connection". The Future "Interchange" at 135 Street is under the "Provincial Jurisdiction", and requires additional planning work by AT to confirm its configuration.
    Anything related to this construction has nothing to do with an Interchange. Its the Connectors. Big difference.
    Come June 2019 all that will be built is a new off ramp and new on ramp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    The really expensive parts are widening Blackmud Creek, North Saskatchewan and Wedgewood Ravine bridges. They don't have the room on WB Anthony Henday to add lanes on the outside, the cheapest way to make both directions 4 lanes (eventually) would be to add 2 lanes WB along the median, and 2 lanes EB to the outside. But doing so means you're getting very close (probably too close) to the banks of the creek. Another method would be to make the WB main lane bridge and the WB C/D ramp bridges into one structure and then widen to one side.
    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4349.../data=!3m1!1e3
    Mind you the blackmud bridges already have 3 lanes on the bridge decks. Just needs a reconfiguration on the approaches. I think this area is just outside of the improvement area identified anyhow...
    The N.Sask and Wedgewood bridges you can visibly see the very wide piers and lanes were planned for either side of the existing bridges. Ideally they maintain two narrow lanes with a speed of 50/60kph during rush hour and expect total closures at night when they're erecting the girders.

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    The City has posted a slide deck with details on 135 Street entrance/exit to Henday, and related improvements:

    https://www.edmonton.ca/documents/PD...s_June2018.pdf

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    Man, the SW is going to suck to drive in for a few years:

    Rabbit Hill Road from Henday to half way to 23rd Avenue will be under construction to increase lanes from 2 to 2018-2019
    Henday SW will be adding lanes from 111st to Whitemud Starting in 2019-2022
    Ellersile will see widening 2018-2019
    127 street will close once 135 street is open
    Terwillegar Drive should see the start of improvements in 2019 or 2020... which will last several years depending on options chose.

    Good thing I can walk to work in about 5 minutes and most of this shouldn't have a big impact on me... .but others... yikes!

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    I'll just go the other way to work on the Henday. Living near Summerside and working on St Albert Trail makes for a long drive to work.

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    "The road being designed now has a lifespan of about 20 years, and there’s room for future widening, van der Meer said.". I would be shocked if it actually takes 20 years to reach capacity.

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    Not sure if any information is out there regarding the 17Street interchange in the South East section. Looks like they are setting up to widen the overpass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brody View Post
    Not sure if any information is out there regarding the 17Street interchange in the South East section. Looks like they are setting up to widen the overpass.
    Really hope thats not what it is. That overpass doesn't see hardly any traffic compared to many others, especially in the SW, that could use some love first.

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    I believe its warranty work to fix an issue with part of the retaining wall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    I believe its warranty work to fix an issue with part of the retaining wall?
    Ya maybe, but to have large section out on both sides to match up for a bridge expansion. Looks like some of the backfill was removed and they are setting up barriers on the centre of the henday as well.

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    I concur with Brody looks like expansion. Can't find any information on it though

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    Why expand to only 6 lanes. Wouldn’t that JUST put the road back to capacity? Why not go 8 lanes to take into account future growth so they don’t need to expand for another 10 years?

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    ^ agree on that. 4 lanes please! Why revisit this in a few years when we can just make it right now for the long term

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    From what I understand the bridge piers have room for one additional lane on each side of the existing roadway, which means there's little savings to doing it all at once. For the rest, if you're reshaping shouders and moving ditches on one side you might as well do enough for two lanes at once.
    There can only be one.

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    ^if they removed the shoulders from the bridge and expanded it, they would be able to have 4 lanes crossing each direction. And that would be an acceptable solution until they could build additional bridges to cross.

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    Maybe the could utilize the existing piers and put up a bridge in between and make it alternate directions by time of day.

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    With the new government is this still happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GranaryMan View Post
    Why expand to only 6 lanes. Wouldn’t that JUST put the road back to capacity? Why not go 8 lanes to take into account future growth so they don’t need to expand for another 10 years?
    Majority of the existing SW Henday structure (specifically the concrete sections) just require building a new shoulder lane. The existing outer shoulder width is one standard lane width wide.
    The inside shoulder lane is narrower and requires much more grading (Also the concrete sections will have challenges to accommodate an extra lane on inside...either they remove concrete or add to it..neither are really good options)

    Building to 6 lane is much cheaper than the full build out in that sense.

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    Actually for the most part the lower grade is already there for a lane inside and out. Notice how shallow the slope on the ditches are.
    Bridges will of course be more expensive, Wedgewood Ravine, Whitemud will require widening the abutments, building more piers then adding the deck.
    The river bridge will be those most expensive part even though yet piers are there for 4 lanes each way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    With the new government is this still happening?
    Wondering the same thing myself since I am a regular Henday user.

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    Tender closing date keeps getting pushed. Also all new contracts government wide are subject to a "necessity review".

    Hope this one doesn't get cut in the name of budget control....UCP's single Edmonton riding is benefiting from this project...

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    And hopefully a new Provincial Park bordered by this crossing.

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    Future unclear for plans to expand congested Edmonton freeway

    It was almost exactly one year ago. The NDP government’s transportation minister stood in front of an Alberta Government backdrop, behind an Alberta Government podium, to announce an expansion of the notoriously-clogged southwest Anthony Henday Drive.

    In the 367 days since then, much has changed.

    The UCP is now in power, and promising to get a little stingier when it comes to spending taxpayers’ dollars.
    Part of that promise is a review of planned infrastructure projects, including the southwest Henday expansion.
    "It’s an important project. I’d like to see it go ahead," said Transportation Minister Ric McIver in a phone call to CTV News Edmonton. "It’s amongst a whole bunch of other important projects that I’d like to see ahead, and that’s why we have the vetting process."
    Part of the that process is the work being done the by MacKinnon Panel. It was appointed last month to advise the provincial government on cutting spending and balancing the budget. It’s chaired by Janice MacKinnon, a former Saskatchewan finance minister.
    The panel is expected to report to the province by Aug. 15.
    "I’m anxious to make it official, one way or another, what we’re doing," said McIver.
    The southwest Henday was designed for 40,000 vehicles per day, but as of last year, twice that many cars, trucks and SUVs hit the stretch of pavement on a typical day.
    When the initial announcement was made on June 13, 2018, the province said design work was underway, and construction was expected to take three years.
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    Perhaps MacIver should travel AHD westbound on the stretch between Calgary Trail to 111th St. at around 16:30 on weekdays.

    The convergence of northbound Hwy.2 and Calgary Trail southbound's traffic linking across to 111th, added to AHD's westbound through traffic is a daily snarl-up with tailbacks on all three of those routes.

    No doubt there are other notorious spots as well.
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    Well, SURPRISE SURPRISE! We return to another Calgary-centric government, and Edmonton is back to getting shafted. If the UCP wants to reduce spending on non-essential infrastructure, why don't they start with the grossly overdesigned and soon to be overbuilt SW Calgary ring road. Maybe 5 lanes in each direction through the middle of nowhere is bit "excessive" and unnecessary!

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    I can see him pulling the funding for this and turning around and turning the existing henday as a toll regulated highway system. The grand F u for all the supporters out here.

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    The Henday is also a provincial highway.
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    Sounds like there are bids going out on this portion of the Henday. The company I work for is putting in a bid for a portion of the overall project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lobbdogg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brody View Post
    Not sure if any information is out there regarding the 17Street interchange in the South East section. Looks like they are setting up to widen the overpass.
    Really hope thats not what it is. That overpass doesn't see hardly any traffic compared to many others, especially in the SW, that could use some love first.
    As part of the P3 contract, 17th street is required to be 4 laned eventually. I think the contractor sees good prices right now in this economy started this piece of the project

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    Not being twinned....retaining wall work.....

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    Btw, grim news....buddy who works for AB roads department says they are indeed adding a 3rd lane - BUT from only Cgy Trail to Blackmud ravine....plus NO 3rd lane over the River or any other water crossing.....so only a half *** 3rd lane...NO eta on work starting.....

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    To basically where that pedestrian underpass is where the cops sit all the time with photo radar.

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    This was posted over on SSP today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver Klozov View Post
    CLOSING DATE: Jul 3rd, 2019 02:01:00 PM Alberta TimeIssuer: Alberta Transportation
    TND0019618 Grade Widening, Granular Base Course, Asphalt Concrete Pavement, Cold Milling, PCC Pavement, Illumination, Bridge Deck Upgrading and Other Work


    Grade Widening, Granular Base Course, Asphalt Concrete Pavement, Cold Milling, PCC Pavement, Illumination, Bridge Deck Upgrading and Other Work
    216:06, Gateway Boulevard to North of Whitemud Drive
    B.F. 85008-S, Provincial Highway 216 (Anthony Henday Drive) over Whitemud Drive at Edmonton
    B.F. 85008-N, Provincial Highway 216 (Anthony Henday Drive) over Whitemud Drive at Edmonton
    B.F. 85012-S, Wedgewood Creek Bridge on Highway 216, (Anthony Henday Drive)


    **UNOFFICIAL RESULTS**
    Carmacks Enterprises $104,518,287.65
    PCL Construction Management Inc. $109,981,661.56
    ALBERCO CONSTRUCTION LTD. $118,528,812.23

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Not being twinned....retaining wall work.....
    The bridge is being twinned.


    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Btw, grim news....buddy who works for AB roads department says they are indeed adding a 3rd lane - BUT from only Cgy Trail to Blackmud ravine....plus NO 3rd lane over the River or any other water crossing.....so only a half *** 3rd lane...NO eta on work starting.....
    who's your buddy? They are feeding you the wrong information.

    The tender just closed yesterday.

    The project is public information. 2022 completion date. 6 lanes from Gateway to Whitemud.
    New northbound and southbound bridge at Whitemud. Bridge expansion at Wedgewood and N.Sask River.

    Expect work to start later this year.

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    "Who's my buddy?" Who's your buddy? True - I can see that the tender closed but show where it show bridge expansions? Do you have a copy of said tender?

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    Looks to me like they're putting in a central pier between the AHD lanes. This is more than retaining wall work. That SE corner of the city is going to start growing sooner or later, might as well get the roads to service it in now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    "Who's my buddy?" Who's your buddy? True - I can see that the tender closed but show where it show bridge expansions? Do you have a copy of said tender?
    again public information:


    Last edited by B.ike; 04-07-2019 at 12:29 PM.

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    Once the tender is awarded the UCP will come back and say there is no budget for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalancedOP View Post
    Once the tender is awarded the UCP will come back and say there is no budget for it.
    You were saying...?
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    Notice how there isn't a ton of details in this so-called widening? Anyway, my guy who works on this project laughed at me when I said "all of my C2E buddies are convinced that this meagre 100M widening will include new bridge crossings!" He fell off his chair laughing so hard due to the fact that 100M won't even cover an extra lane each way just on the river crossing. Says don't expect much for 100M, yeah - 6 lanes BUT NO NEW bridge crossing lanes anywhere on this expansion....so a ton of merging in and out from 4 to 6 lanes and back to 4 lanes when crossing.......

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    Has anyone found detailed plans anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Notice how there isn't a ton of details in this so-called widening? Anyway, my guy who works on this project laughed at me when I said "all of my C2E buddies are convinced that this meagre 100M widening will include new bridge crossings!" He fell off his chair laughing so hard due to the fact that 100M won't even cover an extra lane each way just on the river crossing. Says don't expect much for 100M, yeah - 6 lanes BUT NO NEW bridge crossing lanes anywhere on this expansion....so a ton of merging in and out from 4 to 6 lanes and back to 4 lanes when crossing.......
    And it’s the current bottle necks that cause the backups. No great need for added lanes along the whole length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Notice how there isn't a ton of details in this so-called widening? Anyway, my guy who works on this project laughed at me when I said "all of my C2E buddies are convinced that this meagre 100M widening will include new bridge crossings!" He fell off his chair laughing so hard due to the fact that 100M won't even cover an extra lane each way just on the river crossing. Says don't expect much for 100M, yeah - 6 lanes BUT NO NEW bridge crossing lanes anywhere on this expansion....so a ton of merging in and out from 4 to 6 lanes and back to 4 lanes when crossing.......
    Your "guy" is clearly not a reliable source.

    The project will include the widening of 32.6 lane km (two north and south bound lanes) of existing pavement and Portland Cement Concrete portions between Gateway Boulevard at the south end and Whitemud Drive at the north end. Also included in the contract is the widening of five major bridge structures and the construction of one new bridge, the design and construction of a noise wall and the construction of ten field approaches along Hwy 216:02 and Hwy 216:08.
    http://carmacksent.com/carmacks-ente...nday-widening/
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    All that for only $100m? Are they using slave labour?

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    Alberta government project vs COE buffoons...

    If this is true, can we get this contractor to do the Terwilliger ?
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    He says otherwise...frankly I could care less....but one would have to be pretty naive to think this can be done for 100M.......

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    https://majorprojects.alberta.ca/det...-Widening/3682

    Looks like the website hasn't been updated yet, still showing "Proposed"

    https://www.alberta.ca/edmonton-ring-road.aspx is a little more contemporaneous.

    And https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...5E7FA225D89008 is the official announcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    Notice how there isn't a ton of details in this so-called widening? Anyway, my guy who works on this project laughed at me when I said "all of my C2E buddies are convinced that this meagre 100M widening will include new bridge crossings!" He fell off his chair laughing so hard due to the fact that 100M won't even cover an extra lane each way just on the river crossing. Says don't expect much for 100M, yeah - 6 lanes BUT NO NEW bridge crossing lanes anywhere on this expansion....so a ton of merging in and out from 4 to 6 lanes and back to 4 lanes when crossing.......
    Didn’t McIssac say the bridges are already built for three lanes. All they will do is eliminate the shoulders to create an extra lane. Also if you hadn’t noticed the roadway is already built wider than two lanes and to add the third would just require paving and concrete work on existing unpaved roadbed already there. I’ve noticed it, take a look on google maps as well you can see that. Adding a lane to the left would not require any changes to off ramps etc.
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    The news articles have been pretty clear that for most of the widening, it's basically repainting the lane markers as the roadway has super wide shoulders. Most of the 100 million I would imagine is for widening or adding bridge structures. That seems reasonable to me given that they won't be adding piers or making it an "iconic" bridge.

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    Three years despite this?

    Must be the bridge deck expansion, right?

    For clarity the road has handled more traffic than it’s interim completion could handle. It sounds like it was “designed” to handle more. Which was and still is amazingly and rare foresight!

    Someone in the past sure deserves a lot of recognition, credit and an award for that design and construction work!!!!! Maybe even a statue!

    Southwest Anthony Henday Drive widening construction to begin this fall - Edmonton | Globalnews.ca
    By Karen Bartko
    Online Journalist Global News, September 5, 2019


    “The project is expected to take about three years to complete and be open to traffic in fall 2022.”
    ...

    “The existing Anthony Henday Drive overpasses and the bridge over the North Saskatchewan River were all built to accommodate more lanes of traffic.

    The wide outside shoulders of the road will be converted to new lanes in each direction, and the existing bridge deck will be expanded.

    For years, the road, which is a provincial roadway, has handled double the amount of traffic it was designed for.

    ...”

    https://globalnews.ca/news/5860779/s...-construction/
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    Sooo, $100,000,000.00 and three years to repaint lines???

    Sounds about right...
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    Stop being so obtuse. They can't just paint new lines. Each ditch needs to be re-graded so it has the correct slope off of the road and most of the shoulders would need to be added to in order to provide enough space for a vehicle to pull off the road in an emergency (or an emergency vehicle to pass a traffic jam). It's 21km of road that they need to re-shoulder, re-paint, expand bridge decks, pour concrete, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    Stop being so obtuse. They can't just paint new lines. Each ditch needs to be re-graded so it has the correct slope off of the road and most of the shoulders would need to be added to in order to provide enough space for a vehicle to pull off the road in an emergency (or an emergency vehicle to pass a traffic jam). It's 21km of road that they need to re-shoulder, re-paint, expand bridge decks, pour concrete, etc.
    Correct, it will be great once it's finished.
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